Canada- Sharif Rahman, owner of Curry House restaurant, assaulted by 3 men, suffered brain injury then died, Owen Sound, ON, 17 Aug. '23 *Arrests*

[rogue ant]

And for what...$150

Disgusting.

The only Canadian soil they deserve to ever see again in the jail's floor.

 

[musicaljoke]

I wasn’t able to edit my post above. The passports were valid, but the father and son used fake names.

“According to the Scottish court files, Evans Jr. and Sr. entered Canada as visitors in early June 2023, using valid U.K. passports with fake names — Michael and Justin Jones.

They didn't have work visas. But police say the Evans family spent the summer criss-crossing the province, operating a cash-only business called Total Paving.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/rahman-restaurant-killing-accused-photos-9.6933027

What is a valid UK passport with a fake name? Did the passports have fake names, or did they come here with valid passport and then create fake names?

 

[seasideForest]

And for what...$150

Yes, it's just ridiculous. Death was maybe not the intent, but rather to prevent being chased and caught. But hey, criminals, just don't steal! Pay what you owe for services, don't harm anybody, and the world would be fine.

 

[seasideForest]

Did the passports have fake names

This. As far as I understand it. The passports were issued under false names. I presume the UK Passport Authority didn't know this, so it would be a valid passport. There would be no indication in the departure airport in the UK (Manchester or London presumably) that there was a problem and no indication for the Canadian Border when the perps landed in Canada.

UK Passport Authority (or whatever it's called) needs to look into how UK passports can be issued under false names - what went wrong there? Close that hole. MOO. Too late for Sharif, RIP.

 

[dotr]

Oct 15, 2025

HUNTER: Who are nomadic scammers accused in Owen Sound restaurateur's slaying?

Three Irish 'travellers' accused of involvement in the violent death of an Owen Sound Curry House owner were in Canada to allegedly steal.

torontosun.com

'For scammers, Canada is a promised land bursting with bucks and negligible penalties.'

''There are the truck-driving drug carriers and LCBO thieves, Latin American break-in gangs, Roma distraction thieves and Irish “traveller” scams of all sorts.''

'According to a bombshell CBC News report and allegations in court documents, the three Irish “travellers” accused in the killing of beloved Owen Sound Curry House owner Sharif Rahman in August 2023 were allegedly in the country on a mission to steal. That allegedly included a meal at Rahman’s resto.'

''Instead, the Evanses allegedly scammed around Ontario using the old paving scheme as their financial funnel. The “traveller” community has employed the gimmick across Europe, Australia, the U.S. and Canada.''

 

[Cedars]

This. As far as I understand it. The passports were issued under false names. I presume the UK Passport Authority didn't know this, so it would be a valid passport. There would be no indication in the departure airport in the UK (Manchester or London presumably) that there was a problem and no indication for the Canadian Border when the perps landed in Canada.

UK Passport Authority (or whatever it's called) needs to look into how UK passports can be issued under false names - what went wrong there? Close that hole. MOO. Too late for Sharif, RIP.

Could be based on the stolen identities of people who have died, or people who sell their own expired passports for big bucks, and the forger applies to renew the passports with different photos.

Wherever there are rules, there are people determined to break them, IMO.

 

[seasideForest]

Wherever there are rules, there are people determined to break them, IMO.

Yes, of course. I have no idea if the UK passport authority can stop anything like this.

 

[Cryptic]

The suspects clothing WAS a legitimate clue: I've never heard of Irish Travelers until now, but they are a distinct culture.

Going down a trivia rabbit hole...

Though Irish Travelers (Scotland has / had indigenous travelers as well) are the most well known in the English speaking world, other European countries have, or perhaps had similar communities:

- Norway: Nomadic group of ethnic Norweigans also known as "Travelers" who lived aboard boats and sailed up and down the coast of Norway, and into neighboring nations. Spoke a dialect of that was a mixture of old tyme Norweigan mixed with Baltic and Slavic words.

- Germany and Germany speaking Europe: Nomadic group of German speaking, but non Gypsies known as 'Tinkerers". They used to have distinct settlements / "home bases" in German speaking Switzerland. Dialect was based on German Rhine dialect, which is evidently hard for many Germans to understand to begin with.

- Spain: Nomadic group of ethnic Spaniards known as "Metal Workers". They were concentrated in northern Spain as opposed to southern Spain. Evidently, 'Metal Workers' and ethnic Gypsies had unwritten rules about staying out of each others way.

 

[seasideForest]

Germany and Germany speaking Europe: Nomadic group of German speaking, but non Gypsies known as 'Tinkerers".

Referred to as 'Sinti' in Germany afaik, unless there's an additional group other than Roma. Where does 'Tinkerers' come from? From some Swiss German word, maybe? They may have spoken some form of cant, the way they did in Scotland. Words they used in certain ways with a hidden meaning.

Thanks for bringing this up, @Cryptic

The Scottish Travellers and Irish Travellers in Scotland used to be referred to as 'Tinkers' which is from the Gaelic word for 'tin-smith' but now it's considered pejorative and not used by the people themselves. I wouldn't use it either, the people themselves are allowed to say how they would like to be called. We had settled Traveller neighbours when I was growing up, and there were more nomadic Traveller children at school, who came and went, as their families followed the harvesting.
From wikipedia: (Irish: an lucht siúil, meaning the walking people), also known as Mincéirs (Shelta: Mincéirí) or Pavees. 'Pavee' is apparently from their own language, Shelta, and means 'Travellers', nothing to do with paving companies, just in case anybody wondered.

Irish Travellers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In this case, poor Sharif was (allegedly) killed by Irish Travellers, but the whole Irish Traveller community is not at fault and are not per se criminals. Travelling folk, who aren't settled in a community, tend to be treated with suspicion by a settled community. MOO

Edited for typos

 

[Cedars]

I was looking into how widespread the schemes are Actually the FBI has recently labelled this the "Travelling Conman Fraud", all the perps are Irish or UK citizens (and potentially Travellers, though that's not usually mentioned as perhaps being a form of racial profiling).

One Irish crime reporter has been studying it for years, it's all family-based organized crime, the kids start in it as early as 9 years old.

Explains the two older brothers and younger kids all working it together in this case in Ontario.

Perhaps because there's a whole new generation of conmen, it's exploding across Europe, Australia, Canada and the US.

https://www.wpri.com/target-12/how-to-avoid-falling-victim-to-contractor-fraud/