Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #5 **ARREST**

[Claroon]

let me reword my thought: there are a lot of other scenario's in which DM could be framed/set up. That's why i think saying 'this is the only ....' is a bold statement. JMO

that's all i'll say on it as i'm not convinced by the totality of the evidence that he was set up. JMO. It's hard to see DM not playing a crucial role in his murder.

calling it a night - hope the 'new info' from toronto star is more than just the condo thing... bye y'all!

IMO there are a number of scenarios and we really can't say there aren't factual leads because the leads we have are what have lead us to these ideas, although some imagination is required. IMO

I didn't get feed back on this thought: What if, IMO, he has a guy that wants him to escort him car shopping. So DM goes to the first guy and the second, in an orange shirt of all things, shows his tats, is a passenger, and then the guy testing the 2nd car drops DM off at the coffee shop (where they first met) - safe and sound. Then the other guy goes and does the killing. All of this is merely to frame him for some reason--not to get a car, etc.

In this scenario, he would not say anything to the police if indeed he did look at the car in an honest sort of way but doesn't want to incriminate himself. Thoughts? IMO

 

[wayout66]

The CBC articles have been edited to remove that reference so this MSN one is all I could find.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/missing-hamilton-man-tim-bosma-found-dead

"He confirmed his department provided security for a Hamilton police investigation on Roseville Road. That is the location of the Millard farm being searched by police. Earlier in the morning, police escorted a group of civilians to the back of the property. It's not clear who they are."

Possibly some of the Crown witnesses, I'd imagine.

 

[Sillybilly]

I think that the key word, on the link, was "generally" -- general reasons for stealing a vehicle. However, what crime could be committed that would require the use of a Dodge Ram diesel? The truck seemed, JMO, to be targeted because it was a matching vehicle for the red Dodge that they already had. They were using that truck for hauling, as shown in the pic where the black trailer is being hauled by it. I wonder if Tim's truck had a fifth wheel for hauling? Or were they seeking the parts from Tim's truck, specifically parts related to the drive train?

Maybe this truck was destined for a customization project?

Even if Tim's truck didn't have a 5th wheel, could it be installed. I'm wondering if perhaps they were wanting to expand their "fleet" (whether for future Baja trips, or for auto theft) .. just get another Dodge Ram and then find another trailer.

I thought it was said much earlier that Tim had a trailer that he would be selling. Anybody know what type that might have been?

 

[wayout66]

It is difficult to imagine looking at a gun barrel and shooting it in your eye. It is not difficult to imagine someone killing someone and having bad aim.

Besides it would be ackward holding a gun in front of your face.:moo:

A suicidal state of mind can make one do unreasonable and illogical things. It's very confusing and desperate, like standing over an abyss one feels they can't back away from. For those that succeed in the "deed" it was too late for them to see sense and find a way back.

 

[Sillybilly]

my brother lives in Brantford and told me today there is also a small municipal airport in brantford with hangers in an industrial area I asked him if he knew if thats where they found the phone and he wasnt sure, my first thought was wonder if he owns anything there or is familiar with it.

I posted sometime yesterday (I think??) a link to an article about Carl .. It mentioned that one aircraft was kept in storage at Brantford. No more detail was provided.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

how would you confirm a test drive?

DM's prints / DNA in the vehicle would be one way.

 

[newone]

IMO there are a number of scenarios and we really can't say there aren't factual leads because the leads we have are what have lead us to these ideas, although some imagination is required. IMO

I didn't get feed back on this thought: What if, IMO, he has a guy that wants him to escort him car shopping. So DM goes to the first guy and the second, in an orange shirt of all things, shows his tats, is a passenger, and then the guy testing the 2nd car drops DM off at the coffee shop (where they first met) - safe and sound. Then the other guy goes and does the killing. All of this is merely to frame him for some reason--not to get a car, etc.
In this scenario, he would not say anything to the police if indeed he did look at the car in an honest sort of way but doesn't want to incriminate himself. Thoughts? IMO

wondered the same thing -- he did not/does not want his personal life ''out there'' so that's why he's not talking

 

[ExiledRed]

So if DM wasn't from a wealthy well-known family do you all think he was "framed" or capable of murder? Seems to me that money is equating not guilty because DM could afford 100 Ram pick-ups. Murder isn't always about money, either.

DM has been charged with 1st degree murder by authorities who know a lot more than has been released and have backgrounds dealing with thugs, etc. There is no way, IMO, that DM is covering for someone else or other perps by remaining silent sitting in jail. Time will tell as more information becomes known. The theories are interesting to read but there are so few known facts behind them, IMO.

DM is pleading not guilty, therefore, from an impartial standpoint the possibility has to be investigated. I dont think he was framed, and I dont think he wasnt. I simply dont know.

I believe when someone is convicted of anything, it should be beyond reasonable doubt. I try not to be prejudiced by somebody's status, race or whatever.

I certainly do not think that rich people are less likely to commit murder, but DM's wealth has made it hard to establish motive.

I think that three people randomly killing someone and leaving witnesses is bizarre enough to be less plausible than a motive based killing.

I think the right questions need to be asked to get to the truth is all.

 

[Sillybilly]

It has been replaying in my mind that AM was cleared... yet everywhere seems to suggest the people of interest to LE are those in the close knit friend group of DM. Is it possible they have said he (or anyone) is cleared, but that they are just watching now and waiting for him to trip himself up???

Yes, it's possible. LE is legally allowed to lie to further an investigation.

 

[Karjinx]

I don't know how to post a link to an article ( totally inept with computers!)

Very interesting article I have just read. Go to thespec.com and see for yourself. Puts an interesting slant on the case!!!

You just copy the stuff in the little box at the top of your screen .... www.thespec............... Then paste it here in the reply or post box
Here it is, and it is an interesting read.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Someone posted this link a few pages back, hope it didn't get missed. A very interesting interview, to say the least. In it, it comes out that DM was previously charged with something but apparently wasn't convicted/didn't do any jail time....and it was at that time that his current lawyer had worked with him....then in apparently another matter where DM was perhaps a witness:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDhn6rOuBA"]Ross McLean, Crime Specialist Interview on Tim Bosma Murder - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ExiledRed]

That's odd, because police previously stated that DM wasn't known to them.

 

[Sillybilly]

Humans naturally protect the eyes... it is in our instinct to do so. Even when wanting to die, or injure ourselves, we do not put something into our eye. I worked psychiatry for years, with people who self harmed in horrible ways.... I never saw anyone do something to their eyes.
A gunshot to the eye tells me someone wanted him looking down the barrel of the gun while they shot him. JMO

That's my take as well nurse ... or possibly he turned his head just as someone walked up behind him and fired

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

That's odd, because police previously stated that DM wasn't known to them.

Maybe it was a civil matter and not criminal and therefore LE not involved? Just listen to the interview. The whole topic of DM's lawyer being asked about whether he'd had any past dealings w/ DM *and* whether DM had any past criminal history, it's alleged he answered the question like a politician and simply stated that DM had never served any jail time, something to that effect.

 

[wayout66]

That's odd, because police previously stated that DM wasn't known to them.

Yeah, I've noticed a few contradictions of what LE have told the media/public this past week. I just put it down to how difficult it is to keep tight-lipped about some of the details while at the same time trying to appease the public's need for something in the way of information.

 

[Sillybilly]

The official narrative doesn't include the profiling aspect of this case, as given by Mr. Van Allen. If the profile is correct, and this expert is one to believe, then there is even more reason to regard DM as a ringleader, one who can bring others to commit theft and even murder.

IIRC, Van Allen is retired from the BAU (kind of equivalent to the FBI profilers in the US). I'll try to drum up a recent article on him. I believe he's out here in BC now, so will see what I can find.

IMO .. guy's good

Sorry .. BAU = Behavioural Analysis Unit

 

[newone]

Thanks for the link from the Spectator

a bit snipped from that article

In the obituary, he refers to his dad as "Father": "For Father piloting wasn't just his job but his freedom … He was a man of vision. Yet To Be Realized."

He was a man of vision ((irony - gunshot wound to the eye))

yet to be realized ((''who you calling a loser now Dad?"))

sounds like a bit vitriolic - just taking the ''slant'' from profiler in the article that the profiler may be accurate about DM

further in the article it also states that CM indicated that grandson didn't seem to be interested in the business......

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Even if Tim's truck didn't have a 5th wheel, could it be installed. I'm wondering if perhaps they were wanting to expand their "fleet" (whether for future Baja trips, or for auto theft) .. just get another Dodge Ram and then find another trailer.

I thought it was said much earlier that Tim had a trailer that he would be selling. Anybody know what type that might have been?

Someone on here, several pages back (don't ask me which page) copied/pasted the content of TB's truck Ad and in that it stated something to the effect that he was selling the truck as he no longer needed it for pulling a travel trailer. Didn't specifically state 5th wheel, just travel trailer.

In the one photo in the media that shows TB's home in the background and memorial flowers shown in the foreground, you can see a white travel trailer off to the left of the house but: a) it doesn't show enough of it to determine if it's a 5th wheel trailer and b) it doesn't mean it belonged to TB; could be the trailer of a family member who's staying there at this time to support his wife.

 

[Sillybilly]

I was a bit off .. he's retired from the OPP Criminal Profiling Unit (BAU is RCMP). Just a quick summary:

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/jim-van-allen/21/650/617

 

[wayout66]

IIRC, Van Allen is retired from the BAU (kind of equivalent to the FBI profilers in the US). I'll try to drum up a recent article on him. I believe he's out here in BC now, so will see what I can find.

IMO .. guy's good

Sorry .. BAU = Behavioural Analysis Unit

Scary, sounds very dissociative, an indicator that he can lie without any indication to the outside world what he's really capable of (IMO).

I am so confused right now, part of me thinks DM is being framed, but then I also feel suspicious that he is an expert liar and is fooling those of us who give people benefit of the doubt, at least until all of the evidence is revealed.