Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, husband arrested for abuse, Oct 2017 #3

[Satchie]

I think she and her U.S. mother planned his arrest in order to get full custody of the children. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/caitlan-coleman-joshua-boyle-custody-battle-1.4811965

The link you've provided has nothing whatever to do with Boyle's arrest. All the salacious details of their time in captivity are irrelevant to the Canadian court case, which relates exclusively to actions alleged by the crown to have taken place in Canada in the weeks prior to Boyle's arrest.

Josh Boyle himself called 911 the night Caitlan left, to state his wife was suicidal and missing. As a result of that call, police searched for, found, and interviewed Caitlin. They also interviewed Boyle, and decided to arrest him based on strong evidence of abuse from his own words and actions. The police investigation was reviewed by prosecutors, who agreed that he should be taken to court and charged with numerous counts of assault. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-march-26-2019-1.5071736

Evidently, you believe Ottawa police and the Ontario prosecutors service are a bunch of idiots who are putty in the hands of two women. I challenge you to go to police and make false allegations about someone, and then see whether police and the justice system are stupid enough to believe you and file a serious court case against this innocent person you intend to destroy. Good luck with that.

 

[MyBelle]

There is no basis for this suspicion. CC had a legal and legitimate right to return to her home country with the children (and undoubtedly needed her family's support and help after all she'd endured.) The criminal court judge did not say he didn't believe her, but that the evidence before him did not meet a criminal standard of proof, in his opinion. In view of the pending criminal case, the family court judge was limited to a temporary custody order.

Yes, the criminal court judge DID SAY he did not believe her testimony.

“I do not believe her, just as I do not believe Mr Boyle,” said Doody, arguing that the prosecution failed to present a case that was beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ex-Taliban hostage cleared of all charges in sexual assault trial

 

[MyBelle]

The link you've provided has nothing whatever to do with Boyle's arrest. All the salacious details of their time in captivity are irrelevant to the Canadian court case, which relates exclusively to actions alleged by the crown to have taken place in Canada in the weeks prior to Boyle's arrest.

Josh Boyle himself called 911 the night Caitlan left, to state his wife was suicidal and missing. As a result of that call, police searched for, found, and interviewed Caitlin. They also interviewed Boyle, and decided to arrest him based on strong evidence of abuse from his own words and actions. The police investigation was reviewed by prosecutors, who agreed that he should be taken to court and charged with numerous counts of assault. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-trial-march-26-2019-1.5071736

Evidently, you believe Ottawa police and the Ontario prosecutors service are a bunch of idiots who are putty in the hands of two women. I challenge you to go to police and make false allegations about someone, and then see whether police and the justice system are stupid enough to believe you and file a serious court case against this innocent person you intend to destroy. Good luck with that.

I find it incredible that Boyle was arrested at all. The Judge didn't call them idiots but he may have been thinking it. I believe they over-reacted due to the notoriety of Boyle. The prosecution didn't meet their burden according to the Judge because apparently all they had was her testimony and Boyle's and the Judge didn't believe either of them.

I'm in the U.S. and if my spouse calls LE to say I'm missing and suicidal, they will take it seriously. They'll track me down, make sure I'm safe and will notify my spouse. That's it. They aren't going to return and interrogate my spouse and arrest him because they don't like his answers.

In the U.S., people are prosecuted for filing false police reports.

JMO

 

[Satchie]

I find it incredible that Boyle was arrested at all. The Judge didn't call them idiots but he may have been thinking it. I believe they over-reacted due to the notoriety of Boyle. The prosecution didn't meet their burden according to the Judge because apparently all they had was her testimony and Boyle's and the Judge didn't believe either of them.

I'm in the U.S. and if my spouse calls LE to say I'm missing and suicidal, they will take it seriously. They'll track me down, make sure I'm safe and will notify my spouse. That's it. They aren't going to return and interrogate my spouse and arrest him because they don't like his answers.

In the U.S., people are prosecuted for filing false police reports.

JMO

Josh Boyle was charged with public mischief for making a nuisance 911 call, that his wife was suicidal.

"Over-reacting to his notoriety"? How exactly does that work in the real world of police and justice systems, can you cite any examples?. For example was the arrest and charges of murder against OJ Simpson an 'over-reaction to his notoriety'?

If Ottawa police and Ontario prosecutors are so susceptible to this 'over-reaction to notarity', why are no other notorious husbands facing charges after their wives have left them? Why aren't police constantly intervening in the simple domestic disputes of notorious hockey players, politicians, businessment, etc?

 

[MyBelle]

Josh Boyle was charged with public mischief for making a nuisance 911 call, that his wife was suicidal.

"Over-reacting to his notoriety"? How exactly does that work in the real world of police and justice systems, can you cite any examples?. For example was the arrest and charges of murder against OJ Simpson an 'over-reaction to his notoriety'?

If Ottawa police and Ontario prosecutors are so susceptible to this 'over-reaction to notarity', why are no other notorious husbands facing charges after their wives have left them? Why aren't police constantly intervening in the simple domestic disputes of notorious hockey players, politicians, businessment, etc?

Boyle was charged with 19 charges and apparently every single charge was based on his wife's allegations. There was actual evidence against OJ Simpson, including a documented history of domestic violence, so please stop comparing the two cases.

The Canadian Judge has thrown all of it out because he concluded the burden of proof wasn't met. You'll have to direct your questions to him. In the U.S., police aren't constantly intervening in "simple domestic violence disputes" because here, real evidence is required beyond the words of the accuser. Evidence such as photos, witnesses, police reports is necessary. Our system of justice isn't perfect, but I do believe I prefer it over Canada.

JMO

Joshua Boyle, who returned to Canada with his American wife and three children following their release, faced 19 charges in connection with incidents alleged to have happened since the family's return in 2017, including charges of assault, sexual assault, uttering a death threat, and criminal harassment brought by his wife, Caitlan Coleman.
He has denied the allegations.

Joshua Boyle verdict: Charges dropped against freed Taliban hostage - CNN

 

[Intermezzo]

I used the word abscond because that is what the mother did. She didn't have the father's permission to take the children to another country. I think she and her U.S. mother planned his arrest in order to get full custody of the children. The family court judge was Canadian and she only granted temporary custody. I think because the criminal court judge didn't believe the mother's testimony about abuse, she's likely to lose full custody.

JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/caitlan-coleman-joshua-boyle-custody-battle-1.4811965

I respect the differing positions and point of view that each member brings to any forum on Websleuths and that we can debate our differing viewpoints.

I disagree with your position that she absconded with the children because she did not get permission from the father.
Did she legally need his permission?
My disagreement is based not only on the legal definition of the word abscond but by the decision of the Family Law Court Judge in July of 2018.

From the link above
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/caitlan-coleman-joshua-boyle-custody-battle-1.4811965

"Based on all of the evidence before me, I can find little to suggest [Coleman] would not be a suitable temporary custodian of the children," reads the Engelking's decision.

She granted Coleman interim sole custody and the right to move to Pennsylvania with the children to receive support from her family.

"Under the exceptional circumstances of this case, requiring [Coleman] and the children to remain in Ottawa would be akin to once again holding them captive," wrote Engelking.


Regardless of my feelings or thoughts, if I agree or disagree, I abide by the decision of the judges in the Family law court case and the judge in the Criminal court case.
I believe Josh's team of lawyers were ready to submit filings with Family Court right after the criminal charges were dismissed. And for all we know he may have gained access to the children since the criminal case ended.

 

[MyBelle]

I respect the differing positions and point of view that each member brings to any forum on Websleuths and that we can debate our differing viewpoints.

I disagree with your position that she absconded with the children because she did not get permission from the father.
Did she legally need his permission?
My disagreement is based not only on the legal definition of the word abscond but by the decision of the Family Law Court Judge in July of 2018.

From the link above
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/caitlan-coleman-joshua-boyle-custody-battle-1.4811965

"Based on all of the evidence before me, I can find little to suggest [Coleman] would not be a suitable temporary custodian of the children," reads the Engelking's decision.

She granted Coleman interim sole custody and the right to move to Pennsylvania with the children to receive support from her family.

"Under the exceptional circumstances of this case, requiring [Coleman] and the children to remain in Ottawa would be akin to once again holding them captive," wrote Engelking.


Regardless of my feelings or thoughts, if I agree or disagree, I abide by the decision of the judges in the Family law court case and the judge in the Criminal court case.
I believe Josh's team of lawyers were ready to submit filings with Family Court right after the criminal charges were dismissed. And for all we know he may have gained access to the children since the criminal case ended.

Very true. But, parents who abscond to foreign countries with their children--and without the other parent's permission--are considered parental kidnappers, according to the Parental Kidnapping Act. The family court judge's decision was while the criminal case was ongoing. I don't know at what point Coleman took the children to the U.S. but the judge did give permission but also noted it was temporary.

It has been my opinion from the start of this case that the mother was trying to manipulate child custody to U.S. jurisdiction. I think both parents and the children should undergo extensive psychiatric evaluation. If ever there was a case that screamed, "family counseling," this one is it.

JMO

International Parental Kidnapping

Federal law prohibits a parent from removing a child from the United States or retaining a child in another country with intent to obstruct another parent´s custodial rights. This crime is known as international parental kidnapping.

International Parental Kidnapping

 

[Satchie]

The judge said the evidence was largely circumstantial and that prosecutors ultimately did not prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

"The only thing that trial did was raise reasonable doubt in my mind about whether or not he was the perpetrator or not.”
- Juror in OJ Simpson trial.
What OJ Simpson juror thinks of Simpson now, two decades after criminal trial

 

[nuff]

International Parental Kidnapping

Federal law prohibits a parent from removing a child from the United States or retaining a child in another country with intent to obstruct another parent´s custodial rights. This crime is known as international parental kidnapping.

International Parental Kidnapping

You're citing US Federal law for a custody case that was determined in a Canadian court - it's irrelevant. Worth noting though that CC did not remove her children from the US, nor has she retained them in another country.

 

[lucy_lou]

Have you read about dancing boys in Afghanistan? Why would you continue to have children while in captivity knowing that could be their future.

Afghan dancing boys sexually abused

 

[lucy_lou]

Major redpill/MGTOW vibes right now. Reddit is that way —->

I never saw one post on Reddit that supported Joshua Boyle though. This is the only place I have seen Boyle supporters.

 

[Stunned]

So where is this family now?