Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, Oct 2017 #1

[bears10]

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I think they are mistaken in that they seem to believe the CIA is in cahoots or controlling JB and CCs narrative, which I respectfully disagree with. I actually lean more towards the US govt agencies side eying JB and keeping him on their radar. Maybe that’s just me projecting though. But I’m a NY and NJ girl, so terrorism is a sensitive topic for me after losing loved ones on 9/11. I don’t trust JB at all, and I have to put my faith in our government to keep an eye on a man (who is married to a US citizen) that raises so many red flags.

 

[Fire Dragon]

They aren't Americans. This is a global issue. This is a glimpse of what's being said in-country. It's about what their national perspective is, what they think about it.

 

[bears10]

They aren't Americans. This is a global issue. This is a glimpse of what's being said in-country. It's about what their national perspective is, what they think about it.

I’m aware they aren’t Americans. Which is why I think they are mistaken in thinking the CIA is controlling JBs narrative, since JB is not even a US citizen.

ETA - they may be generalizing western politics and government the same way some westerners generalize life in the Middle East.

 

[Elainera]

We need a link for the screen shot...sorry to bug you, but it’s a GREAT find!! These commenters are not buying it. Of course they’re blaming CC’s story on the CIA! The sticking point/red flag for them is CC saying that JB knew where they were because he understood Farsi (Dari) but these commenters say Haqqani speak Pashtun. That language is not the same as Dari. According to the article I posted earlier....

Pashto, on the other hand, is a different language than Dari or Farsi. Speakers of Pashto and Dari may not understand each other unless they are exposed to it. However, they share the same alphabet, some words, geography and culture. Pashto and Dari both use the Arabic alphabet which consists of 28 letters. Dari has added 4 letters of its own to the Arabic alphabet making its alphabet 32 letters and Pashto has added 12 letters to the Arabic alphabet making its alphabet 40 letters.
Since Pashto and Dari are spoken in the same geographical region, the speakers of one language are very often exposed to the other language. Most major cities in Afghanistan host both Pashto and Dari native speakers. Most Pashto native speakers in these cities speak Dari as a second language, but very few Dari native speakers may speak Pashto as their second language. Education is provided to kids in their native language and they start studying Pashto or Dari as second language in the 4th grade.
Underlined by me

It may be that these Haqqani also know Dari, but it seems unlikely they would speak it in front of JB and it’s unlikely he would also know Pashtun. The only thing JB may have understood are place names if they are similar in both languages, as they are in other foreign languages. So CC could be correct in a way. But I’m not sure he could have enough familiarity with place names to recognize them. Hard to say.

http://dlsdc.com/blog/pashto-dari-and-farsi-one-language-or-three/

It might be that Josh was able to understand some of what the Haqqani were talking about because he speaks Farsi - not because they spoke Farsi. These two languages (Parsi and Pashto) share some words and letters, making it probably not impossible to catch the drift when he listened closely, especially after spending some time exposed to the language.

I had this experience with Dutch. I grew up in Germany, close to the Dutch border. The two languages are different but share many similarities. When I listen carefully I can understand what a Dutch speaker is talking about, even if I don't get all the details right.

So I'm thinking this is maybe what CC meant. Josh might not have understood all that was said but because of his Farsi background got a good idea what they were talking about, especially when they mentioned place names. jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

They aren't Americans. This is a global issue. This is a glimpse of what's being said in-country. It's about what their national perspective is, what they think about it.

But how do we know where they are? The twitter account and commenters could be anywhere. And even if they are located where they say we have no idea how honest they're being. Read the comments on any news article and most are from people who seem clueless or say things just to antagonize others. The "Voice of Jihad" news site attached to the twitter account is not MSM in any country.

 

[bears10]

I’m really struggling with JB and CCs narrative after CC gave her interview.

So now that CC said that she first gave birth to their oldest son early in captivity, the baby she was pregnant with when they made the decision to go to Afghanistan, and the “forced abortion” was in fact her second pregnancy, things make even less sense to me. I can’t imagine a logical reason to try for another baby if your captors supposedly put estrogen in your food to kill your unborn baby. For some reason it really stands out to me that their captors had no problem with the first baby, but then supposedly murdered the second one, and JB and CC thought it was a good idea to try for more kids??? Ok so they claimed they hid the pregnancy. She was able to hide morning sickness if she suffered from it. She was able to give birth to TWO babies, seemingly physically healthy, with NO prenatal care??? If they were the prisoners JB made them out to be, I can’t imagine CC getting enough nutrients for both herself and a fetus growing inside her.

Obviously JBs lifetime movie network storyline of living in a dirt hole for 5 years isn’t the same story CC portrayed. I mean according to CC they had a house built for them (and seemingly their captors, I am guessing), they lived with a nice man name Mahmoud, they had a bedrooms, nicknames for all of their residences, etc...

So since they kept two pregnancies a secret from the Haqqani captors, it’s pretty remarkable to me that they were able to give birth to two healthy children given the supposed circumstances. JB is an everyday doogie houser... delivering twl babies by flashlight. How did he cut the umbilical cord... with the one piece of slate they had over five years which allowed them to homeschool their children?

 

[Datchery]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the Pashto/Farsi issue. Even if the Pakistani posters on the other site are right to scoff at the idea that knowledge of one would help in communicating with the other, it is possible that the mistake was CC's, who AFAIK doesn't speak either language. Farsi is a language many Americans have at least heard of; Pashto is far more obscure, I would guess. So, it is plausible to me that she might think they were all speaking "Farsi." Or it could even be an error on the part of the reporter; at least in the Guardian article I read, that isn't a direct quote from CC.

What I'm more skeptical of is the picture of their four year old prodigy who has mastered all of elementary school math and knows some Latin. All without textbooks or any other supplies. Not that there's anything particularly unusual or sinister about parents' exaggerating about their children's abilities!

 

[FightTheOstrich]

The more these two talk - the more suspicious I become.

 

[Lilibet]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the Pashto/Farsi issue. Even if the Pakistani posters on the other site are right to scoff at the idea that knowledge of one would help in communicating with the other, it is possible that the mistake was CC's, who AFAIK doesn't speak either language. Farsi is a language many Americans have at least heard of; Pashto is far more obscure, I would guess. So, it is plausible to me that she might think they were all speaking "Farsi." Or it could even be an error on the part of the reporter; at least in the Guardian article I read, that isn't a direct quote from CC.

What I'm more skeptical of is the picture of their four year old prodigy who has mastered all of elementary school math and knows some Latin. All without textbooks or any other supplies. Not that there's anything particularly unusual or sinister about parents' exaggerating about their children's abilities!

BBM

Yes, and CC only knows what she was told by JB about their language and what he understood, so I take what she says with a grain of salt. He could tell her anything about the language or even about where they were located, and she would have no way of knowing.

 

[Bellbaby]

JB just released another statement

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

 

[FightTheOstrich]

JB just released another statement

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

His arrogance just astounds me.

 

[bears10]

JB just released another statement

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

“Jonah's adjustments have been incredible, proving just how resilient children can be under the most dire and dangerous of circumstances; he's gone from complaining about the captain "Abdurahman"**beating him with a stick in 2015 because he cries too much, to complaining that he doesn't think Tim Hortons should be allowed to put plain timbits in his box.

*Really???? Stop. This is absurd. I grew up in a first world country, never beaten with a stick, and wouldn’t complain about doughnuts. Does he really think people are buying what he’s selling?*

But that's at least progress in the right direction, and God-willing, he'll continue to improve.

*There’s that “god willing” again. Cue eye roll 🙄 *

We can certainly understand that many people do not understand what we were doing in Afghanistan, but the simple truth is that no pious Muslim and no pious Christian and no pious Jew has actually questioned our actions at all. We were raised in, live in and remain in different paradigms than those questioning us*are in.
To those who strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is possible. Unfortunately, it's really that simple.”

*Well, JB, I’m a devout catholic and I have no MF idea what you were doing there. I’m questioning your actions hardcore. I’m questioning you being such a servant of God, when you openly discuss your child being beaten with a stick, yet make a conscious decision to bring MORE children into such a situation. You are openly admitting you knew your child was being abused yet decided to bring more children into the world to face the same fate as your oldest. What kind of father and man of god are you? If I were your kids, I would never forgive my parents for being so selfish and narcissistic.*

 

[Bellbaby]

I agree. I'm all for religious expression and freedom. I enjoy exploring religions and I specifically expose my children to different religions.

But the way he speaks, if your not for/with him, your against him and below him and worthless. It's just something else.

 

[Bellbaby]

And another thing, just because he is better at using a dictionary and thesaurus then the rest of us, again he seems to think he's above others.

I'm putting myself on a forum five minute time out, at least....Because I know I'm running off topic and the guy is just annoying me.

 

[bears10]

I get more and more furious with each stupid publicity stunt statement he releases.

For the record, I do not believe they lived the tough captive life JB claims. I think his stories are extremely exaggerated, if not blatant fantasies. So my replies are more so at the fact that he is so arrogant to think people believe his stories, which are less than flattering. If the stories he tells are true, it makes him look terrible. He thinks he’s bragging about his family’s resilience, but he is just making himself look like a terrible “patriarch”.

 

[LietKynes]

“Jonah's adjustments have been incredible, proving just how resilient children can be under the most dire and dangerous of circumstances; he's gone from complaining about the captain "Abdurahman"**beating him with a stick in 2015 because he cries too much, to complaining that he doesn't think Tim Hortons should be allowed to put plain timbits in his box.

*Really???? Stop. This is absurd. I grew up in a first world country, never beaten with a stick, and wouldn’t complain about doughnuts. Does he really think people are buying what he’s selling?*

But that's at least progress in the right direction, and God-willing, he'll continue to improve.

*There’s that “god willing” again. Cue eye roll �� *

We can certainly understand that many people do not understand what we were doing in Afghanistan, but the simple truth is that no pious Muslim and no pious Christian and no pious Jew has actually questioned our actions at all. We were raised in, live in and remain in different paradigms than those questioning us*are in.
To those who strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is possible. Unfortunately, it's really that simple.”

*Well, JB, I’m a devout catholic and I have no MF idea what you were doing there. I’m questioning your actions hardcore. I’m questioning you being such a servant of God, when you openly discuss your child being beaten with a stick, yet make a conscious decision to bring MORE children into such a situation. You are openly admitting you knew your child was being abused yet decided to bring more children into the world to face the same fate as your oldest. What kind of father and man of god are you? If I were your kids, I would never forgive my parents for being so selfish and narcissistic.*

RSBM

The more I read about this... the more confusing it becomes.
None of it makes sense-- and it's doubtful anyone will ever know the truth.
Won't happen-- but it'd be interesting to speak to the oldest child without his parents there with him. Who knows what he'd say ?
:moo:

 

[Hiandmighty]

JB just released another statement

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

He's a psychopath. MOO

 

[bears10]

And another thing, just because he is better at using a dictionary and thesaurus then the rest of us, again he seems to think he's above others.

I'm putting myself on a forum five minute time out, at least....Because I know I'm running off topic and the guy is just annoying me.

That’s a narcissistic tactic IMO. Use big words to intimidate people. Well I think his big words and grandiose stories about their rise up during Taliban captivity are absurd.

Didn’t his family make a statement a few days ago, basically trying to do damage control? Saying please don’t judge them they have been thru a lot and are still adjusting? (Major paraphrasing on my part). It’s funny because JB and even CC have been giving more and more statements to MSM. I’m also side eyeing his family. Not just because they supported JB marrying someone with ties to terrorism and osama bin laden (aka she’s prob a terrorist), but now they are living under the parents roof and nothing is changing. JB is still giving his weird interviews and giving the public reason to side eye him.

 

[LietKynes]

And another thing, just because he is better at using a dictionary and thesaurus then the rest of us, again he seems to think he's above others.

I'm putting myself on a forum five minute time out, at least....Because I know I'm running off topic and the guy is just annoying me.

SABBM

You're not the only one !

Trying to think of whom he reminds me of... and the results aren't flattering. And I'll leave it at that.

Esp. sorry for those children.
:moo:

 

[LietKynes]

That’s a narcissistic tactic IMO. Use big words to intimidate people. Well I think his big words and grandiose stories about their rise up during Taliban captivity are absurd.

Didn’t his family make a statement a few days ago, basically trying to do damage control? Saying please don’t judge them they have been thru a lot and are still adjusting? (Major paraphrasing on my part). It’s funny because JB and even CC have been giving more and more statements to MSM. I’m also side eyeing his family. Not just because they supported JB marrying someone with ties to terrorism and osama bin laden (aka she’s prob a terrorist), but now they are living under the parents roof and nothing is changing. JB is still giving his weird interviews and giving the public reason to side eye him.

RSBM BBM

IF JB feels anyone is judging him (and I don't think he'd care) , he could just stay quiet and help his wife and family adjust.
Keep his mouth shut and concentrate on caring for his family !
No more 'interviews'.

Remember that quote ... "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool...than open your mouth and remove all doubt..." ?
Paraphrased -- but whenever the press has a new statement or interview from JB..... Hmmmmm....

:moo: