Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[LiveLaughLuv]

Since Baez is not fighting those jailhouse letters and seems some who have read them are saying the Anthonys may not want to read them since she does alot of bashing about them. I wonder if Baez is allowing this to show the discord between Inmate Anthony and her parents. Would he try to use this as a mitigating factor in why Inmate Anthony was frightened to tell them what happened with/to Caylee? During her inital interview she told the detectives how frightened she is of CA, how CA already told her she'd never forgive her if something happened to Caylee. So these letters may give Baez a new defense strategy, blame the parents...JMHO :waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

Since Baez is not fighting those jailhouse letters and seems some who have read them are saying the Anthonys may not want to read them since she does alot of bashing about them. I wonder if Baez is allowing this to show the discord between Inmate Anthony and her parents. Would he try to use this as a mitigating factor in why Inmate Anthony was frightened to tell them what happened with/to Caylee? During her inital interview she told the detectives how frightened she is of CA, how CA already told her she'd never forgive her if something happened to Caylee. So these letters may give Baez a new defense strategy, blame the parents...JMHO :waitasec:

Yes, I am scratching my head over Baez's easy release and agree it may very well fit into his defense plan.

BUT - I think it will take a way more than Casey's "word" she was afraid of Cindy, because all behavior points to Casey running that household and having no respect at all for Cindy and even less for George. Don't see how that theory will fly.

And if she is claiming an accident - how does she explain the duct tape? So the bugs couldn't get in her when she tossed that back. Sorry to be so graphic, but if that was the case, why not tape her eyes also.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Yes, I am scratching my head over Baez's easy release and agree it may very well fit into his defense plan.

BUT - I think it will take a way more than Casey's "word" she was afraid of Cindy, because all behavior points to Casey running that household and having no respect at all for Cindy and even less for George. Don't see how that theory will fly.

And if she is claiming an accident - how does she explain the duct tape? So the bugs couldn't get in her when she tossed that back. Sorry to be so graphic, but if that was the case, why not tape her eyes also.

There is no way to explain away the placing of the duct tape, IMO, other than to go for the PPD defense or bipolar defense...the problem is Inmate Anthony will never admit to any part, I'm positive Baez cannot put her on the stand to explain those "compelling" reasons he had eluded to. I don't think there is any rational explanation other then to tell the honest to God truth. I did it, I panicked, I couldn't get hold of my parents, I didn't want them to know how angry I was at my mom and just took it out on Caylee cause she was trying to replace me as her mother...or use that physcial altercation with CA even though, CA is adamant it didn't occur.

If you've nothing to hide, you hide nothing...Inmate Anthony has everything to hide since it would make her look like the murderess who took her child's life out of vengeance, rage, anger, hatred she had for her mother...which might just come into play since Baez is not motioning for those jailhouse letters to be supressed...we shall see...I am at a loss, even my speculation is at a loss for making sense...:innocent:

Justice for Caylee.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, I am scratching my head over Baez's easy release and agree it may very well fit into his defense plan.

BUT - I think it will take a way more than Casey's "word" she was afraid of Cindy, because all behavior points to Casey running that household and having no respect at all for Cindy and even less for George. Don't see how that theory will fly.

And if she is claiming an accident - how does she explain the duct tape? So the bugs couldn't get in her when she tossed that back. Sorry to be so graphic, but if that was the case, why not tape her eyes also.

At this point we don't know that KC didn't. There were 3 pieces of duct tape and one tiny face. JMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

[/B]

At this point we don't know that KC didn't. There were 3 pieces of duct tape and one tiny face. JMO

According to the ME, duct tape was over Caylee's nose/mouth/skull, no mention of Caylee's eyes being duct taped closed..

 

[nort]

I have been thinking alot about what I think these letters are doing and how all of this is playing out in my head. Casey may have put the ladder by the pool and let Caylee out in the yard (intentionally so I do believe this is premeditated). I think the searches on the computer are legit but were too complicated for Casey to attempt. I think she did tape her face after the fact so that she could go with the kidnapping story. She did not claim accident because her family dynamic would have had her paying for that for the rest of her life. She wanted to be a victim forever so that her parents could continue to take care of her. Her past behavior and these letters will prove that yes shes a liar even her parents will agree to it now. The more we see how much she lies the easier for us to believe that her intial statement was a lie so they can change the story and no one will be surprised. The reason she acted so merry was because she was as this is going to get the life she wants. So I think she is going to claim accident down the road here and then use her dysfunctinal family as to why she couldnt come clean. I do think this is what her parents believe happened and thats why they defend her. I also think they think she is making up these wild stories of abuse and all the bad things about her family to use as a defense and thats why they are OK with it except Lee he has come to his senses and knows that Casey killed Caylee. Anyway long post and I have never visited this board so its nice to put out a complete theory instead of snippets. All an opinion of course. Opinion may vary based on news of the day.

 

[magic-cat]

Since the jailhouse letters broke I have been in a state of weirdness for lack of a better word. I remember when the "leaks" came out about the Blanchard Park scenario where Zenaida held her down and she and her sister took Caylee away. NOW...a brand new entirely different Zenaida story comes out in these letters and it has barely gotten one word of press or attention even here in our forum and I cannot help but wonder why? I mean, to me this is a huge development. It is almost like she has revealed part of the ACTUAL defense she is planning on using. She was planning to take Caylee and leave and get her out of THAT household, but Zany would not tell her where Caylee was once she got herself ready to go. Why is the new Zenaida story getting ignored? It's beyond comprehension...

 

[logicalgirl]

A state of weirdness is a good description - I'm just on overload. There seems to be a huge amount of information rather than just one doc dump. Here we have testimony, a gazillion phone calls, the letters, and speculation about many aspects of the letters - was there molestation or not, etc., etc., wowzers!

I agree about the Zany (Zanny) information, it is on the lower tier but I don't think we're ignoring it. I'm struggling with coming to some kind of conclusion(s) in my mind about much of this information. Then I'll need to study my list of conclusions to make my own judgement call on how valid this new information is and can it be used in the case.

THEN - or at the same time, I read the opinions of my valued WS'ers who post - okay my head is starting to spin again. Then there is holding my breath as I see how heated the board gets....

Just saying - agree with you re "the whole new Zany show" but there's a lot going on - if I was a cartoon, my brain would be in the midst of an electrical storm.

 

[jon_burrows]

Since the jailhouse letters broke I have been in a state of weirdness for lack of a better word. I remember when the "leaks" came out about the Blanchard Park scenario where Zenaida held her down and she and her sister took Caylee away. NOW...a brand new entirely different Zenaida story comes out in these letters and it has barely gotten one word of press or attention even here in our forum and I cannot help but wonder why? I mean, to me this is a huge development. It is almost like she has revealed part of the ACTUAL defense she is planning on using. She was planning to take Caylee and leave and get her out of THAT household, but Zany would not tell her where Caylee was once she got herself ready to go. Why is the new Zenaida story getting ignored? It's beyond comprehension...

ITA

The real bombshell in those letters is Casey changing her story AGAIN. Now we have two completely different stories coming straight from her... first the one from LE on tape where she says she dropped her off at Sawgrass, went to work like a normal day, then came back to pick her up. She tells a different story in the letters. She doesn't feel it's Zenaida's fault, she forgives her, it's not her battle (WHAT...it's not her battle to find out who murdered Caylee?). She holds so much venom toward a lot of people, Jesse, her mom, the voodoo doll guy from ebay, even NG (she wants to sue her and get her off TV) but the killer of her child...ehhh, not her battle.

We never heard Casey herself tell the Blanchard Park story. That story always came from someone else saying she said it. I believe she told the Blanchard story but what's important is what can't be disputed in court and that's her own words on tape and her own words in writing.

I think the new Zany story is getting lost because of the craziness (for lack of a better term) in those letters. She comes off even scarier than before.

FWIW, I think the defense team will go for an accidental death theory. I really do believe if Casey had thought for one minute some people would buy an accidental death theory with three layers of duct tape wrapped all the way into Caylee's hair so tightly that it held her jaw in place, she would have marched LE right to the body and said it was all a big accident.

IMO

 

[Lanie]

I want to say there is no way Casey will be put on the stand at trial, but then I remember who her attorney is, and all bets are off...

I can't imagine what kind of effective defense they could use. Casey told 911 on July 15, 2008, Caylee was with ZFG and she had spoken to Caylee earlier that day. Casey told LE in a recorded interview the whole nanny story. IIRC, she also wrote this out by hand. ?? To change the story at trial, in my non-attorney opinion, would require Casey to testify. With Casey on the stand, IMO, any even half decent attorney should be able to tear up anything she says. IMO, all they have to do is ask her a couple of questions then let her just ramble away, and Casey will convict herself.

I think the defense is going to attempt to confuse the jury into an acquittal by throwing out massive amounts of irrelevant drivel. I don't think it is going to work.

 

[jon_burrows]

I want to say there is no way Casey will be put on the stand at trial, but then I remember who her attorney is, and all bets are off...

I can't imagine what kind of effective defense they could use. Casey told 911 on July 15, 2008, Caylee was with ZFG and she had spoken to Caylee earlier that day. Casey told LE in a recorded interview the whole nanny story. IIRC, she also wrote this out by hand. ?? To change the story at trial, in my non-attorney opinion, would require Casey to testify. With Casey on the stand, IMO, any even half decent attorney should be able to tear up anything she says. IMO, all they have to do is ask her a couple of questions then let her just ramble away, and Casey will convict herself.

I think the defense is going to attempt to confuse the jury into an acquittal by throwing out massive amounts of irrelevant drivel. I don't think it is going to work.

Good theory!

I wonder if the defense can plant the seed of an accident without putting her on the stand. For instance, asking the ME...can you tell me with 100% certainty this wasn't an accident? Pretty much ask that same question to every prosecution witness over and over again. Sometime attorneys can get a point across with just a question.

 

[logicalgirl]

ITA

The real bombshell in those letters is Casey changing her story AGAIN. Now we have two completely different stories coming straight from her... first the one from LE on tape where she says she dropped her off at Sawgrass, went to work like a normal day, then came back to pick her up. She tells a different story in the letters. She doesn't feel it's Zenaida's fault, she forgives her, it's not her battle (WHAT...it's not her battle to find out who murdered Caylee?). She holds so much venom toward a lot of people, Jesse, her mom, the voodoo doll guy from ebay, even NG (she wants to sue her and get her off TV) but the killer of her child...ehhh, not her battle.

We never heard Casey herself tell the Blanchard Park story. That story always came from someone else saying she said it. I believe she told the Blanchard story but what's important is what can't be disputed in court and that's her own words on tape and her own words in writing.

I think the new Zany story is getting lost because of the craziness (for lack of a better term) in those letters. She comes off even scarier than before.

FWIW, I think the defense team will go for an accidental death theory. I really do believe if Casey had thought for one minute some people would buy an accidental death theory with three layers of duct tape wrapped all the way into Caylee's hair so tightly that it held her jaw in place, she would have marched LE right to the body and said it was all a big accident.

IMO

While I don't agree about the new story being a bombshell - for me it's expected and I think we'll hear a few more before the trial - I do agree that the one thing Casey didn't think to do is say it was an accident.

But then again, I'm not surprised because I doubt if Casey has ever stepped up to the plate and first accepted responsibility for any of her actions without first being backed into a corner where there is no escape.

And we know Casey has no concept of consequences either. She's been excused from consequences her entire life - thanks to her loving parents.

It makes sense to me that the kidnapping scenario was what she grabbed on to. It's current - on the news, on TV programs - yes, that's it - Caylee was kidnapped. You can almost hear her mind whirring - Caylee's gone, she was taken by Zanny - let's just carry on as usual and not talk about it all the time - whoops she's dead - now it's all over so why is everyone blaming me - I didn't do it and what's for lunch. Geez.....

 

[logicalgirl]

Good theory!

I wonder if the defense can plant the seed of an accident without putting her on the stand. For instance, asking the ME...can you tell me with 100% certainty this wasn't an accident? Pretty much ask that same question to every prosecution witness over and over again. Sometime attorneys can get a point across with just a question.

Along with the description of how the duct tape was lovingly placed by a distraught mother who was so crazed with grief she drove around with her baby's dead body in her trunk and then threw her in a nearby dumping ground? And proceeded to party hardy?
Ummm..I want to hear this explanation really bad.

 

[magic-cat]

I don't know...if this is a situation where she has cried wolf one too many times and so nobody is paying attention, but this is HUGE-way bigger than a "rumor" we heard from Leonard Padilla and then in Lee's civil deposition I think we also heard it...or was it George? Anyhow, whoever it was, this was an entirely completely different story and we analyzed that one to the bones of it...and here is another, completely different from either of the stories that came first, with entirely new and never disclosed details...and nobody is the least bit interested...I am just very confused as to why that is and how it came to be that this thing she wrote in those letters is not being broadcast like the OTHER things that are, like the sex abuse...why is THIS particular juicy tiddbit being looked over...even by US here? Anyone?

 

[Macushla]

I don't know...if this is a situation where she has cried wolf one too many times and so nobody is paying attention, but this is HUGE-way bigger than a "rumor" we heard from Leonard Padilla and then in Lee's civil deposition I think we also heard it...or was it George? Anyhow, whoever it was, this was an entirely completely different story and we analyzed that one to the bones of it...and here is another, completely different from either of the stories that came first, with entirely new and never disclosed details...and nobody is the least bit interested...I am just very confused as to why that is and how it came to be that this thing she wrote in those letters is not being broadcast like the OTHER things that are, like the sex abuse...why is THIS particular juicy teidbit being looked over...even by US here? Anyone?

I think it is because we have heard so many different stories by now, that we have all just shrugged and said, there she goes again. I think this new version came up AFTER she heard what was found with Caylee and had to come up with some way to explain why items from the Anthony's home were found - so of course, Zany had to have been at the house the day Caylee disappeared.

I have to agree with you though, this should be talked about, discussed, and dissected just like the other stories were!

 

[jon_burrows]

Along with the description of how the duct tape was lovingly placed by a distraught mother who was so crazed with grief she drove around with her baby's dead body in her trunk and then threw her in a nearby dumping ground? And proceeded to party hardy?
Ummm..I want to hear this explanation really bad.

I don't believe for one minute it was an accident. I think the murder weapon was the duct tape and it happened exactly as Ashton described it but there are still some people here (and other blogs) who believe it was an accident (drowning, left in a hot car, etc). She panicked because she was afraid people would think she was a bad mother (particularly her mother) then put the duct tape on to hold decomp fluid or stage a kidnapping (either way, three layers is (pardon the word)) extreme overkill and a ridiculous theory anyway. I don't think the lawyers are going for an all out acquittal, just one juror to hold out for an accident and hang the jury. Jose said recently it only takes one for an acquittal (um no Jose, they'll just do it all over again). A hung jury is a win for them, they can walk away with their 15 minutes of fame and leave it up to a court appointed attorney to do the next trial.

I firmly believe this murder was premeditated even if she planned it 5 minutes ahead of time. I hope the prosecution is able to use a doll to instill in the juror's minds how long it takes to pull three pieces of duct tape from a roll, place it FIRMLY over a child's face/hair, then wait for the child to suffocate. I don't know how they can stick to the Zany the Nanny story. It is easily disproven. So what do they have left? Accident, try to discredit everything the prosecution presents (good luck with that one), or inundate the jury with useless drivel to confuse them or lose the real evidence in all the nonsense.

The defense has nothing. They can't pull a SODDI out of thin air and the imiginanny won't work either.

Personally I hope they stick with the Nanny story. If they do I wonder which version they'll go with...Casey is up to three now.

IMO

 

[Aedrys]

I don't believe for one minute it was an accident. I think the murder weapon was the duct tape and it happened exactly as Ashton described it but there are still some people here (and other blogs) who believe it was an accident (drowning, left in a hot car, etc). She panicked because she was afraid people would think she was a bad mother (particularly her mother) then put the duct tape on to hold decomp fluid or stage a kidnapping (either way, three layers is (pardon the word)) extreme overkill and a ridiculous theory anyway. I don't think the lawyers are going for an all out acquittal, just one juror to hold out for an accident and hang the jury. Jose said recently it only takes one for an acquittal (um no Jose, they'll just do it all over again). A hung jury is a win for them, they can walk away with their 15 minutes of fame and leave it up to a court appointed attorney to do the next trial.

I firmly believe this murder was premeditated even if she planned it 5 minutes ahead of time. I hope the prosecution is able to use a doll to instill in the juror's minds how long it takes to pull three pieces of duct tape from a roll, place it FIRMLY over a child's face/hair, then wait for the child to suffocate. I don't know how they can stick to the Zany the Nanny story. It is easily disproven. So what do they have left? Accident, try to discredit everything the prosecution presents (good luck with that one), or inundate the jury with useless drivel to confuse them or lose the real evidence in all the nonsense.

The defense has nothing. They can't pull a SODDI out of thin air and the imiginanny won't work either.

Personally, I hope they stick with the Nanny story. If they do, I wonder which version they'll go with...we're up to three now.

IMO

See, this is why I'm baffled with the defense. They can say what they want, but with demonstrations on a doll on how the tape was most likely put on, letting the jurors smell the trunk of Casey's car, pictures of Caylee's dead body and how it was found, etc., how in the world can the defense POSSIBLY expect to get past that to one juror? Throwing out drivel to distract just isn't going to work.

I think they're either working on a plea and hoping like the prosecution goes for it, or they're just going to do the "best" they can, and then beg for no needle in her arm with the sexual abuse, etc. There's just nothing else that they can possibly do, not with the sheer amount of evidence and how it can be displayed and shown in court.

If I was the defense, I would want to stay as far away from the court room as possible with this particular case. There is just no win at all for Casey in there.

 

[Pensfan]

I think the defense’s is scrambling to convince KC to state that Caylee’s death was just a terrible accident and she was so traumatized that she became irrational, staged a kidnapping, and dumped Caylee’s body.....blah blah.

Perhaps the defense has thought they could encourage dumb George to save KC from the DP or LWOP by agreeing that it was all a terrible accident. After KC threw George under the molestation bus, I doubt he will lie again for KC. Although the defense would like KC to spin Caylee’s murder as an accident, its never going to happen. KC believes she will magically be completely exonerated. She will never confess.

 

[jon_burrows]

See, this is why I'm baffled with the defense. They can say what they want, but with demonstrations on a doll on how the tape was most likely put on, letting the jurors smell the trunk of Casey's car, pictures of Caylee's dead body and how it was found, etc., how in the world can the defense POSSIBLY expect to get past that to one juror? Throwing out drivel to distract just isn't going to work.

I think they're either working on a plea and hoping like the prosecution goes for it, or they're just going to do the "best" they can, and then beg for no needle in her arm with the sexual abuse, etc. There's just nothing else that they can possibly do, not with the sheer amount of evidence and how it can be displayed and shown in court.

If I was the defense, I would want to stay as far away from the court room as possible with this particular case. There is just no win at all for Casey in there.

I completely agree but I think we're dealing with media hungry attorneys and one that thinks it's fun (I think he likes the spotlight too). They'll want to drag this out as long as possible. I don't think they give a hoot about Casey and they'll take it all the way to trial for the publicity. I can't imagine Casey accepting a plea unless it's an extremely light sentence which I don't think the prosecution will allow. Judging by her letters, Casey is overly confident she'll walk out of jail a free woman, write a book, do a movie, become a star, and travel the world.

I don't know if you followed the Laci trial but I truly believe that jury would have been hung if one of the jurors hadn't been kicked off. His name was Justin (I think) and he was a total moron. It only takes one to cost Florida a bundle to try her again.

IMO

 

[Macushla]

I don't think the lawyers are going for an all out acquittal, just one juror to hold out for an accident and hang the jury. Jose said recently it only takes one for an acquittal (um no Jose, they'll just do it all over again). A hung jury is a win for them, they can walk away with their 15 minutes of fame and leave it up to a court appointed attorney to do the next trial.

That is a very good thought! What a wonderful way for JB to get his cake and eat it too. I have no doubt the State would immediately set a date for a second trial, if this occurred. You know what is making me smile and feel all giddy and happy? The thought of the look on KC's face when she hears that 'her boys' are high tailing it outa town and leaving her exactly where she's been for the last many, many months. Isn't that a delightful thought? You know, if it wasn't for the $$$$ that is being wasted on this whole thing, I would almost wish for a hung jury - just to see KC react when she is left high and dry!