Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[cyberborg]

I see the Defense strategy is to file as many motions as humanly possible and to delay the trial as long as they can to, as follows:

• 
  Motions to try to eliminate pieces of the mountain of circumstantial evidence and testimony piece by piece.

• 
  Motions for the purpose of getting out to the media and general public to influence the future Jury pool

• 
  Motions to float in the hope that they may slip past and be allowed

• 
  Motions to get rejected today but be used as grounds for appeal or, in case they are needed later to appeal

• 
  Motions to wear down the SA and Judge and fight a prolonged ground war

• 
  Motions to cost the taxpayers lots of money and cause a loss of support from Orlando voters

• 
  Motions for the sake of submitting motions and cause lots of confusion and misleading info

 

[Jolynna]

Considering the recent 48 Hour Mystery special, I want to give the SODDI defense a bump. The old SODDI thread I found was locked.

POINTING TOWARD ANOTHER DUDE:

1. DNA on duct tape belonging to Lori, a lab person (compromised evidence)
2. Q107 Foreign female hair not belonging to CA, KC or Caylee
3. None of KC's DNA at crime scene

POINTING TOWARD KC:

1. Both George and Cindy admit a laundry bag, like the one Caylee's body was found in, USED to be in Caylee's room. The bag is MISSING. It held Caylee's balls. The balls are in the tool shed.
2. Rare duct tape like the tape over Caylee's mouth and nose was found on George's gas can. George admits KC had the gas can. He denies putting on the tape himself saying it was sloppily put on.
3. The Anthony's used the rare duct tape to hang up Caylee posters.
4. Caylee's body was found with clothes KNOWN to be Caylee's. LE has pictures of Caylee wearing the "Big Trouble" shirt and striped shorts. The "Big Trouble" shirt & the striped shorts are MISSING from the Anthony house.
5. George and Cindy say Caylee did have a favorite Pooh blankets and one is MISSING. It was longer than the other Pooh blankets and covered Caylee's toes. Caylee's body was found with a Pooh blanket like the one missing from the Anthony house.
6. Searches for "how to make chloroform", "neck breaking", "household weapons" and death were conducted on an Anthony computer. Cindy says she might have searched for chloroform. BUT, Cindy was at work when the searches were done. The searches happened between 1 and 2 p.m. which is later than Cindy would have gone in and earlier than Cindy came home. Cindy says she may have been off work those days in March but her Gentiva schedule says otherwise. George says he didn't do the searches.
7. The smell of the Pontiac:

• Described by Simon L. from Johnsons as smelling like the body he recently found in another car
• Described in Cindy's 911 call as like a body (in her deposition Cindy says she has smelled bodies before)
• Described by Cindy to her coworkers smelling like a body
• Described by George to the FBI and LE as like a dead body smells (in his deposition George says he has smelled bodies before)
• All officers called to the scene say the car stinks. Yuri says it smells like a dead body.
• KC says a dead animal is plastered on her Pontiac and that her car smells (text to Amy)
• Cadaver dogs alerted on the Pontiac car trunk

7. KC's own father, a KC advocate who wouldn't deliberately make KC look guiltier, points the finger more at KC by tightening the timeline and putting KC with Caylee alive at 1 p.m. on June 16. Possible sighting of Caylee alive with KC at 4 p.m. on June 16. No Caylee with Caylee the afternoon of June 16 at Tony's or on video of KC with Tony at Blockbuster's.

8. Multiple witnesses including KC's parents say KC said Caylee was doing great, that KC was seeing Caylee regularly and that Caylee was with the nanny.

9. Grave wax was found wiped onto paper towels (napkins) found in trash in KC's car trunk. (No meat products in the trash)

10. Maggots and coffin flies in the trash in KC's car trunk.

11. No nanny. No reason for nanny because KC had no job.

12. Experts from the Tennessee body farm will testify that there was decomposition in KC's car trunk.
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[cecybeans]

Excellent summary, Jolynna. I would just change both the GA and JT sightings to "possible". I don't think GA is a very credible witness. It could turn out his story is true, but he is too unreliable overall to be considered anything but hearsay, imo, and has a major agenda. Both her parents are in permanent spin cycle, and have been since the minute the Pontiac was found.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I was just thinking about the short summary they gave on the 48 hours show, no DNA, no fingerprints, no witness, no confession, no cause of death.

 

[Jolynna]

I think the FBI labs will be attacked.

The heart-shaped adhesive that was destroyed by finger printing allows KC's defense to say that investigators were overly eager to hang KC and saw things that weren't there. IF the initial investigators really did see the heart shape, were the labs so inept they destroyed state evidence? What exculpatory evidence might also have been destroyed? Plus the smoking gun pointing toward a homicide is the duct tape. That smoking gun doesn't have KC's DNA or fingerprints on it. There is another woman's hair and a lab person's DNA on the tape. So should a jury trust their evidence with KC's life on the line?

I, personally, think KC is guilty as sin. The phyical evidence (Caylee's body, the tape and clothes) was literally boiled in bags in KC's car trunk.So there is an explanation for what happened. Degraded DNA that needs to be amplified is easily compromised. Hairs is literally found in the air. IIRC, there were foreign DNA found in the crime scenes of both Jeffrey MacDonald and Darlie R. But, in both cases what their defense called DNA evidence was actually a hair. In one of their appeals the highter court said that hair evidence isn't necessarily exculpatory and the appeal was denied.

But, I think the defense could make some headway attacking physical evidence.


jmo

 

[Jolynna]

Excellent summary, Jolynna. I would just change both the GA and JT sightings to "possible". I don't think GA is a very credible witness. It could turn out his story is true, but he is too unreliable overall to be considered anything but hearsay, imo, and has a major agenda. Both her parents are in permanent spin cycle, and have been since the minute the Pontiac was found.

If I were a state prosecutor, I would not dispute that George saw KC and Caylee on June 16. George's testimony will narrow the timeline and opportunity for another dude to have done it. George saying he saw Caylee and KC, which is harmful to KC, is especially damaging because George is also obviously trying to not harm KC.

It cannot be disputed that KC was in the Anthony house the morning and afternoon of June 16. In the morning KC went from her room and into the Anthony spare room to upload a picture of Fusian to the family desktop computer. The Anthony family desktop was used in the afternoon after George went to work. And, KC pinged from the Anthony house almost all of June 16 until 4 p.m.

I don't see the state fighting with George about something that points toward KC's guilt by putting KC and Caylee together and out of the reach of SOD until 1 p.m. The state doesn't need George to bolster that there was a fight between Cindy and KC. Amy, Tony and Jesse say KC, herself, said on June 16 that she couldn't stay in the Anthony house. Jesse said Casey told him Cindy told KC she needed to find another place to live.

jmo

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I was just thinking about the short summary they gave on the 48 hours show, no DNA, no fingerprints, no witness, no confession, no cause of death.

Great post! The prosecution will say...

No DNA - It was all destroyed by the elements. DNA was from lab.

No Fingerprints - They were destroyed by the elements.

No Witness - No biggie! How often to we have a witness compared with no witness?

No Confession - Casey wouldn't know how to confess if she wanted to.

No Cause of Death - Think Scott Peterson. Think duct tape. Think no soft tissue to test.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I agree Carolina but I admit I am worried about how the case will go.

 

[lizzysf]

One part of the strategy is to paint the Anthony family as a very close, "normal", loving family without many internal conflicts. A family that is a very functional unit in which this could not happen. The truth, of course, is the extreme opposite. Unfortunately for the defense... the A's have been very transparent...every time they open their mouths we see the truth.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I agree Carolina but I admit I am worried about how the case will go.

IMHO, it's never a safe bet NOT to worry. I'm sure the prosecution worries more than we do. It's their motivation to put together the best case possible. No case is ever the proverbial "slam dunk" and to think so would be folly.

I have great faith in LDB and Jeff A. They will not stop worrying until the whole case is over.

 

[Macushla]

While the 'foreign' DNA on the duct tape is troubling and the defense will beat that particular report to death during the trial, the duct tape in itself is the biggest piece of evidence. The Henkel brand duct tape was on Caylee. It wasn't just in the vicinity. That same brand of duct tape was found on the gas can and can be seen in photos of the 'command center' the A's put up and ran. So while the DNA on the duct tape can be said, by the defense, to be contaminated, the duct tape itself is not! Also, as a number of posters have pointed out - Caylee's DNA is not on the duct tape and it is a FACT that she had it placed on her face. So the elements degraded the tape to the point to where no DNA could be found and the traces came from the lab tech and someone else - perhaps someone from the ME's office, someone from LE. The duct tape is still going to be one of the most compelling pieces of evidence against KC.

 

[Jolynna]

One part of the strategy is to paint the Anthony family as a very close, "normal", loving family without many internal conflicts. A family that is a very functional unit in which this could not happen. The truth, of course, is the extreme opposite. Unfortunately for the defense... the A's have been very transparent...every time they open their mouths we see the truth.

Unfortunately for KC, every time KC's parents go out in the public they make KC look worse.

George's and Cindy's Zenaida depositions, the hammer videos, and today's video when Cindy jumps all over a reporter, show people who can be provoked and have tempers. They don't control themselves. Which makes it easier for the public to view George's and Cindy's daughter as a mom who might lose control with Caylee. Every time they lie they reinforce opinion of KC as a liar.

The defense would have to do some extreme finessing to present KC's parents in a way that makes them assets.

jmo

 

[reeseeva]

While the 'foreign' DNA on the duct tape is troubling and the defense will beat that particular report to death during the trial, the duct tape in itself is the biggest piece of evidence. The Henkel brand duct tape was on Caylee. It wasn't just in the vicinity. That same brand of duct tape was found on the gas can and can be seen in photos of the 'command center' the A's put up and ran. So while the DNA on the duct tape can be said, by the defense, to be contaminated, the duct tape itself is not! Also, as a number of posters have pointed out - Caylee's DNA is not on the duct tape and it is a FACT that she had it placed on her face. So the elements degraded the tape to the point to where no DNA could be found and the traces came from the lab tech and someone else - perhaps someone from the ME's office, someone from LE. The duct tape is still going to be one of the most compelling pieces of evidence against KC.

BBM, Excellent Point.....

 

[seekingjustice**]

I'm wondering what the Defense's Opening Statement will be. I also wonder if they are going to stick with the 'Zanny Story' or do you think they will pull a different rabbit out of the hat.

Any ideas?

 

[Macushla]

I'm wondering what the Defense's Opening Statement will be. I also wonder if they are going to stick with the 'Zanny Story' or do you think they will pull a different rabbit out of the hat.

Any ideas?

KC is driving the defense train, no matter what they might advise her to do, ultimately she decides what the defense strategy will be. I have given up trying to figure out which way she will go other than "I didn't do it!" The defense has stated in various interviews things along the line of "Some one else put the body there AFTER KC was in jail", "a stranger killed Caylee" and "you will all understand once this comes to trail". the only strategy I can be sure of is that the defense will attack every single piece of evidence and the testimony of ever prosecution witness. When it comes down to it, no matter what the defense says about any of the evidence there are some things they can not dispute: Never reporting Caylee missing, her behavior during the 31 days, all her lies, and the Bella Vita tattoo. These facts and they are FACTS are going to convict her IMHO.

 

[cecybeans]

Unfortunately for KC, every time KC's parents go out in the public they make KC look worse.

George's and Cindy's Zenaida depositions, the hammer videos, and today's video when Cindy jumps all over a reporter, show people who can be provoked and have tempers. They don't control themselves. Which makes it easier for the public to view George's and Cindy's daughter as a mom who might lose control with Caylee. Every time they lie they reinforce opinion of KC as a liar.

The defense would have to do some extreme finessing to present KC's parents in a way that makes them assets.

jmo

That is such a good point - they just make her look like the acorn (that never fell from the tree).

Well, AL might be able to use them as part of a toxic-environment excuse for mitigating circumstances to get her off the DP. I imagine being with CA 24/7 is worse than sitting through a marathon of horror-movies with my eyes pinned open Clockwork Orange-style. I have said it before - KC is the fire and CA is the accelerant. She is like emotional lighter fluid.

 

[tragco]

One possibility as far as where Baez is going with Kronk and the duct tape:

Viewing the video of Kronk's ex-wife who was in the coast guard and worked at one time in the LEGAL department, she came across as very credible.

Kronk, unfortunately, does not seem to be a very good person. Listen to what he did to his son- at one point his ex-wife said they could talk to her son about it. His son does not seem to want to see him now, either.

The other wife was not as credible, but she did mention he duct taped her and someone cut her free- who I am sure would testify to this if it is true.

Sadly, the person who found Caylee is not a "hero", he seems to be a complete jerk. But, IMO, the defense is not going anywhere with any kind of story that Kronk killed her.

What they will say is that he knew where Caylee was for quite a while and bring up that Kronk bragged that he was going to be a hero. Listen again to the interviews, and listen about the duct tape- he duct taped everything- said he used very strong duct tape, called it his 100% tape or something. The moral of the interviews seems to be that Kronk is a vengeful person and he loves to use duct tape.

Defense is going to go with an accident theory. What is the ONE thing on the body after all this time that precludes an accident? The DUCT TAPE. They are going to say Kronk found the body back in August, knew where it was, and duct-taped her mouth shut. They'll bring up the call he made to two people saying he knew where the body was BEFORE it was found. IMO, a jury could find reasonable doubt that Casey used the duct tape. That's why he's a suspect now. It has nothing to do with them trying to say he killed her.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-crystal-sparks
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-jill-kerley
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/21677942/index.html
Kronk's son discusses call from his father prior to body being found

 

[TotallyObsessed]

One possibility as far as where Baez is going with Kronk and the duct tape:

Viewing the video of Kronk's ex-wife who was in the coast guard and worked at one time in the LEGAL department, she came across as very credible.

Kronk, unfortunately, does not seem to be a very good person. Listen to what he did to his son- at one point his ex-wife said they could talk to her son about it. His son does not seem to want to see him now, either.

The other wife was not as credible, but she did mention he duct taped her and someone cut her free- who I am sure would testify to this if it is true.

Sadly, the person who found Caylee is not a "hero", he seems to be a complete jerk. But, IMO, the defense is not going anywhere with any kind of story that Kronk killed her.

What they will say is that he knew where Caylee was for quite a while and bring up that Kronk bragged that he was going to be a hero. Listen again to the interviews, and listen about the duct tape- he duct taped everything- said he used very strong duct tape, called it his 100% tape or something. The moral of the interviews seems to be that Kronk is a vengeful person and he loves to use duct tape.

Defense is going to go with an accident theory. What is the ONE thing on the body after all this time that precludes an accident? The DUCT TAPE. They are going to say Kronk found the body back in August, knew where it was, and duct-taped her mouth shut. They'll bring up the call he made to two people saying he knew where the body was BEFORE it was found. IMO, a jury could find reasonable doubt that Casey used the duct tape. That's why he's a suspect now. It has nothing to do with them trying to say he killed her.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-crystal-sparks
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/112009-jill-kerley
Ex-Wife Interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/21677942/index.html
Kronk's son discusses call from his father prior to body being found

Kronk is not a suspect by anyone. He is a convenient patsy at the moment. Ex-files do not a suspect make, as they often come with some heavy axes to grind.

 

[niaa]

Interesting theory. I don't think I'd believe it if I was on the juror but it's the first theory I've heard that has a chance of getting her off death row, not a good chance mind you but a chance. IMHO

 

[ZsaZsa]

I see the Defense strategy is to file as many motions as humanly possible and to delay the trial as long as they can to, as follows:

• 
  Motions to try to eliminate pieces of the mountain of circumstantial evidence and testimony piece by piece.

• 
  Motions for the purpose of getting out to the media and general public to influence the future Jury pool

• 
  Motions to float in the hope that they may slip past and be allowed

• 
  Motions to get rejected today but be used as grounds for appeal or, in case they are needed later to appeal

• 
  Motions to wear down the SA and Judge and fight a prolonged ground war

• 
  Motions to cost the taxpayers lots of money and cause a loss of support from Orlando voters

• 
  Motions for the sake of submitting motions and cause lots of confusion and misleading info

Isn't there such a thing as a frivolous motion?