Casey Anthony's Time-line Is Shrinking - UPDATE 8/10/08

[Patty G]

Just wanted to say I sure like this thread as it's nice to have a timeline everyone is brainstorming on.

I do too as we have so much more info to go on and still so many unanswered questions. The pieces are coming together though!

 

[California Dreamer]

According to Cindy, Cindy "allegedly" tucked Caylee in bed on the night of June 15th.

I specifically remember an interview where CA stated she tucked BOTH KC and Caylee in, which I felt was very odd. I certainly haven't tucked my 20 year old in for quite awhile! I will try to find that interview. That's why I think the 15th they weren't there or something was amiss!

 

[Patty G]

I specifically remember an interview where CA stated she tucked BOTH KC and Caylee in, which I felt was very odd. I certainly haven't tucked my 20 year old in for quite awhile! I will try to find that interview. That's why I think the 15th they weren't there or something was amiss!

I recall Cindy saying that too, and then when I heard it again, she left out Casey. :waitasec: I had one of those ... "well that's not what you said the first time?"

This video was done shortly after the 911 calls and before the bond hearing.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2705012

Cindy is still saying June 9th here. I thought it was in this video where Cindy said she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed but it's not.

See how calm Cindy is only a few days after the 911 calls.

 

[Patty G]

Cindy on The Today Show - July 21, 2008

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

In this interview Cindy says her mother heard Caylee July 5th on the phone.

Listen to Baez ....

 

[dejavu101]

I recall Cindy saying that too, and then when I heard it again, she left out Casey. :waitasec: I had one of those ... "well that's not what you said the first time?"

This video was done shortly after the 911 calls and before the bond hearing.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2705012

Cindy is still saying June 9th here. I thought it was in this video where Cindy said she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed but it's not.

See how calm Cindy is only a few days after the 911 calls.

HI Patty
You have pointed out everything I speak to my hubby about are we sharing a brain? lol Here are some thoughts:

1. What is the time of the argument on the 15th? (before the visit to Greatgrandpa or after?)

2. Whose voices were heard? ( if just Casey and George,then Casey left without Caylee, this is determined by the time of the nursing home visit)

3. Was Caylee left alone with George alot?

4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)

5. Why did Cindy switch from the 9th to the 15th as last day Caylee was seen? ( the nursing home photo was forgotten when they made up this story and George realised it could be proven by date stamp on photo and might turn up during an investigation)

6. When was the chloroform searched on the laptop? ( the time ill establish if it was used as a clean-up tool or knock out tool)

7.Were the tires on both vehicles ever examined for traces of vegetation or dirt/mud?

8. Did a neighbor spot George going out to his car at an odd hour and moving things out to get to the wheel well? ( I often walk my dog at 2 or 3 am if he needs it hes old )

9. Is George the father of Caylee? ( hate to say this....did Casey find George alone "with" Caylee on the 16th in the act of something unspeakable?)

10. Is this another Ramsey scenario, now that the idea of a script has been introduced?

Just my thoughts, do not mean to offend anyone.

 

[Tate]

I'm no expert in child development. I did ask a friend who has a child via artificial insemination, nearly 3 years old, like Caylee. And this child is starting to ask about her father.

Sometimes I see people on this list with very emotional characterization of Caylee, "that precious little angel" and such. Caylee was a little person with her own personality, her own likes and dislikes. I contend that Caylee's questions, her likes and dislikes, make her an inadverdent player in this tragedy. Don't forget about her agency when thinking about what happened.

I still think that the stimulation of "father's day" would have generated Caylee's asking. Asking in that nearly 3-year old way, which is repetetive and relentless. Someone up there said that 2-year olds are not very verbal, well, this child was almost 3. She undoubtedly had "why" and "who" in her vocabulary. She watched television and heard about mommy's and daddy's, and eventually put it together that she, too, should have a daddy... and innocently asked about what the story was with her.

Also, Caylee was present for this yelling fight on Sunday night too. She would have been upset. She would have been crying. Perhaps she needed some Benadryl (chloroform?) to quiet her down?

Plus, there was so much effort apparantly put on by the family, trying to misdirect this event from Father's day -- trying to recast the day as June 9, etc. I just can't help thinking it was significant.

Excellent! Makes sense to me. You may be onto something...

 

[Patty G]

HI Patty
You have pointed out everything I speak to my hubby about are we sharing a brain? lol Here are some thoughts:

1. What is the time of the argument on the 15th? (before the visit to Greatgrandpa or after?)

I don't know if the time was ever stated in the documents.

2. Whose voices were heard? ( if just Casey and George,then Casey left without Caylee, this is determined by the time of the nursing home visit)

I don't think it was mentioned who was arguing, just that they heard an argument. Based on what we know about George, he had to be one of them for sure.

3. Was Caylee left alone with George alot?
I didn't see anything anywhere that stated that, but I am sure there is a transcript on many of the interviews George did with LE. None of George's statements are in the report EXCEPT for in the initial statement George made and he was still claiming June 9th as the last time he saw Caylee. There is a handwritten statement from George in the document file.

4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)
IMO, yupper!

5. Why did Cindy switch from the 9th to the 15th as last day Caylee was seen? ( the nursing home photo was forgotten when they made up this story and George realised it could be proven by date stamp on photo and might turn up during an investigation)
Why does Cindy do what she does in the first place. It sure showers suspicion on the 9th. But I think the 9th was devastating to the Anthony's because Casey left with Caylee to bond, per Cindy on the 8th or 9th.

6. When was the chloroform searched on the laptop? ( the time ill establish if it was used as a clean-up tool or knock out tool) Since this information only came out in the last couple of days, hopefully LE will shine some light on when they discovered it. Keep in mind, George clearly mentioned there was a can of cleaning fluid in the trunk of the car. When I first heard that I thought "huh, why would someone have cleaning fluid in the trunk of a car? I have a gallon of windshield washer fluid in mine and a gallon of water. Hopefully LE has that can of cleaning fluid!

7.Were the tires on both vehicles ever examined for traces of vegetation or dirt/mud?
I am sure we will hear about that eventually, and my guess is "YES" they did. What they found, not sure, but I keep in mind that the car could have gone through a car wash a few times to remove any traces of packed-in dirt.

8. Did a neighbor spot George going out to his car at an odd hour and moving things out to get to the wheel well? ( I often walk my dog at 2 or 3 am if he needs it hes old ) I haven't read anything about George going out to his truck in the middle of the night.

9. Is George the father of Caylee? ( hate to say this....did Casey find George alone "with" Caylee on the 16th in the act of something unspeakable?)
No, George is not the father of Caylee, and that is my personal opinion.

Regarding the "unspeakable", I don't feel that at all.

10. Is this another Ramsey scenario, now that the idea of a script has been introduced?
Why not, as it looks like pieces of many of the past crimes.

 

[Darlene733510]

Since all this began, I have had such a strong feeling about that backyard. I think TM needs to get in there with his ground penetrating equipment. Caylee played there a lot, it seems - playhouse, sandbox - and it is "close."

 

[MeenaMom]

Question and thank you Patty for all the videos you post, The July 21 2008 today interview CA states she didn't have long to talk to KC but they created a MYspace page together before calling LE? Is that true? And is this normal when you find out your grandbaby is missing create Myspace page then call LE?

 

[Tate]

Cindy on The Today Show - July 21, 2008

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

In this interview Cindy says her mother heard Caylee July 5th on the phone.

Listen to Baez ....

Hi Patty, it may not matter, but on this video Cindy actually says, "I know that my mother had made a comment to me on June...July 5 that she thought she had heard Caylees voice a few days previously on the phone."

Thank you for taking the time to record and post all those videos! I've never seen this interview -- which is very telling -- so thanks again for keeping us informed. :blowkiss:

 

[Spangle]

On #4,
"4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)"

Maybe to verify it to himself that he knows what he is talking about. Also, when you give a time, folks want to know how/why you know it was that time. Did you just happen to look at the clock, etc. Stating he was watching the show, he is answering a question that WILL eventually be asked.

However, I thought when he first said it, he started to say 'news', but was intrupted. He makes the statement again, that time saing "food."

 

[Tate]

On #4,
"4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)"

Maybe to verify it to himself that he knows what he is talking about. Also, when you give a time, folks want to know how/why you know it was that time. Did you just happen to look at the clock, etc. Stating he was watching the show, he is answering a question that WILL eventually be asked.

However, I thought when he first said it, he started to say 'news', but was intrupted. He makes the statement again, that time saing "food."

Yeah, and I remember Cindy piping in and saying, "Right, the Food Channel," or something close to that...

 

[Rose Mom]

Hi Patty, it may not matter, but on this video Cindy actually says, "I know that my mother had made a comment to me on June...July 5 that she thought she had heard Caylees voice a few days previously on the phone."

Thank you for taking the time to record and post all those videos! I've never seen this interview -- which is very telling -- so thanks again for keeping us informed. :blowkiss:

OK that was a bit creepy for me watching Cindy rub Lee's leg that way.... take a look and see if anyone agrees

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

 

[Patty G]

Here is Cindy right after the bond hearing where she states: "I am a nurse of decomposition" and lots more.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2720701

 

[bessie]

Sometimes I see people on this list with very emotional characterization of Caylee, "that precious little angel" and such. Caylee was a little person with her own personality, her own likes and dislikes. I contend that Caylee's questions, her likes and dislikes, make her an inadverdent player in this tragedy. Don't forget about her agency when thinking about what happened.

*snipped*

I agree that at almost two years-old, Caylee would have been very inquisitive about most things. According to comments from friends recorded in statements to LE, she was an intelligent little girl. It's just my opinion, of course, but I doubt that questions about Caylee's father, and the lack thereof, would have been a particular point of contention. I say that for a couple of reasons:

1. Cindy and Casey are world champion storytellers. I'm sure between the two of them, they had the missing father explanation covered. I've always suspected that was the basis of the "father killed in a car accident" line.

2. In cases where young chldren live with grandparents, the missing parent(s) are supplanted, in a way, by the present grandparents. The younger the child, the more thorough the effect.

 

[Patty G]

On #4,
"4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)"

Maybe to verify it to himself that he knows what he is talking about. Also, when you give a time, folks want to know how/why you know it was that time. Did you just happen to look at the clock, etc. Stating he was watching the show, he is answering a question that WILL eventually be asked.

However, I thought when he first said it, he started to say 'news', but was intrupted. He makes the statement again, that time saing "food."

IMO, George did a lousy job covering for himself on June 16th as well as his rendition of June 24th.

 

[Pedrosmom]

On #4,
"4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)"

Maybe to verify it to himself that he knows what he is talking about. Also, when you give a time, folks want to know how/why you know it was that time. Did you just happen to look at the clock, etc. Stating he was watching the show, he is answering a question that WILL eventually be asked.

However, I thought when he first said it, he started to say 'news', but was intrupted. He makes the statement again, that time saing "food."

For the same reason Scott Peterson said he was watching Martha Stewart. Boy that came back to bite him in the a--.

 

[Tate]

Here is Cindy right after the bond hearing where she states: "I am a nurse of decomposition" and lots more.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2720701

WTH is a "nurse of decomposition?" She can't keep her mouth shut, can she? Cindy's "air time" is going to do her in. And as Martha Stewart says, "That's a good thing!"

 

[Chanler]

On #4,
"4. Why did George make a point of mentioning the food channel on the 16th? ( to set a time alibi since tv shows can be checked)"

Maybe to verify it to himself that he knows what he is talking about. Also, when you give a time, folks want to know how/why you know it was that time. Did you just happen to look at the clock, etc. Stating he was watching the show, he is answering a question that WILL eventually be asked.

However, I thought when he first said it, he started to say 'news', but was intrupted. He makes the statement again, that time saing "food."

Actually, what George did to remember the time is completely natural: Memory studies show that we connect incidents with activities and places already "tagged" in our minds. (In fact, you can improve your memory by practicing such associations.)

The major problem with reconstructing these days is that memory fades very, very quickly and most of us have a tendency to transpose parts of recollections onto other events. (We spent last weekend with my girlfriend's sister and three sons, but when we compared our memories of sequences and events, both of us were very spotty. I should admit that my girlfriend's recollections were much more detailed than my own.)

 

[Patty G]

WTH is a "nurse of decomposition?" She can't keep her mouth shut, can she? Cindy's "air time" is going to do her in. And as Martha Stewart says, "That's a good thing!"

I loved that part!