Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1

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  • #101
I've watched this clip a few times. Since Cindy instigated it, IMO it was hostile (in a teasing way.) I am Cindy's age and I can't imagine doing that to my grown daughter. And if I did, she would not be too happy with me even if I did it in jest.

It just seemed a bit aggressive to me. JMO.

I agree with this. I saw a bit of jealousy from Cindy with Casey holding Caylee. I saw one quick look of anger come across Casey's face too. I picked up hostility, jealousy, all sorts of things from this short video.
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  • #102
I agree with this. I saw a bit of jealousy from Cindy with Casey holding Caylee. I saw one quick look of anger come across Casey's face too. I picked up hostility, jealousy, all sorts of things from this short video.
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Good call Curiosity.

I haven't really been following this case, but I saw the videos and I swore I was looking at my own life in some of them. Mind ya I am not a sociopath. At least I don't think I am. LOL However, I had the same exact family life.

This is all about power. Plain and simple. My mom's on the line of that grandmom. She's a strong personality to the point one of my siblings and I crack up because to this day we often act like four year olds when my mom demands or requests something.

Oh and Lord forbid I or anyone else dared do something to my daughter my mother would have your head. Once my daughter came along everyone else was forgotten. Sort of another chance for my mom to mold and shape somebody. My one brother had even mentioned one time how my DD got things we never did. How our parents cared and worried way more about her than they ever did about us. Now, is that a grandparents right? I guess. Still even as an adult I recall sometimes feeling a little left out or a "Hey, they didn't do that for me". It sounds immature, but it happens.

Mind you I was afforded as was my child an extended loving family. Albeit overbearing. I see those photos of that little girl and the video's and that was my DD. Clothes out the wazooo. Attention personified. Toys, books and you name it. That was because after my divorce and my DD was only an infant when I returned to live with my family. I also have a brother who has no children of his own like Casey's brother and he too doted on my DD. Put it mildly the child was spoiled. I see that little girl in that video with that book and that was my DD. She read so very early because heck ya got four people constantly reading to you then ya pick it up.

The power part comes in because plain and simple that's your child. It's not your mother's. It's a really weird dynamic and it gets tested. On one hand you are grateful and on the other a little miffed at times. It always seems as if you're not up to par in the eyes of your own mother.

Big power struggle and admittedly there were times I figured, heck I can just go lead a life of a single chick and do what I want because my parents are keeping my child safe. This is where the difference comes in. I didn't do that. It was my job. My responsibility. This is my child. But I can kind of see how that Casey chick went about her business all partying and all. If you yourself have been afforded to lie your way through life and get what ya want then why wouldn't you.

Just my opinion, but there's no illness, period. This chick has been doing whatever she wants whenever she wants and she's intelligent enough to know she gives up the tapes she's screwed. She's just a liar. A liar who lies constantly. Pathological or not.

Sorry for the long post. That video just struck a nerve with me and brought me back to how I felt sometimes with my DD in my arms as a toddler and my mom coming in between. I pray that baby girl is alright. I don't believe she is. The whole thing is sad and it's a power struggle personified.
 
  • #103
Thanks, Lacey Clementine. I guess Casey develops a certain bravado when bars separate her and Cindy. I wonder what happens with that terror when they are in the same house? Cindy is basically back in control of Casey's life again. The very person that Casey tried to get away from is now her warden.

And we know from Cindy's MySpace statements about the betrayal by her daughter, that when all is said and done, Cindy will pull that same 'ol martyr hook out and say,

"After ALL I've done for you, look what you have done to me."

I can just hear those words in her voice, yes! lol!
 
  • #104
I agree with this. I saw a bit of jealousy from Cindy with Casey holding Caylee. I saw one quick look of anger come across Casey's face too. I picked up hostility, jealousy, all sorts of things from this short video.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one. It didn't come across as a fun family gathering to me. You could see the tension.
 
  • #105
All of this is just my opinion, I have little-to-no education in this area:


Even if Casey is a sociopath, and has NPD, she still will be considered perfectly sane, even in the confines of a trail, and even with a psyc. profile. My mother for example, had to have a complete evulation herself this past year. She has be diagnosed with literally ever personality disorder there is, along with a few other things; she has been deemed perfectly sane legally.

I do however, see so many similarities with the Cindy/Casey relationship and my own relationship with my mother, and my mother's relationship with my younger sister, it's eerie.

Without being educated in this field, I've noticed, more so in the begining, an almost "throw away" quality that Cindy seemed to express about Casey. I remember in one of the videos, or reports (I wish I could remember where I saw it) where Cindy kept telling the media to stop worrying about Casey and worry about Caylee. Although I agree with that, the little girl is the most important thing, it seemed as if CA almost was angry that anyone was paying any attention to Casey at all.

Now, it seems as if Casey can do no wrong. I would think this duality would be a "mainstay" for lack of a better word in the family, and imo, (for what that's worth) could cause Casey to have the disorders she does.

What would that do to a child if sometimes you don't matter, and then other times you matter too much? You're loved, then not loved, good then bad.

I would think the lying started small, and grew to what it is now over time. Sometimes (in bad family situations) it's better to say what the person wants to hear so you don't have to get caught up in the drama that will insue. However, lying always gets away from you, and can take over your life.

I'm sure Casey was abused, but probably not physically. If I would venture a guess, I would go with mental/emotional abuse, which is always bad, but can cause horrible things if done in the formative years. This would explain the lack of bonding between mother and daughter (on both sides imo), and also the anger/resentment that seems to be apparent between the two at times.

The party pictures to me, do not look like a young girl "partying it up and having fun," I see someone with a drinking problem, especially factoring in Amy's statement that Casey could drink quite a bit, and not get drunk.

If any of this was the case, I can see someone like Casey, watching her mother do all the things with her daughter she always wanted her mom to do with her, and for her, but never did. I can imagine the anger, hate, rage, misery, pain and suffering that would have caused. The feelings of no self worth, the desperation for someone to validate her, to be loved, to be worthwhile, the need to lie about everything to seem better than you are, the neverending quest for control.

Although many, many people endure these things and never potentially commit murder, I think if gone unnoticed, and untreated, it could have caused her to snap, and do the unimaginable, just in blinding revenge against her mother.
 
  • #106
Thanks for sharing your insight Vahlaria and others!

I think in the coming days and weeks we are going to learn more about the dynamics of this family particularly if more people come forward to share their experience with/of them.
 
  • #107
Juliette Lewis was mentioned by CA as a co-worker that after being researched never worked there past or present. How ever she is a famous actress that appeared in two serial killer movies, Kalifornia and Natural Born Killers.

This is a patteren, the fact she recently was watching American Psyhco which influenced her tatto on her shoulder of "Bella Vita" from the movie
 
  • #108
Post carried over from the "Expert Statement Analysis on Casey" thread. With Terilee's permission, I am posting this link.

Quote ~ snip from Terilee: This gentleman has worked on such cases as Scott Peterson, OJ simpson, Jon Bonet Ramsey, Susan Smith, etc.

It looks like he is now working on the Caylee Case too.

He teaches interviewing techniques to Law Enforcement.

At the very least, it is a very interesting science of how to detect deception in defendants written and verbal statements.

http://www.statementanalysis.com/cases/

Terrilee, thank you for letting me post this here. I am trying to understand the Anthony family, and appreciate this topic for discussion. Thank you for the link :blowkiss:

Laney

:Justice: for :genie: Caylee
 
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lacey, this is a great article, and thanks for posting this. Lots of info on what Casey may be thinking. Casey is enjoying the spotlight, and this is a game to her. (if you get a chance, look at the handwriting thread. The handwriting thread, refers to Casey's handwriting only).

I agreed with most everything in the article except for the part where Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin says ~ snip: "There are signs to look for, which could signify Anthony is getting ready to talk. Look for her to turn to religion and either attempt to or speak of fleeing. When she gets to that point, she is most likely to talk about what really happened."

I don't think she will turn to religion or speak of fleeing and she will never tell. Little by little, we are chipping away at Casey's persona. :blowkiss:

Laney

:Justice: for :genie: Caylee
 
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Juliette Lewis was mentioned by CA as a co-worker that after being researched never worked there past or present. How ever she is a famous actress that appeared in two serial killer movies, Kalifornia and Natural Born Killers.

This is a patteren, the fact she recently was watching American Psyhco which influenced her tatto on her shoulder of "Bella Vita" from the movie
Is that where she got the idea? I thought she was ripping Lindsay Lohan, who has a Bella Vita tattoo. And of course a girlfriend named Sam.
 
  • #113
I want to reiterate that insanity is a legal term, not a medical term. It is not used within the mental health field. Casey is not insane, however she would be considered to have a mental disorder IMO...most likely one or more of the Cluster B personality disorders. According to the DSM IV-TR a mental disorder is present if conditions cause “clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning". I think we can all agree that Casey's behavior has caused her problems in these areas. Anti-Social Personality Disorder used to be called Sociopathic Personality Disorder (as Bipolar D/O used to be called Manic-Depressive) so they are used interchangeably within the mental health community.

I've worked in the mental health field for years and have fought against the "mother blaming" that is so prevalent. In this thread I can recall only one person questioning George's role in Casey's problems. While I'll be the first to agree that Cindy and Casey likely have a dysfunctional relationship, I think it is important to take into consideration that she had two parents and both contributed to her upbringing as far as I can tell. Even in cases where the father is the abuser often the focus is on "how could the mother let that happen", yet the reverse isn't often true. In many ways I can understand this as we tend to see motherhood as the bastion of protection. However, if we are to ever recognize the importance of fathers they have to share in the responsibility (or blame, depending on how you want to look at it :)) of how their children end up in life. I'm not intending to lecture anyone but wanted to point out a tendency we tend to have.


 
  • #114
Last month, Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, President of the Violent Crimes Institute, LLC, shared her thoughts on Casey Anthony, mother of missing three-year-old Caylee Anthony. Dr. Schurman-Kauflin recently got back from traveling and upon checking her inbox, she found dozens of emails from readers who want to know why Casey Anthony is not helping in the search for Caylee.

Visit Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin's Website at:

www.drdsk.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbX4OA2Kkss
 
  • #115
I've been lurking for a long time and have read through most every post. You all are amazingly inciteful.

It has occurred to me just today (especially after hearing the taped interviews) that she sounds so certain about this Zanny person.

Could she actually believe that this person exists, and dropped Caylee off to an empty apartment? Is her brain functioning as a schizophrenic? I have no doubt that Caylee is deceased and it was at KC's hands, but what is her version of it in her head?

If anyone has seen "A Beautiful Mind" Russell Crowe's character actually sees what he has concocted and acts on what he sees.

Just curious if this has occurred to anyone else here.
 
  • #116
I've been lurking for a long time and have read through most every post. You all are amazingly inciteful.

It has occurred to me just today (especially after hearing the taped interviews) that she sounds so certain about this Zanny person.

Could she actually believe that this person exists, and dropped Caylee off to an empty apartment? Is her brain functioning as a schizophrenic? I have no doubt that Caylee is deceased and it was at KC's hands, but what is her version of it in her head?

If anyone has seen "A Beautiful Mind" Russell Crowe's character actually sees what he has concocted and acts on what he sees.

Just curious if this has occurred to anyone else here.

No. She's not schizoprenic, or it would have shown up in a few ways.

She has a personality disorder, or two. Sociopathic and narcisisstic, would be my guess.
 
  • #117
No. She's not schizoprenic, or it would have shown up in a few ways.

She has a personality disorder, or two. Sociopathic and narcisisstic, would be my guess.


What other ways?
In the beginning I wondered if Casey was schizophrenic but just dismissed the thought as the case progressed.
 
  • #118
I've been lurking for a long time and have read through most every post. You all are amazingly inciteful.

It has occurred to me just today (especially after hearing the taped interviews) that she sounds so certain about this Zanny person.

Could she actually believe that this person exists, and dropped Caylee off to an empty apartment? Is her brain functioning as a schizophrenic? I have no doubt that Caylee is deceased and it was at KC's hands, but what is her version of it in her head?

If anyone has seen "A Beautiful Mind" Russell Crowe's character actually sees what he has concocted and acts on what he sees.

Just curious if this has occurred to anyone else here.

I saw that movie; it was worth watching! Thanks for the comparison. I think the trauma of killing could do strange things to the mind and make whatever one had before, worse. JMO.

Also, I noted that in the taped interviews Casey said something like this:

It's the honest-to-God truth that I don't know where she is and the last person who had her was Zenaida.

So, with that much emphasis on those two points, the two statements could be true (in her mind and as follows):

1. I don't know where she is (because I put her in a dumpster or similar place)
2. The last person who had her was Zenaida (and Zenaida is Zanny the Nanny which is really Xanax)
 
  • #119
I believe if LE will use this, they can destroy her by having her destroy herself........

People like her are manipulative and by treating you (or others) like you're nothing is just one of many ways they act out their fantasy world that they are so grand that you are dirt under their feet. So, look out. Delusions of grandeur are hard to maintain and are constantly challenged by reality. (this is where she can be attacked)

For example, do you have a fine reputation? Look out, that threatens the narcissist's delusion that she is the greatest, so she'll have to fix that fine reputation of yours. Do you excel at something?

Look out, that threatens the narcissist's delusion that she is the greatest, so she'll have to sabotage your work. Do you have an outstanding personal virtue? Look out, that threatens the narcissist's delusion that she is the greatest, so she'll have to drag your virtue through the mud, attributing it to herself while she portrays it in you as a vice.

Yes, pathological envy is her middle name. They set a goal and they will destroy anyone in their path to get there.

But treating others like nothing and destroying them aren't the only ways narcissists act out their fantasy and maintain their delusions of grandeur. Those delusions evaporate without constant reinforcement, so a malignant narcissist needs to prove she's God Almighty by trampling someone about as frequently as most other predators need to make a kill.

It's just more of the same. So that the narcissist can think she seems grand, she must crush you like a bug underfoot. This is the way she controls her parents.

If you are down and out, or show ANY weakness, look out, you're going to get kicked. Can she get away with abusing you behind closed doors? Look out. And if you try to complain, you'll be sorry, because she'll have the whole world conned ahead of time into viewing you as the malicious one who's imagining things.

The typical brutal dictator, like Nero, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and Aloph Hitler, is or was a malignant narcissist. (They acted out how grand they were by trampling people by the millions.) But so is the typical street con artist, often described by law enforcement officials as the most sadistic of criminals in the art of mental cruelty. They have no feeling for those less than them. All things/persons are disposable.

Pedophile priests are usually diagnosed as malignant narcissists. Serial bullies, serial adulterers, gold-diggers, love thieves. Character assassin is every narcissist's middle name. Rapists, child abusers, serial killers. In fact, all psychopaths are malignant narcissists, but whether all malignant narcissists are psychopaths is still being debated.

In short, these type of narcissists are a form of predator who hunt easy prey to plunder them in one way or another, mainly for ego gratification.They can't stand to be made fun of even in jest. Because they have to feel greater than you, they are competing with you or someone else for every bit of it. Anything you get or love, they view as rightly belonging to them. So, they have to take it away.

A person's self respect. A person's good name. Another's success. The love of a child.

This is the mentality that stands out so glaringly in this type of person: from the gutter, they gotta tear you down off that pedestal and treat you like dirt to prove they're better than you.

That isn't natural. It isn't natural to hate innocence. It isn't natural to attack people who are no threat to you and have done you no harm. It isn't natural to treat the other members of one's own family as prey. But psychopaths and narcissists of this type do.

Most of them get their jollies without leaving visible bite marks in their victims. Most never push the envelope of risk-taking to the point of violent crime. They will resort to violence if they "have to."

Instead they drive lovers, children, employees, schoolmates all the way to suicide through mental cruelty calculated to deliver sadistic emotional and psychological abuse. They cross the line into physical or sexual violence only when they think they can get away with it and when safer forms of treating people like dirt no longer deliver the high they are addicted to.

Whether by choice or not, psychopaths and these type of narcissists are able to do this because they have no human feeling whatsoever for anyone. Except themselves: they have very, very tender feelings for themselves. But none for anyone else, not even their own children. Their children are nothing more than "props" for their play and if they become a problem they will get rid of them too.They always view human beings as being beneath them and view them as objects, tools, to exploit for their gratification to perfect that image of theirs that they are so obsessed with.

For, like a child of two,she doesn't relate to other people: She treats people around her like a screw driver there for her to use or abuse for her sake. She disregards the consequences to you, because she refuses to grow up and know that there is a thinking, feeling person inside other people and that they exist for their own sakes, not hers. So your rights and feelings and welfare are no of consideration to her whatsoever. She will break you just lightly as she would stomp an ant.

Never forget that for a moment. Forgetting it is as dangerous as walking into a hungry tiger's cage forgetting that she is predator.

Narcissists and psychopaths often try to hide this brutal inhumanity and total lack of empathy by mimicking human emotions, often melodramatically. They are extremely sneaky and manipulative, mainly because they've been practicing these arts nonstop from about the age of six. They often rise to high positions in government and the business world because they don't care who they destroy to get there. Many times they have a messianic complex and can't understand why others can't see their greatness.

Unless they are so powerful they needn't hide what they are, they go to great lengths to portray themselves as the very opposite of what they are. They are pathological liars who tell bizarre lies. They often write books about themselves which are filled with half truths. They never write a book about anyone else. They often react to things in a bizarre way that makes you pinch yourself. Yet despite these warning signs that there is something wrong with them, and despite the mental maturity level of a little child before the Age of Reason, they almost always pass for normal. They use lower subordinates to do their dirty work destroying others when in a powerful position.

If they sucker you into getting too close and then rip your guts out, it isn't because of anything you did or anything about you they don't like: it's just because you were there and vulnerable (unable to defend yourself) like Amy when she was out of the country.

Since narcissists are such expert con artists, how do you spot them? By not judging by appearances. Or reputation.

A specific behavior, such as being haughty, inconsiderate, or ignoring someone, can occur in widely varying contexts. So, it can be done for many reasons, not just narcissistic reasons. Nonetheless, there are few behaviors so unique to persons suffering from NPD that they should serve as red flags.

Here are some red flags:

· puts on a conspicuous display of goodness and kindness
· damages the images of most others
· has a history of past upheavals
· is hated for mysterious reasons by people close to them
· exhibits unnatural and perplexing behavior — backwards reactions to things
· is a control freak, trampling privacy/boundaries
· is extremely self-absorbed
· has an extremely hostile reaction to attention and credit given others


Not that it applies to this case, but I also believe Obama to be in the same class.
 
  • #120
Interesting about "mimicking emotions"

My father is a classic narcissist. At my brother's funeral he told me not to cry when I gave the eulogy because he said it would be more "effective".

He is also hated by those that are closest to him.
 
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