Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[Lavanda Dolce]

Just a thought, I have 2 sons in Genetics, & their work has involved speculation that pesticides, food additives, & a host of chemicals in our enviroment, as well as the "pharmacologizing of America" has led to some significant changes in our genectic structure.

I agree, 100% By the way, love your doggy

 

[Knot4u2no]

Just my 2 cents. I think there is a lot more agreement on this thread than disagreement. The nature/nurture contributions to a person’s development and character are more of a dance than an either/or proposition, regardless of the person’s genetic predispositions or the characteristics of the external learning environment ... and the internal learning environment (i.e., thoughts/imagination) becomes increasingly important as a human develops. It is true that some people are born with genetic limitations (e.g., Autism Spectrum Disorders) which directly influence their capacity for empathy and understanding the nuances of relationships and related communication processes, but they still learn to be more or less social within the limits of their cognitive capacities, learning opportunities, life experiences, and how they are related to by others. Regarding Asperger’s Disorder, the following is a link to an article on Shadowraith’s website. I think it makes the point that being born with Asperger’s Disorder does not translate into criminal conduct. I thought it was an important point to make because of the number of articles that link a subcategory of serial killers to Asperger’s Disorder.

A BRACE Character Profile Analysis of Asperger’s Disorder related to
General Criminal Conduct, Psychopathy, and Serial Homicide

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/165/9/

Russell

 

[icherish]

wow, things are going a little off track here. Lavanda, did you see my earlier post about my brother also having Asperger's? The main reason i put it out there was because back then (only 20 short years ago) that and many other PDD disorder's were NOT considered genetic and WERE considered caused due to the PARENTING. Nowaday's many agree that it actually is genetic. I guess my main argument with nature vs nurture is that we are speedily finding out more and more psychological disorders DO have a genetic load. Heck, it's only been in the last 40 years or so that any of these disorders are even diagnosed and spoken about as they were thought to be personality quirks or flaws or cold and indifferent parents.

Other posters, what do you think about evolving science saying that more of these types of things actually do have a genetic component? Do you think in the future we will see science isolating these as genetic problems or will they move away from that and see it as parental environment only?

Thank you for any replys!

Great post, txanmom.:blowkiss:
As the mother of a 11 year old son on the autistic spectrum, I am well aware of the old "refrigerator mother"/failure to bond theory. Believe me, there is little worse than being told that your beautiful, beloved child has a developmental disability that will adversly affect the rest of his life. To think of being told by professionals (albeit erroneously) that YOU caused it by failing to bond with your baby...my God. Remembering the sea of emotions I lived in while coming to terms with the reality of my son's dx, I just cannot fathom how loving mothers of years past were able to reconcile such a thing within themselves. The confusion, devastation and guilt must've been all but intolerable. Of course today, we know professionals have abandoned that absurd theory. It is now thought that autism is a neurobiological disorder, caused most likely by a genetic predisposition and possibly influenced by certain environmental factors (ex: autoimmune overload due to chemical and/or viral exposure).
That said, to this day no one has proven exactly what causes autism. Contrary to what I have read in a few posts here, no one has proven or knows precisely what causes sociopathy, either. My feeling is, there is very likely a neurobiologically based genetic component to it as well. It would not surprise me if we learn that sociopathy is a "distant cousin" disorder, if you will, of autistic spectrum disorder. Even though it seems the two disorders could be hardly related, the fundamental lack of empathy and socio-emotional maladjustment are undeniably hallmarks of both.

Just my :twocents:

 

[Sammi99]

Lavanda I feel compelled to share a story about my son which is something I have never shared in a public forumn, but I feel could help you understand. The majority of the public is unaware on a day to day basis all thr different types of brain disorders for ex: The many forms of mental illness, Your sons disability Asperbers and my sons disability of epiepsy. I found how much we had to gently educate everyone around in his immediate enviroment. I'm sorry to say we can't control the ignorance of others. The highschool Le officer was telling everyone walking home from school to get off school grounds, when my son didn't move (complex-partial) the officer grabbed him through him up against a car while he was having a grandmal. He thought my son was making fun of him. Needless to say, the schoolboard implemented training session for epilepsy, Hopefully society will keep getting smarter, more compassionate for those who are differently able. :blowkiss:

I am so sorry your son had to endure getting grabbed by an officer during a seizure. I wish people were more aware of epilepsy, autism, and many other conditions that make our kids react differently to situations. Ignorance needs to be replaced by education.

 

[kageykaren]

:twocents: On a lighter note, I hope someday all the nuerosciences open up clinics for brain tweeking in the problematic regions. No more brain alterating medications, that have so many side effects. It might be a boring world then. Until there are less evasive forms of therapy I'm going to embrace all people of different backgrounds. This excludes mean people.

 

[icherish]

:twocents: On a lighter note, I hope someday all the nuerosciences open up clinics for brain tweeking in the problematic regions. No more brain alterating medications, that have so many side effects. It might be a boring world then. Until there are less evasive forms of therapy I'm going to embrace all people of different backgrounds. This excludes mean people.

:blowkiss:

 

[reeseeva]

I agree, 100% By the way, love your doggy

Thank You....Yours is adorable too..They are Mother & Son

They are all Precious Angels:angel::angel:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Good morning and knock off the bickerfest :blowkiss:
Remember, when you tell someone you are putting them on ignore, you are not ignoring them at all.

Good morning JBean, thank you for the kind reminder I try to at least respect other's right to their opinion even when I disagree, especially when it is an emotional topic. It's also helpful to any discussion when everyone's taken time to familiarize themselves w the case, previous posts etc or at least sticks to topic or threads can be detoured way OT (this is the KC and Anthony family psych thread, right...?) It's always helpful to remember too when we tell someone we will "agree to disagree" yet continue reacting (even when others are being addressed), arguing or being confrontational, we are not really agreeing to disagree. Thanks again for playing peacemaker, and have a great day! JMO
:blowkiss:

 

[kageykaren]

After watching todays court hearings we can safely say KC is coherant, displays flat affect(most likely told to remain quiet, show no emotion, do not look around. Defense keeping her contained), possibly on meds, nopuffy eyes from weeks of crying, other than flat affect behavior appropriate for occasion. HMMMM! we are no more further in guessing possible psychiatric dimestore diagnosis. If I were a layman watching the courtroom proceedings I would say cold blooded, void of emotion, criminal. I was so glad KC was able to see young girls laughing, enjoying there freedom to witness KC 's hearing.

 

[kiki the parrot]

After watching todays court hearings we can safely say KC is coherant, displays flat affect(most likely told to remain quiet, show no emotion, do not look around. Defense keeping her contained), possibly on meds, nopuffy eyes from weeks of crying, other than flat affect behavior appropriate for occasion. HMMMM! we are no more further in guessing possible psychiatric dimestore diagnosis. If I were a layman watching the courtroom proceedings I would say cold blooded, void of emotion, criminal. I was so glad KC was able to see young girls laughing, enjoying there freedom to witness KC 's hearing.

I am sure KC's well aware of the likelihood she will, best case scenario, be fortunate to spend the next 70 years or the remainder of her life behind bars. I too watched her expression closely for signs of emotion, and I too concluded she looked medicated (sedated). So given this, along w/ sudden unexpected summons to appear in court, she was probably just trying to stay focused, comprehend proceedings (ie decipher arguments, or just understand the judge's decisions like I was trying to do!) and I'm not sure I'd have managed much better under the circumstances. I have to remind myself this is a 22 yr-old who prior to six mos. ago had never been in a courtroom much less institutionalized; and who has been in the jail's protective custody w no outside contact. She certainly did not appear the picture of "defiance," as some have suggested, nor of a coldblooded sociopath. To me it simply struck me as more the "deer in the headlights" expression--a little off guard as she takes in everything--which I'd honestly not seen since after her first (or 2nd?) arrest when initially held on bond. The girls' conduct was, needless to say, totally inappropriate. JMO

 

[OneLostGrl]

wow, things are going a little off track here. Lavanda, did you see my earlier post about my brother also having Asperger's? The main reason i put it out there was because back then (only 20 short years ago) that and many other PDD disorder's were NOT considered genetic and WERE considered caused due to the PARENTING. Nowaday's many agree that it actually is genetic. I guess my main argument with nature vs nurture is that we are speedily finding out more and more psychological disorders DO have a genetic load. Heck, it's only been in the last 40 years or so that any of these disorders are even diagnosed and spoken about as they were thought to be personality quirks or flaws or cold and indifferent parents.

Other posters, what do you think about evolving science saying that more of these types of things actually do have a genetic component? Do you think in the future we will see science isolating these as genetic problems or will they move away from that and see it as parental environment only?

Thank you for any replys!

I absolutely think there is a genetic link. no doubt in my mind.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Just a thought, I have 2 sons in Genetics, & their work has involved speculation that pesticides, food additives, & a host of chemicals in our enviroment, as well as the "pharmacologizing of America" has led to some significant changes in our genectic structure.

Oh gosh, I don't doubt it. I often wonder if there is an effect from our parents past drug abuse, prior to pregnancy, things like that.

 

[OneLostGrl]

:twocents: On a lighter note, I hope someday all the nuerosciences open up clinics for brain tweeking in the problematic regions. No more brain alterating medications, that have so many side effects. It might be a boring world then. Until there are less evasive forms of therapy I'm going to embrace all people of different backgrounds. This excludes mean people.

LOL good thought! Ya know what though, I think I'd skip the clinic.. oddly enough I really think I'd miss my Bipolar.

 

[kageykaren]

Science as we speak is in the forefront of being to help so many people with brain disorders. Our family can't wait till the cost of fine tuneing the brain is at least comparable to plastic surgery. lol Dr. s. Guta nuerosurgeon, stated recently that we recieve 50% genetically & 50% learned. I have stated my sons seizure disorder to all the bloggers but I also have worked with quadrapeligics and am so excited with the latest discoveries of the brain. Vote stemcell research! Lower the cost of education so more young people can afford to attend med school. Don't get me going !

 

[kageykaren]

1 lost girl, I'm singing to you: "Don't go changin!", I wouldn't want you any different. These types of surgeries would only be for people who want a change. Wouldn't that be something to be able to attache a new brain wave personality for every occasion. I'm cracking myself up hear and realize I'm in an inappropriate mood today. Time for tea & dancing. Aloha!

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Just my 2 cents. I think there is a lot more agreement on this thread than disagreement. The nature/nurture contributions to a person’s development and character are more of a dance than an either/or proposition, regardless of the person’s genetic predispositions or the characteristics of the external learning environment ... and the internal learning environment (i.e., thoughts/imagination) becomes increasingly important as a human develops. It is true that some people are born with genetic limitations (e.g., Autism Spectrum Disorders) which directly influence their capacity for empathy and understanding the nuances of relationships and related communication processes, but they still learn to be more or less social within the limits of their cognitive capacities, learning opportunities, life experiences, and how they are related to by others. Regarding Asperger’s Disorder, the following is a link to an article on Shadowraith’s website. I think it makes the point that being born with Asperger’s Disorder does not translate into criminal conduct. I thought it was an important point to make because of the number of articles that link a subcategory of serial killers to Asperger’s Disorder.

A BRACE Character Profile Analysis of Asperger’s Disorder related to
General Criminal Conduct, Psychopathy, and Serial Homicide

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/165/9/

Russell

thank you for the informative link

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Thank You....Yours is adorable too..They are Mother & Son

They are all Precious Angels:angel::angel:

Awwwwww. And yes, I love dogs! And cats and birds and all creatures Mine is 3.5 months old, her name is Molly. She was born on Sept 11 which happens to also be my daughters birthday. She is the sweetest. It's like having a baby in the house! I love her hugs, kisses and she just loves loves loves the snow! (sorry all. I know it's OT) We had Rosie, our Lhasa Apso who was 18.5 years old and had to be put down in late October. It was so hard and terribly depressing. Molly has filled a spot in our lives in her own special way and I just know Rosie in doggie heaven is watching out for her "little sister"

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

After watching todays court hearings we can safely say KC is coherant, displays flat affect(most likely told to remain quiet, show no emotion, do not look around. Defense keeping her contained), possibly on meds, nopuffy eyes from weeks of crying, other than flat affect behavior appropriate for occasion. HMMMM! we are no more further in guessing possible psychiatric dimestore diagnosis. If I were a layman watching the courtroom proceedings I would say cold blooded, void of emotion, criminal. I was so glad KC was able to see young girls laughing, enjoying there freedom to witness KC 's hearing.

Hi Karen, I didn't get to "see" the court hearing but I did listen to it in my car on satellite. Her voice sounded very "upbeat"...so it will be interesting to see the video of the hearing once it is posted. I was glad the judge made them go and get her. Bet it ruined her day. Good.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I am sure KC's well aware of the likelihood she will, best case scenario, be fortunate to spend the next 70 years or the remainder of her life behind bars. I too watched her expression closely for signs of emotion, and I too concluded she looked medicated (sedated). So given this, along w/ sudden unexpected summons to appear in court, she was probably just trying to stay focused, comprehend proceedings (ie decipher arguments, or just understand the judge's decisions like I was trying to do!) and I'm not sure I'd have managed much better under the circumstances. I have to remind myself this is a 22 yr-old who prior to six mos. ago had never been in a courtroom much less institutionalized; and who has been in the jail's protective custody w no outside contact. She certainly did not appear the picture of "defiance," as some have suggested, nor of a coldblooded sociopath. To me it simply struck me as more the "deer in the headlights" expression--a little off guard as she takes in everything--which I'd honestly not seen since after her first (or 2nd?) arrest when initially held on bond. The girls' conduct was, needless to say, totally inappropriate. JMO

I'm wondering if they gave her something right before exiting for the courtroom? Can you imagine if they have her drugged through the trial? Can they do that? Course she will more than likely not testify...nobody rarely does. I was very disappointed to hear the commentator (Atty) on the radio say that her trial could be one maybe two years down the road and possibly longer if they want to drag it out. He said that everyone, including those volunteers that were on the searches could literally be subpaneod as witnesses! I cannot imagine! I think we all are hoping for a trial and soon.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Good morning JBean, thank you for the kind reminder I try to at least respect other's right to their opinion even when I disagree, especially when it is an emotional topic. It's also helpful to any discussion when everyone's taken time to familiarize themselves w the case, previous posts etc or at least sticks to topic or threads can be detoured way OT (this is the KC and Anthony family psych thread, right...?) It's always helpful to remember too when we tell someone we will "agree to disagree" yet continue reacting (even when others are being addressed), arguing or being confrontational, we are not really agreeing to disagree. Thanks again for playing peacemaker, and have a great day! JMO
:blowkiss:

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