Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

[essies]

I DID have Cindy for a Mom. Same treatment.

Wonder why I haven't killed anyone?

Leaving the house, getting a job, and getting counseling works WONDERS.

ITA My mother was alot like CA too. Getting over and past that kind of raising is a choice! You gotta want it and work for it-it doesn't just happen!! Looking at KC's raising gives us an explanation-NOT an excuse!!:furious:

 

[doogiesgirl]

I DID have Cindy for a Mom. Same treatment.

Wonder why I haven't killed anyone?

Leaving the house, getting a job, and getting counseling works WONDERS.

Yes what I did also. I also moved far away. jmo

 

[Brini]

Yes what I did also. I also moved far away. jmo

My cousin, who was very regularly beaten and belittled, moved to the OTHER end of the country. He called it a "geographic divorce."


My friend, who was raped since age 8, moved to Greece, for a long time.


I just moved about 30 mi, to the next town. My dad said if I tried to move out, he'd have me committed.

You want to try to find a 19 y.o. girl who doesn't want to be found?


And we are supposed to feel sorry for KC????? I don't THINK so!

 

[impatientredhead]

My cousin, who was very regularly beaten and belittled, moved to the OTHER end of the country. He called it a "geographic divorce."

My friend, who was raped since age 8, moved to Greece, for a long time.

My husband did the geographic divorce route. Moved from Boston to Seattle to get away from the craziness. My old house was half a mile from my mother's home and I lived there for 5 of the ten years she didn't speak to me.

 

[Brini]

Yes, it is a complex inter-twining of crazyness.. I believe it started with GA..
he seems to have decided early on to act like an emotional cripple.. refusing to accept any responsiblity for his family, not holding down a decent job to keep up his end of the bills, possibly having affairs or gambling or messing about with shady business dealings..in general acting like a teenager instead of like a grown, married man.

CA responding, not by booting him out the door and forcing him to stand on his own 2 feet, but by taking over the entire load of financial responsibility...while she was at it, she began taking over all responsibility for everyone else's behavior, thoughts and feelings.. smothering KC in a literal sense (KC got even with her for that, years later, by physically smothering little Caylee).. I imagine LA went through the same sort of treatment but made his escape from the family zoo, it seems he is the least damaged of the bunch.

Meanwhile though KC takes on dads irresponsible habits.. "it worked for dad, it will work for me!! I won't grow up and become an adult and hold a job and look after my daughter..just like dad didn't grow up and get a real job and look after HIS daughter.. I will just let mom carry the load, and pretend to work, do as little as possible, and get by on shady dealings or whatever I can do without actually working or getting out on my own"
Mom responded by working harder.. and by trying to keep these free loaders in line by taking over their right to an independant existence.. their right to their own thoughts feelings and concerns were lost when they refused to do the adult thing of supporting themselves.. in effect CA said "Okay, I will support you, and I will keep a roof over our heads and food on the table, but in exchange, you are going to give up your right to an independant, self respecting existence apart from me!"

Any one of the three could have broken up the whole game, by refusing to play their role any longer.. none of them did, they kept on with this foolishness until finally KC acted out the final scene in the whole drama..in a horrible act of vengence on an innocent baby..for some reason Caylee was the scapegoat who payed for CA's sins. (how terribly sad that is!)

The family dynamics have changed now, KC finally moved out and now has a "job" and a 'place of her own'.. sitting in jail being a celebrity.. and she won't play the family crazy game anymore.. be interesting to watch the family dynamics change.. CA seems to have lost all control of KC.. and I bet it is much harder to control GA.

LA seems to have finally quit trying to be a part of the whole show, be interesting to see how CA and GA sort things out beween them.. I imagine the coming year will see some real changes.

KC seems to be copying Dad in her tantrum-throwing, too. When balked or confronted, throw a hissy. Works EVERY time.

Then, she threw the BIG tantrum. :-(

BTW- If I had ever said, "Here are your f----ing gas cans," to MY Dad, I'd STILL be picking my teeth off the ground.

 

[impatientredhead]

ITA My mother was alot like CA too. Getting over and past that kind of raising is a choice! You gotta want it and work for it-it doesn't just happen!! Looking at KC's raising gives us an explanation-NOT an excuse!!:furious:

I think it gives us part of the explanation, but I truly believe there is something inherently wrong with Casey's wiring. She has alot of the traits you would expect from a young woman raised by Cindy; the low self esteem, the clinging to men, the inablility to attach on a really intimate level, the portraying a life that doesn't actually belong to you. But there has to be something else in that equation to kill your child.

 

[Brini]

I think it gives us part of the explanation, but I truly believe there is something inherently wrong with Casey's wiring. She has alot of the traits you would expect from a young woman raised by Cindy; the low self esteem, the clinging to men, the inablility to attach on a really intimate level, the portraying a life that doesn't actually belong to you. But there has to be something else in that equation to kill your child.

Exactly! Nurture PLUS nature. The "nature" part is often the pin in the grenade.

There's a TON of research going on, re: personality disorders, esp. sociopathy, right now.

Scientists are trying to figure out why some people survived the Nazi concentration camps with relatively intact personalities. While others (recent example in the news) kill somebody over who washed the dishes last.

 

[essies]

I think it gives us part of the explanation, but I truly believe there is something inherently wrong with Casey's wiring. She has alot of the traits you would expect from a young woman raised by Cindy; the low self esteem, the clinging to men, the inablility to attach on a really intimate level, the portraying a life that doesn't actually belong to you. But there has to be something else in that equation to kill your child.

I completely agree! Looking at her photobucket gives us a window into her mind-a very scary place!

 

[metalcrystal]

KC seems to be copying Dad in her tantrum-throwing, too. When balked or confronted, throw a hissy. Works EVERY time.

Then, she threw the BIG tantrum. :-(

BTW- If I had ever said, "Here are your f----ing gas cans," to MY Dad, I'd STILL be picking my teeth off the ground.

Isn't that the truth. They have no respect whatsoever towards one another, cussing, telling one another to shutup. No wonder they don't respect the public and LE, the way they treat their very own family.

 

[Brini]

Emotional abuse does not cause bruises or wounds and can't be seen but is one of worst ways that a child is abused and nobody knows about whats going on in the home ........ like y'all were talking before it is all done in secret and can be crushing to a childs ego ...In KC's case I do believe she was emotional abused by her mother (the woman figure in her life)....could you even imagine living with CINDY and the abuse caused her to shutdown her emotions to stuff them and not show them in a normal way .....and the only person she ever really loved was herself (narcasistic love) not any of these men she was with they were just tools to make her feel better about herself ...she may have a streak of love and compassion for Lee since they both went thru the same childhood ..

I can see were emotional abuse could cause a person to love themselves only..... for preservation . ...The other emotion she does have is rage she raged against her parents shows them no respect or love and IMO her rage is what caused her to kill Caylee .......she knew what she was doing but did not care Caylee was in the way of her freedom....in her mind she could not leave Caylee with the A's she would be seen as a bad mother by the great CINDY........

It's easy to see why KC grew up to be this horrible person but she made the choice to kill her child and needs to punished for it and her parents they need to see the part they played in this (like thats ever going to happen )......

in the words of Gretchen Wilson" she is a product of her raising"

Quite a number of us came from bad backgrounds.

Ultimately, we are the product of our own creation, and can work to shed the influence of the family of origin. It's ab out becoming an adult.

But, it DOES take work. And, KC didn't like to work. Nor, did she want any adult responsibilities.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Well, we can sit here and try to figure out the A's from now to the end of time. The fact is that we are humans---God gave us choices that we are allowed to make. No matter what the situation is---there are choices to make. Choices are the basic thangs you teach kids from the git go. We learn from family, school, friends and experiences. We should be taught the difference between right and wrong---which seems to me that is the problem with the A's upbringing of their kids. "Wrong" if it suits them, is ok. They make their own rules and they make them as they go along.

Everybody (or most of ya'll) seems to think LA has moved on. "NOT!" Just because he chose to stay in the background. I feel he has stayed in the background all his life. It is safer there. I think he could be just as evil as the others are. We just haven't seen it "YET". Pure and simple---> sneaky. I will be one of the few who won't be surprised if/when something comes out about LA. One of LE made a statement that LA knows what he has done. Last I head was that LA was living at the A's home and member he, Mallory and her mother are listed in this "foundation" thangy.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Yes, it is a complex inter-twining of crazyness.. I believe it started with GA..
he seems to have decided early on to act like an emotional cripple.. refusing to accept any responsiblity for his family, not holding down a decent job to keep up his end of the bills, possibly having affairs or gambling or messing about with shady business dealings..in general acting like a teenager instead of like a grown, married man.

CA responding, not by booting him out the door and forcing him to stand on his own 2 feet, but by taking over the entire load of financial responsibility...while she was at it, she began taking over all responsibility for everyone else's behavior, thoughts and feelings.. smothering KC in a literal sense (KC got even with her for that, years later, by physically smothering little Caylee).. I imagine LA went through the same sort of treatment but made his escape from the family zoo, it seems he is the least damaged of the bunch.

Meanwhile though KC takes on dads irresponsible habits.. "it worked for dad, it will work for me!! I won't grow up and become an adult and hold a job and look after my daughter..just like dad didn't grow up and get a real job and look after HIS daughter.. I will just let mom carry the load, and pretend to work, do as little as possible, and get by on shady dealings or whatever I can do without actually working or getting out on my own"
Mom responded by working harder.. and by trying to keep these free loaders in line by taking over their right to an independant existence.. their right to their own thoughts feelings and concerns were lost when they refused to do the adult thing of supporting themselves.. in effect CA said "Okay, I will support you, and I will keep a roof over our heads and food on the table, but in exchange, you are going to give up your right to an independant, self respecting existence apart from me!"

Any one of the three could have broken up the whole game, by refusing to play their role any longer.. none of them did, they kept on with this foolishness until finally KC acted out the final scene in the whole drama..in a horrible act of vengence on an innocent baby..for some reason Caylee was the scapegoat who payed for CA's sins. (how terribly sad that is!)

The family dynamics have changed now, KC finally moved out and now has a "job" and a 'place of her own'.. sitting in jail being a celebrity.. and she won't play the family crazy game anymore.. be interesting to watch the family dynamics change.. CA seems to have lost all control of KC.. and I bet it is much harder to control GA.

LA seems to have finally quit trying to be a part of the whole show, be interesting to see how CA and GA sort things out beween them.. I imagine the coming year will see some real changes.

Interesting thoughts. I do wonder what Cindy will use as a replacement for the "control void" she must be experiencing with the loss of Casey. Who knows maybe Caylee filled some of that need for Cindy as well. What WILL she do NOW ?

 

[Brini]

Interesting thoughts. I do wonder what Cindy will use as a replacement for the "control void" she must be experiencing with the loss of Casey. Who knows maybe Caylee filled some of that need for Cindy as well. What WILL she do NOW ?

I dunno, but my guess is that there will ba a seismic event, of some kind.

With KC in jail, and Caylee gone, all CA and GA have is eachother.

That puts ALLLL the focus on the marriage.

Should be another soap opera, that's for sure!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Well, we can sit here and try to figure out the A's from now to the end of time. The fact is that we are humans---God gave us choices that we are allowed to make. No matter what the situation is---there are choices to make. Choices are the basic thangs you teach kids from the git go. We learn from family, school, friends and experiences. We should be taught the difference between right and wrong---which seems to me that is the problem with the A's upbringing of their kids. "Wrong" if it suits them, is ok. They make their own rules and they make them as they go along.

Everybody (or most of ya'll) seems to think LA has moved on. "NOT!" Just because he chose to stay in the background. I feel he has stayed in the background all his life. It is safer there. I think he could be just as evil as the others are. We just haven't seen it "YET". Pure and simple---> sneaky. I will be one of the few who won't be surprised if/when something comes out about LA. One of LE made a statement that LA knows what he has done. Last I head was that LA was living at the A's home and member he, Mallory and her mother are listed in this "foundation" thangy.

I agree about Lee, MB. I don't think you can come out of a house like this without some sort of "issues". Lee is still living at home ? Bet that was Cindy's idea. I would like to be a fly on the wall, with an easy escape hatch of course.

Lee is an odd bird, there is more there that we have not seen. In the beginning I was so hopeful that he was a normal guy, the one who would surely do right by Caylee, only to be proven wrong over and over...the statement, "I believe everything my sister tells me", keeps reminding me that he is definitely "one of them".

 

[essies]

Interesting thoughts. I do wonder what Cindy will use as a replacement for the "control void" she must be experiencing with the loss of Casey. Who knows maybe Caylee filled some of that need for Cindy as well. What WILL she do NOW ?

Well, that's why she's angry all the time now-She's trying to control what she can't! LE and Judge Stickland, the media, the bloggers are all beyond her control! And it's making her very upset! The only reason she was able to control her sorry little family was because they were dependent on her-they had to! We, the above mentioned, are not in that category-she can't threaten us with anything to make us bend over and take it!
Her foundation was probably supposed to fill that void-but that's not working out too good either! She and George shouldn't have chastized RC on national tv-not good publicity and doesn't say much for how future families would be treated!
Maybe she can control the Milsteads since they're apparently living there and maybe dependent too! I saw where ole Dennis had to file for BANKRUPTCY!

 

[metalcrystal]

Well, that's why she's angry all the time now-She's trying to control what she can't! LE and Judge Stickland, the media, the bloggers are all beyond her control! And it's making her very upset! The only reason she was able to control her sorry little family was because they were dependent on her-they had to! We, the above mentioned, are not in that category-she can't threaten us with anything to make us bend over and take it!
Her foundation was probably supposed to fill that void-but that's not working out too good either! She and George shouldn't have chastized RC on national tv-not good publicity and doesn't say much for how future families would be treated!
Maybe she can control the Milsteads since they're apparently living there and maybe dependent too! I saw where ole Dennis had to file for BANKRUPTCY!

Oh snap Essie, this is a very insightful post! I think you have hit it dead on.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Well, that's why she's angry all the time now-She's trying to control what she can't! LE and Judge Stickland, the media, the bloggers are all beyond her control! And it's making her very upset! The only reason she was able to control her sorry little family was because they were dependent on her-they had to! We, the above mentioned, are not in that category-she can't threaten us with anything to make us bend over and take it!
Her foundation was probably supposed to fill that void-but that's not working out too good either! She and George shouldn't have chastized RC on national tv-not good publicity and doesn't say much for how future families would be treated!
Maybe she can control the Milsteads since they're apparently living there and maybe dependent too! I saw where ole Dennis had to file for BANKRUPTCY!

:clap::clap::clap:Right on
Member when she told one of the media peeps that they would never git another exclusive from her? I member thinking---> "Who the H3ll she thinks she is?" I hate peeps like that---somebody who thinks they are "all that". I sure would like to be locked in a room with CA for 12 hrs. Poot---even one hr would be fun.

 

[Brini]

Well, that's why she's angry all the time now-She's trying to control what she can't! LE and Judge Stickland, the media, the bloggers are all beyond her control! And it's making her very upset! The only reason she was able to control her sorry little family was because they were dependent on her-they had to! We, the above mentioned, are not in that category-she can't threaten us with anything to make us bend over and take it!
Her foundation was probably supposed to fill that void-but that's not working out too good either! She and George shouldn't have chastized RC on national tv-not good publicity and doesn't say much for how future families would be treated!
Maybe she can control the Milsteads since they're apparently living there and maybe dependent too! I saw where ole Dennis had to file for BANKRUPTCY!

Well, it's often said that the most difficult and fulfilling form of control is control of SELF.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Well, that's why she's angry all the time now-She's trying to control what she can't! LE and Judge Stickland, the media, the bloggers are all beyond her control! And it's making her very upset! The only reason she was able to control her sorry little family was because they were dependent on her-they had to! We, the above mentioned, are not in that category-she can't threaten us with anything to make us bend over and take it!
Her foundation was probably supposed to fill that void-but that's not working out too good either! She and George shouldn't have chastized RC on national tv-not good publicity and doesn't say much for how future families would be treated!
Maybe she can control the Milsteads since they're apparently living there and maybe dependent too! I saw where ole Dennis had to file for BANKRUPTCY!

Yep...that would be the reason for Cindy's extreme anger...the state of Florida is now in control of Ms. Casey, Mama has no say at all !

I can imagine she's making George's life a living he** there on Hopespring, their dreams of money and success in the missing child business fizzling out, right before their eyes. It's good Cindy still has a nursing license, maybe Gentiva will take her back, I doubt it, but surely there's a job for her somewhere ?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Yep...that would be the reason for Cindy's extreme anger...the state of Florida is now in control of Ms. Casey, Mama has no say at all !

I can imagine she's making George's life a living he** there on Hopespring, their dreams of money and success in the missing child business fizzling out, right before their eyes. It's good Cindy still has a nursing license, maybe Gentiva will take her back, I doubt it, but surely there's a job for her somewhere ?

The pressure cooker is building at Hopespring. Doubt if the lid will hold til Sept when the hearing is for the depos.