Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

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Check out "The Sociopath Next Door" by Dr. Martha Stout. It is a fascinating and insightful read. Chances are huge you HAVE encountered a true sociopath (apparently approximately 4 in 100 people are sociopaths) and just didn't know it. Dr. Stout wrote that when people ask her how to recognize them to be wary of people who try to engage your pity. Sociopaths know that much will be excused of someone whom we pity. I am sure Ton-EE got an earful about how awful her parents were to her and so on right from the beginning.

Yep! Sociopaths will engage your pity. THEN, they will despise you for having fallen for their stories.

 

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Since people seem to think the defense might raise Casey's difficult home life/upbringing/alleged abuse to give insight into her behavior, I wanted to ask how people think the family would respond to this tactic. Will they allow themselves to be steamrolled and scrutinized? Will they echo or testify against Casey's allegations of them? Just curious..

No, I don't think they would allow KC to steamroller them, re: the family.

Like any other closed-system family, they are all about family image. They will throw anyone ELSE under the bus.

My guess is the defense will just try to attack the forensic. Maybe try for JG, if they are REALLY desperate.

I don't think they will go for an "abuse excuse."

Besides, if they did, they'd already have asked for pediatrician reports, school reports, etc.

And, if there had been any abuse other than emotional-verbal, they'd have been looking for s/s in Caylee, as well.

 

[Brini]

Good question! Will they sacrifice themselves for her and willingly lay down :spinner: in front of the bus? Or will they finally say "She's a lying :silenced:!!!

Nope!

BTW-- My LURVES your signature! :blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

I hope I do not offend anyone here.
In Casey's mind it is all about her and always has been.
Casey is a cold blooded killer period, done and over.
I really get tired of these horrible people using the abuse excuse and other excuses to try to rationalize their crimes. To me it is just a bunch of bologna. You did it. We know you did it so just fess up. Get out of your fantasy world.

So, the As have pretty much thrown Caylee away to get KC off.

What they are NOT facing.. because they won't, is that she could get pregnant, again, find the baby a burden, again, and kill him/her, again.

Or, one can imagine her getting bored with a husband who has a hefty insurance policy.

She's all about what is most immediately (NOT long-term) satisfying or useful to herself.

 

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From all I've seen, GA appears to be a fairly attractive man of limited intelligence and extremely weak character who attempts to hide his weaknesses behind artificial smiles, foolish threats, and childish temper tantrums. He is in every way a perfect foil, and tool, for CA.

Although I detest CA and KC, they at least are proving to be frustratingly worthy foes in our battle for justice for Caylee. George, however, is just an embarrassment--in fact he's actually managed to become an embarrassment to both sides. LOL

I'm in the minority (again :crazy but I think you're all going to be in for a huge shock if the prosecution gets ole George on the witness stand and starts probing into his original reaction to KC's pregnancy, to having KC and Caylee living in the Hope Spring house...and exactly when he developed the all-consuming Grandfatherly love for, and total pleasure in, little Caylee. You know--the kind of doting Grandfatherly adoration that he's talked about and wept about during interviews, at the memorial, and during the deposition.

I don't doubt for a moment that Cindy adored that child and lived for her. But I have a whole lot of doubts about how devoted to Caylee that George was prior to July 15th.
NO--I am not hinting that I think GA ever harmed a hair on Caylee's head. I don't.

I'm also wondering how devoted G and C would have been had Caylee grown to a point where she was starting to have her own opinions, and show some independence.

 

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The article(s) you cited demonstrate how Andrea L. works a death penalty case. I think both Cindy and George are going to take a real beating during the penalty phase.
I believe Casey won't see them or talk to them because she has projected onto them and views them as the ultimate cause of Caylee's death. They are being held at arm's length from the defense by Baez, because they won't help Casey's cause during the guilt portion of the trial.... but will be pointed to as the "reason" for the violent crime...."the dark and complex key out of the defendent's childhood" during the penalty portion.

She blames them for not getting her out of trouble. They alway paid off her thefts and got her out of trouble.

 

[Brini]

I have followed all of these psych threads with great interest, and though I agreed that Casey showed all the signs of being a sociopath, it was difficult for me to grasp the totality of what that meant until I read a fictional account of another female sociopath that I better understood the behavior (In the Woods by Tana French, OK read, the portrayal of the sociopathic characters however was extremely edifying). I have never encountered anyone quite like Casey, sure I know people who are narcissists and have other personality disorders but I am fairly certain I have never encountered a true sociopath (at 23 I'm sure there is plenty of time for that). I think it this is why is was difficult for me, and remains difficult for others to understand how and why Casey acts as she does without any other underlying clinical or psychological reason for her behavior.

Look out for energy vampires, perpetual victims, and people who want you to pity them.

Such folks aren't always sociopaths, but sociopaths do that a lot.

If you know someone who tells people different things at different times, and tries to create dissonance and distance.. RUN! That's called "splitting." (Like KC telling her parents to stay away from JG)

That's not necessarily sociopathic, either. But it is a strong symptom of a personality disorder.

And, watch out for people who self-aggrandize. Another not-necessarily sociopathic, but good-to-avoid trait. (KC and her "job" at Universal)

Particularly people who lie without reason. Say, the CEO of the L.A. Times who says he's the President of the Chicago Trib (I know they are the same paper, this is just metaphore time)

 

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Casey isn't seeing them because first and foremost she doesn't want to and she loves being in that position to tell Cindy no. And secondly because JB doesn't want to have to compete for his voice to be heard and he doesn't want to debate strategy with Cindy. One of his better decisions actually.....

There you go, again, Red!

Also, KC has figured out that her parents are of no particular use to her, IIRC. They can't get her out of trouble, this time, so to h--- with them!

 

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BBM.

Very, very true statement. I think that is something that is very hard for people who don't have experience with those family dynamics to understand. You have to picture a fire that feeds on itself and grows bigger and bigger until it's out of control. It almost doesn't matter what the original "secret"/spark may be. It's the emeshment and attempts to control ever aspect of interaction that cause the fire to explode.

Yep! My folks literally went into panic mode, when my sister and I got close to people outside the family (my brother could do as he pleased-- until he got engaged). Dad would stand in the doorway and scream at friends who brought us home, or came home with us. My folks constantly tried to chase off our friends. They opined anyone outside the family was,"up to no good." They also told us, "What happens in the family stays in the family."

Pretty creepy and secretive, huh?

No big secrets, either. Other than that Dad was a high-functioning alcoholic, and was boinking his secretaries.

But, in such families, independence in any member is seen as a threat. So, they act as if there is a mutant brother in the basement, with tentacles. There is also the double threat that the independent member OR outsiders might find out that the family isn't perfect (dysfunctional families also have crazily high family image standards). So, the insular family often tries to quash outside relationships.

Example: Seen the Anthony's social friends, anybody? Neighborhood barbeques? Rotary Club? How about CA trying to break KC's engagement to JG?

So, we stopped bringing friends home. I disappeared into another town, when I was old enough. My sister married to get out to the house. My sister-in-law just toughed it out, until the attempts to chase her off finally stopped (when she had kids).

By the time my sister and i got back in touch, the folks had backed off of any attempt to control.

It took my sister and I a long time to get past being hit, now and then (back then, hitting was considered good parenting). And, getting over the messages that we were unattractive and unloveable. I thought I was very homely for a long time. I later became a dancer in night club shows, for awhile, so I figure I got past it. That and the validation from friends and lovers. The message that we were smart, but never quite accomplished enough was harder to get past. That still bites, sometimes.

But, after three generations, at least, of dysfunction and abuse, there is no abuse in this generation.


BTW- KC wants it both ways. She wants to be supported financially, and free to do what she wants 24/7.

Few of us are free to do what we want 24/7. And, most families even healthy ones, won't support a non-contributing member.

 

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I actually started to giggle as I read your question. No, I do not believe for a moment it was real. I think he was jealous of Cindy's mutual-admiration-society relationship with George Casey, so GA got miffed and took himself off to a motel (texting them all the way) where he registered under his own name. (Easier for the proprietor to call the police when news of GA's disappearance was broadcast) LOL.

To facilitate his "suicide," he brought along some beer (or was it liquor?) and a couple bottles of thyroid pills or something virtually harmless. Leaving his gun behind, he then sat in his motel room, drinking a little, and unhurriedly composing an 8 page suicide note. (That must be a record for length of a suicide note). In that note he claimed he was going to kill himself "because he couldn't protect his family." (Killing onesself being a better way to protect one's embattled family?) and hoping his wife found a better mate (George Anthony, perhaps?).

IMO: A pathetic, selfish, dramatic, disgusting attempt at grandstanding and evoking the pitying regret of CA, GA, and an entire nation. To my everlasting embarrassment, I fell for it--hook, line, and sinker for about one week.

Nice summary of evidence!:blowkiss::blowkiss::clap::clap::clap::clap:

And, you're right! Leaving the gun at home and bringing pills was a particular giveaway. Guns are faster, surer.. and that's the way suicidal cops usually choose-- because it always works.

 

[Brini]

WOW! I realize what murderers do is not OK but I can still appreciate what contributing factors got them there as well as try to be objective about how trauma really affects people. Also the stats on sexual abuse victims victimizing others is 1:2. That's right folks, if you're unlucky enough to have something of this caliber happen to you at a tender age there is a 50/50 shot you will victimize others. Not only that, if you don't claw, scratch, and dig yourself out of the mire and better yourself and your mental health...then you get NO SYMPATHY. wow.

Child murderes and chronic thieves (even from a disabled grandfather) get no sympathy, you are correct. That two-year old had NO chance against a determined, adult, murderess. That it was her own mother must have devastated her, as she died.

One also cannot be expected to offer sympathy for KC's life-shattering trauma, when there is no evidence that one ever occurred-- not even from KC herself. KC also has no psychiatric history-- no medical or school records of same, either.

One of our members was badly abused, and WAS crazy, for a long time. She is quite open about it. When she was craziest, she STILL made sure her child was safe, protected and cared for. She gets sympathy and a lot of admiration.

So.. if the As were sexually abusing KC, then whom have they been abusing since KC grew up? Pedos are pedos. They don't stop.

Caylee? She looked pretty healthy and outgoing. Any complaints from the neighbors re: their kids? Again, did LE find any evidence of kiddie on the A computers? Any family member position him/herself to be around toddlers? Any evidence that KC was afraid to leave Caylee alone with her family?

 

[debbie0604]

I'm going to start by saying I expect to receive alot of dissenting opinions but... I'm putting it out there anyway...

I don't believe that KC is a "true sociopath" at least not clinically speaking... She does exhibit quite a few of the traits associated with sociopathy, narcissism, depression , anxiety and dare I say it? PTSD.... I'm sorry, but she does...

True sociopaths are born that way and the evidence will present itself in early childhood and before the age of 15. As far as I can tell, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that KC was able to express positive emotions and feelings for people, was very well behaved in school, never in any trouble and made good grades... until she dropped out right before graduation in 2004. I would really love to know the reason why she did because I see that as the jumping off point for the buildup that had been occurring for years. [WARNING SIGN #1]

Sociopathic behavior (along with the other myriad of potential KC diagnosis) is a learned response. KC was raised in a home with a mother that has been described as having & has on several occasions exhibited the following characteristics in public; inconsistent maternal enforcement of rules, loud arguments between the parents, low maternal educational aspirations for the child, maternal difficulty controlling anger toward the child, maternal possessiveness, maternal use of guilt to control the child, maternal verbal abuse, paternal assistance to the child's mother, and paternal fulfillment of the role of father. (I posted that description earlier) [WARNING SIGN #2]

It is my contention that something happened in early 2004 to cause KC to quit school just shy of graduation and then find herself pregnant within 6 months or so.... I suspect the pressure to be perfect was finally building and KC was rebelling a little more at a time. My gut tells me that KC was raped either by placing herself into a compromising situation (and feels responsible) or she truly was forcibly raped... either way it would be traumatic enough to possibly cause PSTD and get the ball rolling with her new persona. [WARNING SIGN #3]

Regardless of whether or not she was raped, it is evident that she did not want to be pregnant. I would not doubt that she denied to herself that she was pregnant long before she finally had no other choice but to admit it to her parents. She confessed to at least one friend that she did not want the baby and wanted to give it up for adoption but that her mother was making her have the baby. Yet another example of CA's controlling behavior and now KC is really trapped with her parents. I'll go ahead and now say that, in and of itself may have caused some PTSD... throw in some major hormone changes before and after birth (PPD) (especially in that house) and we (the outside observers) could pull up our lawn chairs and wait for the top to fly off the pressure cooker. [WARNING SIGNS # 4 & #5]

However.... KC wasn't fully cooked yet.... she had a relationship with Jesse that would have provided an escape from her parent's house (but still probably not from under CA's thumb) but that relationship failed.... It appears that event was yet another stepping stone in her downward spiral... from what I can tell, it seems as though that time frame corresponds to when the excessive lying, stealing from family and promiscuity really started to take off... the sociopathic/narcissistic/adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depression KC was emerging from her cocoon.. [WARNING SIGNS #6, #7 & #8]

Jesse reports in November that he had thought about getting back together with KC but she had changed. Jesse also reports that KC had a seizure (I know alot about this has been discussed) but random seizures (with no prior history) can be another warning sign from your body that something is wrong in your brain, chemically and/or structurally, add that to the other stressors in KC’s life and the disorder pot starts boiling even harder. [WARNING SIGNS #9 & #10]

I know that she told two different friends on two separate occasions that she wanted to check herself into a mental hospital, telling them she was depressed and felt trapped. I believe the last call was in December/January 2008 (again, correct me if I am wrong). [WARNING SIGNS #11 & #12]

I believe by February 2008 KC was beginning to fantasize about her parents being out of her life and possibly Caylee as well (if only to spite her mother).. By March 2008 (when the computer searches began) she was starting to consider it even more and jumped from fantasizing to planning. She was looking for ways to accomplish the task when the day would come…. [WARNING SIGN #13 - in all fairness this would be hard to detect unless you were searching for it]

However… Given the dates below… regardless of whether or not she had actually completed all she needed for her “mission”… the middle of June appears to be the timeframe she was targeting anyway.

May 13th - KC starts talking to Amy about moving in together and that CA would be signing the house over to her in mid-June. About 3 weeks later Amy says that CA took back the agreement because she had 30 days to do so.... then said 2 days later GA was cheating on CA. (setting up murder/suicide?)

May 19th - KC provides Amy with a tentative move-in date of June 18th...

June 13th KC says GA has a mini-stroke and she can't go to Jax with Amy to get her car...

June15th - CA & Caylee visit GGP's.... alleged blowup fight at the A's that evening; CA strangles KC.

June 16th - KC & Caylee leave without taking extra clothes. They come back to the house and well... by now... KC has officially "snapped"… it was probably the night before but obviously she is in “mission mode”…. it is anyone's guess as to the exact method; duct tape to silence, to smother her mouth & nose, put her in the pool to drown/suffocate w/ the tape on, taped her up, wrapped her in the pooh blanket, put her in the laundry bag and then into the plastic bin in her car and drove away... then put her in garbage bags before she dumped her in the woods (to make it look like trash instead of a body)... and of course there is the possibility that part of her “mission mode” was that the duct tape was placed to make it look like a kidnapping so KC wouldn't be blamed when she was found… which brings us to the lying and how could anyone be that stupid to think that anyone is going to believe this story…

APD's are not always skilled liars because they expect their victims to believe what they say and don't know how to react when people don't buy their stories... they are very capable of turning off interpersonal connections when they are faced with the truth or stressful events. During acts that they know are wrong but just don't care enough to stop themselves it is very easy for them to disassociate themselves from what they are doing. That provides them with the ability to commit violent acts without feeling remorse.

KC’s lack of emotions except when she is the one being punished are good visual demonstrations of her disassociation with Caylee (no tears) and show that her only concern is for herself (tears). It is abundantly evident when people talk about Caylee, she shows no emotion except hostility and redirects the focus to KC as the victim. She only demonstrates tears when discussing her own suffering or punishment.

In summary... CA & GA provided an environment that would foster emotional and psychological damage by predisposing KC to their own maladaptive parental disorders. [Parents battling for control over one another & their offspring, insisting always on perfection, lying when it is not and literally getting away with murder for years… again, its learned behavior…]

And please don't misunderstand... I speak from experience... I could be a poster child for the most messed up family in the US but instead I prefer to be grateful that I didn't end up on the back of a milk carton.... I have little sympathy for people that grow up in very dysfunctional households and consistently blame their parents as the reason they are unable to function in society as well as others. If are you are able to recognize that you have a problem; then you are able to do something about it.... get help; therapy, medication - BOTH (trust me)... or at least have a warning label tattooed on your forehead for the rest of us to know that you are BSC...
(if I had a nickel....)

Great post!! :clap::clap::clap::clap: Thanks a bunch!!! :blowkiss:

 

[impatientredhead]

Since people seem to think the defense might raise Casey's difficult home life/upbringing/alleged abuse to give insight into her behavior, I wanted to ask how people think the family would respond to this tactic. Will they allow themselves to be steamrolled and scrutinized? Will they echo or testify against Casey's allegations of them? Just curious..

I don't think we will see the abuse excuse during the defense. They are going to try to argue that the state has not proved his client killed this child, challenge the forensics, and have everyone that said in sworn statements that she was a great mother and they could not imagine her harming Caylee repeat that position for the jury.

The abuse excuse will come when she is convicted. Both sides will layout their case for whether she should or shouldn't be executed. If that jury is minutes away from deciding whether they think Casey should be put to death, her family is not going to defend their own reputations at that moment. I don't think they will say "yes" we abused her (and I doubt they think they did, just like Casey doesn't think she has abused them), but they won't flip out when someone else says it.

Where the abuse excuse is going to blow up in JBs phase is you can't lay out the pretty pictures with smiling Casey and Caylee and say this was a devoted mother who was so clearly in love with her child and then turn around and say that household was soooo toxic it caused Caylee's death.

I think if you look at cases where the jury has cut major slack for abused defendants they were not cases where the abuse is mom controlling them via pursestrings, embarrassing them in front of their friends, and undermining their self esteem. There is zero evidence of sexual abuse or physical abuse. Statistically it will be likely that a juror has had a more abusive upbringing than that.

 

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Yep! My folks literally went into panic mode, when my sister and I got close to people outside the family (my brother could do as he pleased-- until he got engaged). Dad would stand in the doorway and scream at friends who brought us home, or came home with us. My folks constantly tried to chase off our friends. They opined anyone outside the family was,"up to no good." They also told us, "What happens in the family stays in the family."

Pretty creepy and secretive, huh?

No big secrets, either. Other than that Dad was a high-functioning alcoholic, and was boinking his secretaries.

But, in such families, independence in any member is seen as a threat. So, they act as if there is a mutant brother in the basement, with tentacles. There is also the double threat that the independent member OR outsiders might find out that the family isn't perfect (dysfunctional families also have crazily high family image standards). So, the insular family often tries to quash outside relationships.

Example: Seen the Anthony's social friends, anybody? Neighborhood barbeques? Rotary Club? How about CA trying to break KC's engagement to JG?

So, we stopped bringing friends home. I disappeared into another town, when I was old enough. My sister married to get out to the house. My sister-in-law just toughed it out, until the attempts to chase her off finally stopped (when she had kids).

By the time my sister and i got back in touch, the folks had backed off of any attempt to control.

It took my sister and I a long time to get past being hit, now and then (back then, hitting was considered good parenting). And, getting over the messages that we were unattractive and unloveable. I thought I was very homely for a long time. I later became a dancer in night club shows, for awhile, so I figure I got past it. That and the validation from friends and lovers. The message that we were smart, but never quite accomplished enough was harder to get past. That still bites, sometimes.

But, after three generations, at least, of dysfunction and abuse, there is no abuse in this generation.


BTW- KC wants it both ways. She wants to be supported financially, and free to do what she wants 24/7.

Few of us are free to do what we want 24/7. And, most families even healthy ones, won't support a non-contributing member.

I never brought anyone to my house either. Didn't like to talk on the phone from my house because she was listening.

I don't see it listed as a redflag from many sources but if you know a preteen or teen that does not want anyone at their house and bends over backwards to keep their worlds (home/parent and school/friends) from colliding it is a HUGE redflag. And for those that hide the secrets really well it may be the only really visible sign. You can't hide the fact that you don't want anyone at your house.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I don't think we will see the abuse excuse during the defense. They are going to try to argue that the state has not proved his client killed this child, challenge the forensics, and have everyone that said in sworn statements that she was a great mother and they could not imagine her harming Caylee repeat that position for the jury.

The abuse excuse will come when she is convicted. Both sides will layout their case for whether she should or shouldn't be executed. If that jury is minutes away from deciding whether they think Casey should be put to death, her family is not going to defend their own reputations at that moment. I don't think they will say "yes" we abused her (and I doubt they think they did, just like Casey doesn't think she has abused them), but they won't flip out when someone else says it.

Where the abuse excuse is going to blow up in JBs phase is you can't lay out the pretty pictures with smiling Casey and Caylee and say this was a devoted mother who was so clearly in love with her child and then turn around and say that household was soooo toxic it caused Caylee's death.

I think if you look at cases where the jury has cut major slack for abused defendants they were not cases where the abuse is mom controlling them via pursestrings, embarrassing them in front of their friends, and undermining their self esteem. There is zero evidence of sexual abuse or physical abuse. Statistically it will be likely that a juror has had a more abusive upbringing than that.

Impatient I respect your posts a great deal, but do disagree with the last paragraph....I think that there are cases of emotional abuse that are just as devastating as sexual or physical abuse, and I think many people on juries recognize this.

 

[impatientredhead]

She told one boyfriend, that LA "tried to touch her, once, when they were in middle school." She once said that GA abused her (non-specific). She also said that CA abused her.

She never told anyone that she was raped. She was never afraid of GA or LA, and she was never afraid to leave Caylee with either of them.

Then, there is also the fact that KC lied prolifically, including about her family

But, if what KC went through was equivalent to rape, many people on this list were also raped. And, neither have considered murder, nor continue to feel sorry for ourselves, not refuse to be productive.

A lot of people come from dysfunctional, or even abusive homes. Most of them grow up and become productive. The smart ones learn from it, and break the cycle.

bbm- I would venture to guess that there are many women reading this forum that are from severly abusive homes, as well as actual rape survivors, and probably a few that have survived both. I find the comparison offensive personally (no critizing the original author, I am sure that was not the intent).

 

[impatientredhead]

Impatient I respect your posts a great deal, but do disagree with the last paragraph....I think that there are cases of emotional abuse that are just as devastating as sexual or physical abuse, and I think many people on juries recognize this.

I agree with your statement :blowkiss:

I wasn't suggesting one was more heinous than the other. The things from my childhood that scarred me the most were definitely emotional/verbal. I could tell you what happened to me physically and not bat an eye. There are things she said to me that I couldn't get out to repeat them to someone.

I do think physical and sexual is easier to demonstrate to a jury, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of either. Unless there is much unseen evidence of intentional cruelty and sadistic behaviour by George or Cindy I don't think JB is going to be able to demonstrate that type of mentally abusive home.

And I do think there is a good chance of someone being on that jury that was either abused, or a teen mom that got no family support that is going to have the perspective that they would have taken Casey's abusive home over their own in a heartbeat.

 

[impatientredhead]

Don't feel bad. I bought it for over a month.

I think people bought George's suicide situation because there were so few glimpses of real emotion for Caylee throughout the months. George seemed fragile and human in that moment. Cindy got to me in the jailhouse video where she is crying and Casey is basically ridiculing her. She seemed fragile, desperate, and raw. There have been very few moments like that and it seemed genuine. I don't think George was going to kill himself but I do think he was at the end of his rope.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I agree with your statement :blowkiss:

I wasn't suggesting one was more heinous than the other. The things from my childhood that scarred me the most were definitely emotional/verbal. I could tell you what happened to me physically and not bat an eye. There are things she said to me that I couldn't get out to repeat them to someone.

I do think physical and sexual is easier to demonstrate to a jury, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of either. Unless there is much unseen evidence of intentional cruelty and sadistic behaviour by George or Cindy I don't think JB is going to be able to demonstrate that type of mentally abusive home.

And I do think there is a good chance of someone being on that jury that was either abused, or a teen mom that got no family support that is going to have the perspective that they would have taken Casey's abusive home over their own in a heartbeat.

I do get what you're saying about the scars of emotional abuse and agree wholeheartedly. I hope people have come further in their beliefs and knowledge of emotional abuse, but I know some don't equate it to other kinds of trauma. In this case, I don't think any jury is going to give Casey a break because of her childhood, and I don't think they should. I do believe it will be an issue the defense brings up after the guilt phase, as an attempt to keep Casey off Death Row.

 

[Brini]

I do get what you're saying about the scars of emotional abuse and agree wholeheartedly. I hope people have come further in their beliefs and knowledge of emotional abuse, but I know some don't equate it to other kinds of trauma. In this case, I don't think any jury is going to give Casey a break because of her childhood, and I don't think they should. I do believe it will be an issue the defense brings up after the guilt phase, as an attempt to keep Casey off Death Row.

Prolly. That's when most criminals bring it up. I agree.. I don't think it will give KC a break.

Unfortunately. there's nothing that unique about her upbringing. Chances are very good, as IRH stated, that at least one juror has been through the same or worse.