Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

[The Eunice Burns]

Another point which, to me, shows Cindy's own "consciousness of guilt". She KNEW that was Caylee in the trunk. She KNEW she was dead. And she KNEW if she gave Tim an article of her clothing or a blanky or anything that had her scent on it then the likelihood of her body being found was amplified, and she refused to do this. One who truly believed their missing member was alive would never have refused such a request for assistance in the search efforts. They would have HAPPILY provided anything asked of them. The Anthonys did not do this and have continued NOT to do this straight down the line.

GUILTY is written all over all of their actions.

You jogged my memory.... On the Early Show (?, I think) CA in response to the question to GA about Ron Cummings telling the As to stay away, admonishes Ron Cummings by saying something to the affect of "you can't refuse help, no matter where it comes from when you have a missing child". And yet, she treated TM like he was a nuisance. She refused help herself!

 

[The Eunice Burns]

ITA And didn't Cindy say on The Early Show (when she and George were chastizing RC) that the family of someone missing should never turn down any kind of help? She's not just a liar, she's a hypocrite too!:furious:

Oops! I missed your post, and went on to post my own variation of what you said. Sorry for the repetition.........

 

[Just Jayla]

You have hit on it, the seriousness of the ongoing problems that were risked by the lie, so you get a glimpse Casey being Cindy Jr. in stripper boots. People always seem genuinely puzzled at how Casey could tell such easily disprovable lies, now we see this behavior had been all she knew growing up. I think the lies and living as if you believe them did not begin with Casey's pregnancy. My favorite example of how Cindy seemed to buy into her own imagined family view was when she explained in the FBI or LE taped interview how outraged and offended she was when she found Jesse lying (fully clothed) watching TV with Casey when they were only engaged but not legally married yet. My Gram would say that is like closing the hen house door after they have all run out. This kid was going to marry her daughter, knowing there is no way in the world the child was his. Where was her outrage and offense to locate the bio dad and hold him accountable, morally and financially for this child? Instead she was angry with Jesse for lying down with her daughter "in her house", as if her house was honorable and beyond reproach as if she were saying, is nothing sacred. The righteous indignation was so misplaced, even a young boy like Jesse was keenly aware of the irony. He wasn't the one who harmed her daughter, he was the hero that was going to step up for her. This had no value to Cindy, and she emasculated George telling him she (Cindy) would handle it, "He wasn't the man of the house anymore". If this is what was modeled for Casey that you never have a standard that you hold yourself to and respect in others, it explains to me (SOMEWHAT) Casey's promiscuity and how she could betray friends and go through guys like water and find away to lie her way through life. George didn't help either, hiding and lying and hiding and lying that he had gambled and squandered and got caught up in financial schemes and lost their entire life savings and had their home foreclosed on before Cindy had any idea what hit her. That is just the one little gem he admitted to police. One can only imagine what he did day to day to lie about other matters that he deemed lesser. Lying to your spouse, being irresponsible and even living in a dream world these things may very well have contributed to the bad broken moral compass Casey has. Don't be shocked at all if we hear ALL ABOUT IT at the sentencing phase. There are people living in the inner cities with much worse parents than this, fathers who are in prison, mothers who are dope addicts and still, despite everything, they are able to decide to do better by their children. While her problems may be an interesting study, they will be studied while she is indeed in jail. I think their guilt for all that they did keeps them up at night knowing they created the Casey they have in front of them. It is a cautionary tale for parents about children learning what they live.

ITA! CA's attitude about the JG incident was even more misplaced considering that her daughter was close to 20 years old. She shouldn't necessarily approach it the same way as she would a virginal 15 year old in bed with some dude. She called KC some nasty names and got on JG's butt when she was done with KC.
CA reacted as if she were violated (violated.....again- KC's pregnancy was a total violation). She was angry, but not about perceived hanky panky...she was angry that KC was in her home, not really working a full-time gig, not seeking to move out, never went to college, now there's a grand-kid, and some guy on her furniture probably picking out of her fridge, AND SHE WAS OVER IT!
Problem is, as has been posted here, CA did not have the love and guts to tell KC to grow up. She just continued to enable KC and harbor the resentment

As you stated above, they created KC and were too ashamed/lazy/selfish to confront it-Now they have to.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Oops! I missed your post, and went on to post my own variation of what you said. Sorry for the repetition.........

You know---I thought I had read that twice but chocked it up to just being an old lady who can't scroll right. LOL

 

[akashana]

What I can't figure out is where Cindy's "problems" came from...Shirley and Rick, they seem to be good, honest, people. Where's the connection ? I know we don't have enough info, maybe we will one day.

I agree with you re Shirley, but I have a harder time with Rick. It's one thing to have a strong opinion about the way your sister is mishandling that whole situation, and to write her a series of emails in an attempt to open her eyes to what everybody else is seeing, but it's quite another to share those emails publicly and to go on Greta and malign her and her coping methods. I just think there should be more solidarity in a family, more loyalty, than that. And I'm saying that while appreciating his insight into this case, the bird's eye view into their family. I view that as an extreme betrayal of Cindy, and if I were her I could never forgive him.

 

[Searchfortruth]

ITA! CA's attitude about the JG incident was even more misplaced considering that her daughter was close to 20 years old. She shouldn't necessarily approach it the same way as she would a virginal 15 year old in bed with some dude. She called KC some nasty names and got on JG's butt when she was done with KC.
CA reacted as if she were violated (violated.....again- KC's pregnancy was a total violation). She was angry, but not about perceived hanky panky...she was angry that KC was in her home, not really working a full-time gig, not seeking to move out, never went to college, now there's a grand-kid, and some guy on her furniture probably picking out of her fridge, AND SHE WAS OVER IT!
Problem is, as has been posted here, CA did not have the love and guts to tell KC to grow up. She just continued to enable KC and harbor the resentment

As you stated above, they created KC and were too ashamed/lazy/selfish to confront it-Now they have to.

The "on the bed" incident happened after Caylee was born, I bet Cindy was mad as **** that Jesse took that paternity test ! In fact, I sort of think Cindy motivated Casey in sending the text message "I'm pregnant, you're the father". Casey, Cindy and George knew good and well Jesse was not that baby's daddy. Just how low can you get ?

 

[JBean]

am I in the psycholgical profile thread?

 

[MAMABEAR]

am I in the psycholgical profile thread?

Is "Family Psych profile #8". Thank Goodness I don't know the difference. LOL

Are we off topic?
P.S.
Do I need to delete somethin?

 

[Searchfortruth]

Thanks for the hint JBean ! It was a hint wasn't it ?

 

[akashana]

Boldened by me: I so totally agree with you. I've said it from the beginning. The Anthony's act like a family who has been AWARE & hiding a BIG secret, most often being Incest. Like it or not...it is very possible. Part of what makes these types of abuse victims so damaged is being forced to lead a double life. Reality vs. Appearances. In drastic cases it even has the ability to form BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder- much like Scitzophrenea only the "personalities" all know about on another and the victim never has black-outs or loses time) and scitzo-affective disorders. I come from just this type of upbringing. The reality of being sexually abused by a parent first, then a sibling after is almost unbearable and hard to make peace with. Then to have to live a lie daily for YEARS....we'll it will make you crazy. Like it or not. That is what we are all talking about her folks. Cindy & George's behaviours and denials are what has made KC a monster. My personal verdict is that she is insane. The reason I believe so...it would take a mother being insane to do to Caylee what has been done to her. Maybe KC truely WAS raised not to know right from wrong. If her role models acted in these ways, how can we expect any different from her? JMHO

MY BOLD

That's not insanity. That's evil. There's a difference. Legally, there's a huge difference.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Search, IMO, CA really thinks she is persuasive. She has this arrogance and attitude of entitlement that anything she says or does is above reproach. She thinks she's smarter than everyone also and displays a total lack of humility. ( That wink at BC during the depo when she thinks she got it over on Morgan. :yuck: ) It emanates from her in all the interviews w/ the media, LE, and the depos. The toothbrush incident leaps to mind as something she did that most people would not have had the nerve to even contemplate. No sweat. She was entitled to do that, try and throw off LE a little bit and make things easier for KC.

MOO

BBM...(I just learned that one yesterday)

She's not very perceptive at all. I guess I take it for granted that since I can read other people somewhat then other people can too. Being able to understand what other people are thinking without them saying a word by facial expressions, or just knowing what falls within the lines of "reason" and what doesn't. It is very hard for me to grasp the idea that some people don't have that ability.

 

[akashana]

The only reasonable explaination of the absence of the biological father in my opinion is.....maybe Casey was drugged and gang raped, this could explain why she told her mother she couldn't be pregnant because she had to have sex first. MAYBE she has no memory of the sexual encounter. That would explain the father's absence, if he was a rapist, maybe even a date rapist.

IMHO, there's no way. KC would have gotten waaay too much mileage out of that scenario not to have spoken out about it. She would have played that sympathy card dozens, no, hundreds of times to manipulate her family, friends and boyfriends. Remember the alleged "miscarriage" and the public breakdown she had at the party when the supposed baby-daddy showed up? No. KC liked attention, and she sure did like to put on a show. Well, she's got the whole world watching now.

Bring it on, B_ _ _ _!

 

[Searchfortruth]

But, (to add briefly to my earlier post) it's more than not being able to read people. It seems to me there's an inability to feel shame. The shame that comes when you are being dishonest with someone is usually something kids are taught to feel at a young age.

 

[essies]

BBM...(I just learned that one yesterday)

She's not very perceptive at all. I guess I take it for granted that since I can read other people somewhat then other people can too. Being able to understand what other people are thinking without them saying a word by facial expressions, or just knowing what falls within the lines of "reason" and what doesn't. It is very hard for me to grasp the idea that some people don't have that ability.

I think Cindy is just so used to being in control (or she thinks she's in control) of her little circle that she can't grasp that the fact that the rest of the world doesn't react the same and give in! But, like I've said before, we (the rest of the world) have no reason to give in-we are not dependent on her for food and shelter!
So, she just dismisses us as ignorant or misguided! Trust me Cindy-we're not ignorant nor misguided!:furious:

 

[akashana]

I'm sure they'll try to do that, but if we here at WS are representative of the population, a bunch of those jurrors will be mentally snorting and thinking, "I should have had it that good with my parents."

MY BOLD

Thank you! In my work with a non-profit agency, and also in my personal life, I have run across sooo many kids who would have thought they had died and gone to heaven had they been in KC's shoes. And that's counting the dysfunction in the Anthony home.

In my opinion, nothing there was that tragically bad. If it was, she would have left and gotten an apartment with a friend and found a job and made it work without them. The fact that she willingly stayed speaks loud volumes to me!

 

[akashana]

Where were all the friends, family co workers July 17 08 and afterwards to give support/help? There was nothing to fear back then. The only family members, SP and RP weren't exactly giving glowing compliments and praises either.

The only people who came close to supporting CA/GA directly were the Milsteads and some loony wannabes.

The people who did help search were there to help and support T Miller, not the A clan directly since CA refused to assist Tim in his search efforts. :furious:

Exactly! Most people have some sort of support system that they can turn to in dire need. I have an extremely small family, but know that I could rouse support from at least a few signifigant friends. If this happened to me, I would turn to them for succor, support, comfort, and I am a private person who finds it exceedingly difficult to ask others for help. But if I had a missing grandchild, I would no longer have pride. I would turn to those closest to me, ask them to ask their friends, etc. for help searching. And I believe that I wouldn't actually have to ask, that those who care about me would volunteer their time, or donate search equipment or sponsor searches. But we didn't see this with the As. What about Cindy's co-workers? This was a long held job, not like George with his flash-in-a-pan employment. Where were they? Did they offer help? Was it rejected? What about George's family? Doesn't his father live in FL now too? Even if you had disagreements in the past, often the worst of times can strengthen familial bonds.

I witnessed this with families after Hurricane Katrina, people coming together and sharing a home in the wake of the disaster, overlooking petty bs that had caused rifts before. So where were all these folks? Either there were none, and why? Or they were rebuffed by the Anthonys.

 

[RR0004]

Exactly! Most people have some sort of support system that they can turn to in dire need. I have an extremely small family, but know that I could rouse support from at least a few signifigant friends. If this happened to me, I would turn to them for succor, support, comfort, and I am a private person who finds it exceedingly difficult to ask others for help. But if I had a missing grandchild, I would no longer have pride. I would turn to those closest to me, ask them to ask their friends, etc. for help searching. And I believe that I wouldn't actually have to ask, that those who care about me would volunteer their time, or donate search equipment or sponsor searches. But we didn't see this with the As. What about Cindy's co-workers? This was a long held job, not like George with his flash-in-a-pan employment. Where were they? Did they offer help? Was it rejected? What about George's family? Doesn't his father live in FL now too? Even if you had disagreements in the past, often the worst of times can strengthen familial bonds.

I witnessed this with families after Hurricane Katrina, people coming together and sharing a home in the wake of the disaster, overlooking petty bs that had caused rifts before. So where were all these folks? Either there were none, and why? Or they were rebuffed by the Anthonys.

I believe those that were closest to them could not openly embrace that Caylee was, in fact, missing. If you weren't towing the party line, you probably were cut loose. We often wondered why no one stepped forward at the time Caylee was reported "gone". The only person I can remember who did so was Holly their neighbor. Rev. G tried to reach out to them, but he was rebuffed as well. No doubt anyone who knew what was going on...knew the Casey stories...was no longer considered a friend or acquaintance. I believe there was such a cycle of abuse going on in that household that I can't help but feel there was some sense of relief when Casey first left the house.

 

[akashana]

Or maybe the guy was married then and still is. It could be as simple as that.

If some married guy was Caylee's daddy, I pity his poor wife. Because I don't see KC ever leaving them alone! It's right up her alley - drama, pathos, passion on a grand scale, love denied. She never would have agreed to remain silent unless there was a huge monetary payout. And if some baby daddy was footing the bills, she would have no need to steal from family and friends and certainly would not have continued to live with G&C. IMHO as always.

 

[The World According]

To me the very fact that Cindy DID consider that shows her own consciousness of guilt. She knows her daughter is guilty and she is willing to lie to assist in the cover-up at every turn. She is pathetic really, in her self-image. She believes she is powerful and she is weak. She believes she is influential and she lacks ANY influence whatsoever. She believes she is knowledgeable and yet lacks wisdom. She believes that her own personal ideology of "make it LOOK good from the outside in" is meaningful when it is completely without merit. She believes she is honorable when she is actually completely lacking the basics of sheer dignity. What SHE believes is her own mistruths(LIES is what the rest of us call them) and her own fantasy that she has created within her own mind.

She could have been powerful-and influential-and wise and dignified and honest. These are within each one of us and attainable by a mere choice. Her choices brought her and her entire family here, to this terrible place, where a young woman thinks that all she has to do is to tell a pack of lies and allow mommy and daddy to clean up the mess for her. Unfortunately, this is one mess unto which mistruths and misdeeds can only increase the agony and the shame. The truth would have brought them honor, although it would have also brought them pain. I think they are too far gone to ever even consider this concept: the truth shall set you free.

I agree that it demonstrates a knowledge of Casey's guilt. When I was a child I was spanked for telling lies and I can guarantee you that even the word "mistruths" would have gotten me extra! Just the word represents a pshyc. problem. I think if you had to point to one clue of Cindy's enabling it would be that word.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Seems like I member GA's family did show up at the very beginning?