Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[Nore]

Don't anyone jump on me here....but I actually feel sorry for the poor baby killer...she has NO ONE....not even a preacher standing by her for her soul...no one...Her attorneys are dumb and certainly not getting rich at what they hoped would be a big newsworthy crime (NOT..anymore)...her parents are crazy...she hasn't a friend in the world....should someone help redeem her? Or does she just get lost in the Florida prison system? End this despicable travesty now....someone looking out for her soul should counsel her to confess...NOW...so she can start some sort of redemptive life, acknowledging what she has done..."confession is good for the soul." Maybe she can have some sort of purposeful behind bars...its been done before..

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Hi Pattymarie, KC was offered visitation by Clergy. She refused saying she'd talk with her Lawyer.This was when the remains were found.I dont have the link but I am sure many posters will remember the article.O/T one thing that has always bothered me,LP. said when KC was released on bond the family never spoke of Caylee at home.Why cant they visit her now and speak of things other than the case? I dont think she wants anyone there.IMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I am guessing it is part of the law that says if she has a private attorney and not a public defender that only expenses will be paid by the state not fees.
The news article linked above stated this: "If Strickland signs the order, Florida taxpayers will pick up the bill for the defense costs, but not the defense fees."
So, if Jose hangs in there, it will just be for publicity and experience??? I am a small business owner and I know I can't take jobs for free. The only way would be for some really GOOD publicity. I don't think Jose is getting that from this case.

RBBM. It will be interesting to see what the state considers the difference between the "defense costs" and the "defense fees." I am married to a defense contractor and I can tell you that there are many instances that this line is very, very blurry. For example, does AL and the rest of the "experts" fly coach or first class? Yuck! I am telling you I am going to write someone before I pay one penny for this!

 

[LFlorida]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/02/is-casey-anthonys-team-running.html

[copy & paste of excerpt dated 2/17/2010]
The announcement by the spokeswoman for Casey Anthony's defense that she has resigned is raising questions about whether the accused child killer's team is running low on cash.

Marti Mackenzie, a well-known public relations executive, offered no explanation for why she was leaving the case. But high-profile Orlando attorney Mark Nejame says it does make him wonder.

"That would be one of the first places you would look (if money is running out)," Nejame told WDBO. "That's just a luxury and maybe a determination has been made that too much has been spent already."

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[sorry if y'all already knew about this. Would explain some of the costs, I reckon.]

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok - I'm going to play the "what if" game here -

What if the court MAKES her get a public defender and ole JB is out the door. Would said PD then try to "plea her out" for: a) cost of a lengthy trial, and/or b) because its kinda useless to defend someone who is guilty - much less in a "worldwide publicized" case such as this, has become?

Now if the PD can get a plea deal and take the DP off the table and she gets LWOP. I don't like that either, although it would probably be cheaper for the taxpayers in the long run. I truly believe this "mother of the year" should get the DP.

And then there's IF the DP gets a plea - will she or won't she take it? We all know her "stubborness" and how she is totally committed to the "I didn't do it" stance. So it really doesn't matter either way - the taxpayers are going to pay for this trial.

Now, lets move on to JB - "what if" the court gives her a PD - that takes JB "off the hook", if you will. Does that now "free him up" to "write the book, screenplay, whatever" and really reap the $$$$$$?

I believe the Florida taxpayers are caught between a rock and a hard spot here. And in this economy - it truly does stink!

 

[faefrost]

Respecfully, Kimmer, you must be able to afford to say this because you don't live in Florida. Am I right? I say, as a Florida resident, she should now be required to accept one of our state's public defenders. She is not special. It will rip a new one in my heart if I have to fund JB and AL's expenses!!! I'm not being dramatic when I say there are a million other charities to which I would rather contribute!!!!! :furious:

Maybe the lawyers on the board can step in and correct me on this, but unless I am mistaken I don't think that the state would have to pay a dime to any of KC's current attorneys, at least not as fees for services. AL signed on pro bono. JB signed on knowing what the case was and apparently accepted a large and reasonably appropriate fee for his services. Now unless he negotioated a specifically higher fee, is he not basically stuck for the duration unless KC specifically chooses to let him go? So why give him a dime of public money? The only costs the state would be responsible for would be some reasonable (and fairly well defined, most states learned their lessons from he Brian Nichols fiasco) expences for depositions, witness accomodations and some (not everyone their hearts desire) expert witnesses.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I am not sure she will be able to get anymore celebri-experts onboard, though I imagine the experts, like Dr. Lee, that have seen evidence already, will have to appear for her if the defense subpoena's him/them.
Looks like AL is working the case for peanuts anyway, why would she leave now? And I don't think she can leave without extenuating circumstance...
It is hard to swallow that Floridians should have to pay for her, but there may be a tiny, thin silver lining-The defense will no longer have any excuse to not move forward with depos and reciprocal discovery. Once the defense is funded, they will have no reason for not progressing and being ready by May 2011.

If they do get their hands on taxpayer money, I sincerely hope it tips the scale of public opinion and some solid legislation is put in place to prevent this disgusting prifiteering, fame-seeking and money-making off of the celebrity of a murdered child. (Longest run on sentence in history...)

This just simply makes me nauseous...I really feel sick about this. Remembering the thousands of volunteers searching in the hot sun (now maligned by the defense) while Casey dashes into Baez' office with the backpack FULL of Caylee pics to sell for profit. What an amazing juxtaposition between the defense's focus (40 hours a week of 'meetings' with Baez while Casey was on 'house arrest') and decent hard working people trying to find a little girl.

I just have to put my faith in Judge S. I can't see her being able to have the resources she has/has had and then being able to double dip and have her way with public funds.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Reading the Orlando Sentinel Blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...asks-state-to-pick-up-costs-wkmg-reports.html

This request would not affect the attorneys’ fees, Pipitone said.

We'll have to wait to see the motion itself to know the details, but it seems to me that the defense is asking for expenses and not attorney fees. That would mean that Baez could stay and be paid privately (how???).

Otherwise, IIRC, defense attorneys already on the case would be paid per Florida statute and I doubt that it would be enough to keep Baez happy.

If true, how can Casey be indigent for paying for the expenses, yet have money to pay him?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

How strangely convenient that Terry L. has an entire page dedicated to that topic.

http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/the-cost-of-a-life-representing-the-indigent-accused-of-crimes-in-florida-courts-today/

OMGosh, great find, SOTS. This is not right either! There has to be someone to defend her.

 

[mitzi]

Yes, we need lawyer input like yesterday because this just frightens me. If the judge passes this, does this mean they can dip into the, what, millions the state has set aside for indigent costs and spend as much as they want on experts and the like? So she can get her OJ defense? This just doesn't seem FAIR at all!

Can the judge make her take a public defender? I really hope that's the case, because if it's not, I'm going to be really nervous at the thought of them having all the money they want to do what they want and possibly get her less of a sentence or even a walk.

Honestly, I don't want them going from having NOTHING to getting whatever they want. I don't like this. I don't like this ONE BIT. I really hope I'm misunderstanding it...

And WTF has Jose done with almost 90,000 bucks in fees? He can't use some of that to cover other costs? Or maybe he's put it in an offshore account and has a plane standing by to escape as soon as he can, lol.

Bold mine.

Or maybe Todd is holding the 90K for JB in Mexico, and after KC takes a plea, JB will helicoptor down to Mexico and romp on the beach together, hand in hand with Toddie. LOL :crazy:

 

[Aedrys]

Bold mine.

Or maybe Todd is holding the 90K for JB in Mexico, and after KC takes a plea, JB will helicoptor down to Mexico and romp on the beach together, hand in hand with Toddie. LOL :crazy:

OMG! MY EYES ARE BURNING!!!!!

No one needs to see Baez's white butt jiggling as he runs down the beach...oh crap I just made it worse!!!!!

MAKE IT STOP! I retract what I said! lol!

 

[mitzi]

Andrea >> pro bono >> $22.5k

She must have expensive taste in... what in the world? What the heck could she have spent $22.5k on?

Never mind - doesn't matter. I just hope that Judge Stan will have an accountant/auditor go through these "expenses" with a fine tooth comb and then sanctions every professional and every business that inflated their charges. Then the Fla. Bar needs to investigate every one of them and lift licenses if they are trying to rip off the Courts.

Jose' probably has never even grossed over $100k in a year. Wasn't he pretty much a law journal subscription service salesman until about 2 yrs ago? [Sorry, I didn't follow this case.]

grrr......

Bold mine....matching "Mother"-Daughter blouses for the courtroom?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Don't anyone jump on me here....but I actually feel sorry for the poor baby killer...she has NO ONE....not even a preacher standing by her for her soul...no one...Her attorneys are dumb and certainly not getting rich at what they hoped would be a big newsworthy crime (NOT..anymore)...her parents are crazy...she hasn't a friend in the world....should someone help redeem her? Or does she just get lost in the Florida prison system? End this despicable travesty now....someone looking out for her soul should counsel her to confess...NOW...so she can start some sort of redemptive life, acknowledging what she has done..."confession is good for the soul." Maybe she can have some sort of purposeful behind bars...its been done before..

I just can't get past the "baby killer" part myself. Tried to find reasons to excuse her and found none. Maybe that's why she's alone now. And in redemption and soulful things, sometimes people have to hit their own deep bottom before they find the need for that. When they really do, there is always someone there to guide them. He sees to that. MOO!!!!!

 

[Just Jayla]

Don't anyone jump on me here....but I actually feel sorry for the poor baby killer...she has NO ONE....not even a preacher standing by her for her soul...no one...Her attorneys are dumb and certainly not getting rich at what they hoped would be a big newsworthy crime (NOT..anymore)...her parents are crazy...she hasn't a friend in the world....should someone help redeem her? Or does she just get lost in the Florida prison system? End this despicable travesty now....someone looking out for her soul should counsel her to confess...NOW...so she can start some sort of redemptive life, acknowledging what she has done..."confession is good for the soul." Maybe she can have some sort of purposeful behind bars...its been done before..

She has a pastor in the jail that she has seen on a few occassions-Problem is, her sociopathy will not allow her to take personal responsibility, which is the only way she can really save her soul, IMO.

 

[Gracenote]

She's not 1st chair, is she? [IDK, real question]

They aren't going to be getting more "dream team" professionals on board, I don't think. Whoever defends her will probably have no choice but to argue some kooky, ridiculous defense. Who wants to argue one of those in front of an international audience? The experts' reputations and credibility could be destroyed if they do some presto-magic-o manipulation (spin) of the evidence.

Sounds like it's a sinking ship and the rats are scrambling onto the flotsam.

btw - in case you can't tell, Poster LFlorida is not an attorney. The hiring of an attorney is a serious decision, yadayadayada.

LOL love your disclaimer (the opinions of this poster do not represent those of WS or it's affiliates. If you are currently in jail for murder, contact an attorney and do not rely on LFlorida for legal advice. But she can always tell you what shoes go with what outfit and she makes a fabulous creme brulee.)

I agree with you, though. Who wants to stand up on Court tv and say "um my client gave her daughter to a nanny, or to a meter reader or maybe to her ex fiance and one of them might have kidnapped her. Possibly. She isn't saying. "

 

[Just Jayla]

If they do get their hands on taxpayer money, I sincerely hope it tips the scale of public opinion and some solid legislation is put in place to prevent this disgusting prifiteering, fame-seeking and money-making off of the celebrity of a murdered child. (Longest run on sentence in history...)

This just simply makes me nauseous...I really feel sick about this. Remembering the thousands of volunteers searching in the hot sun (now maligned by the defense) while Casey dashes into Baez' office with the backpack FULL of Caylee pics to sell for profit. What an amazing juxtaposition between the defense's focus (40 hours a week of 'meetings' with Baez while Casey was on 'house arrest') and decent hard working people trying to find a little girl.

I just have to put my faith in Judge S. I can't see her being able to have the resources she has/has had and then being able to double dip and have her way with public funds.

You've reminded me of the Levi Johnston child support case in Alaska-Levi's lawyers argued for low support because, being that he is a flash in the pan, his newly gained money is not endless, and prior to his "fame" he basically made minimum wage.
But the judge found (my interpretation) that since he was able to make this money recently, he should find a way to continue making better wages in the future-After all, he does have Hollywood/media resources that the rest of us don't have, the judge bascially told him, through his judgement, that he will have to find a way to work it. (Hopefully with his clothes on!)
I wish Judge S. could look at this he same way, but at the same time, do we really want KC paying for her defense with blood money?

 

[cyberborg]

LOL love your disclaimer (the opinions of this poster do not represent those of WS or it's affiliates. If you are currently in jail for murder, contact an attorney and do not rely on LFlorida for legal advice. But she can always tell you what shoes go with what outfit and she makes a fabulous creme brulee.)

I agree with you, though. Who wants to stand up on Court tv and say "um my client gave her daughter to a nanny, or to a meter reader or maybe to her ex fiance and one of them might have kidnapped her. Possibly. She isn't saying. "

But to go with invisi-money for the Defense KC also has a powerful list of eye witnesses on her side, such as JMH, Zach, Juliette, Samantha, Gloria, etc.

Maybe as well as file for indigency KC is going to request that the State also provide some witnesses for her trial and character witnesses as well! That's the ticket, rather than the Defense provide a witness list the State has over 100+ so KC will just co-opt some of those to defend her.

After all, she has been grounded now, she got the message, she concedes that this is a crime that she did not do and would never do and this has all been such a waste, a huge waste so ..... why not let her go home now? Absolutely!

The State can fix it for me.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Maybe the lawyers on the board can step in and correct me on this, but unless I am mistaken I don't think that the state would have to pay a dime to any of KC's current attorneys, at least not as fees for services. AL signed on pro bono. JB signed on knowing what the case was and apparently accepted a large and reasonably appropriate fee for his services. Now unless he negotioated a specifically higher fee, is he not basically stuck for the duration unless KC specifically chooses to let him go? So why give him a dime of public money? The only costs the state would be responsible for would be some reasonable (and fairly well defined, most states learned their lessons from he Brian Nichols fiasco) expences for depositions, witness accomodations and some (not everyone their hearts desire) expert witnesses.

Thank you. From your keyboard to God's ear!

 

[Bathbuddys]

So giving this more thought.........I would like an attorney to weigh in on this.

KC filed for indigent status prior to Jose Baez being retained. Shortly thereafter......JB was brought on and the indigent status was a moot point.

AL made very specific statements during the check fraud hearing suggesting her client file indigent status.

My question......because KC already filed as indigent....would the court require she complete a new application or would they use the original. I am trying to determine if this was possibly part of the plan from the early stages.

Yes it was a plan from the beginning but it wouldn't have worked unless she paid Baez money first before filing as she has THE RIGHT to keep her attorney. ugh. I so hate the laws more for the defense.
IF she "retained" him before she had no money, the state will have to pay for her trial now.....

 

[The World According]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA3c3TWWMJs[/ame]

(excerpt from pp. 70 – 71 0f rough draft of deposition given by James Hoover to John Morgan on 3/25/2009 in the civil suit by Zenaida Gonzales against Casey Anthony)

9 Q In the course of your time spent here as a
10 public citizen volunteering, did you ever come to
11 understand that ABC news had given the Anthonys or José
12 Baez money?
13 A I didn't know that to be a fact, no, sir.
14 Q Have you heard that?
15 A I heard -- I had heard that -- oh, that money
16 was given to the Anthonys, no, no, sir.
17 Q To anyone?
18 A Uhm, I had heard that money had been given to
19 the attorney for some individual -- I don't know if it
20 was given to the attorney or to Casey for some videos
21 that was on ABC news.
22 Q José Baez received money?
23 A Yes, sir, I think so. I heard that. I don't
24 know for sure.
25 Q Hearsay?
Rough Draft - 71
1 A Yes, sir.
2 Q Was it 200,000 dollars? Was that number you
3 heard?
4 A 200 or 225. I heard both numbers.
5 Q Was paid to José Baez by ABC News?
6 A Yes, sir.
7 Q And what was your understanding that that
8 money was paid for?
9 A Some videotapes that were released.
10 Q Okay.
11 A Again, hearsay.
12 Q Of course. Who told you that?
13 A Dominic Casey.
14 Q Pretty good hearsay.

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[ExpectingUnicorns]

Okay, here we go from: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/3/5/caseys_defense_seeks_state_subsidy.html

Her legal team said its costs have gone up substantially, since the state decided to pursue the death penalty.

They said they need the state's help to pay for travel, serving subpoenas, hiring experts and depositions.

Anthony’s lawyers said the assistance is needed to subsidize their costs, especially since they have to interview more than 100 people on the prosecution's witness list.

In addition, they said they have to investigate thousands of tips and analyze complex forensic evidence.
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So when JB took this grand case on he had no realistic expectations of the cost? "Costs have gone up." Pumpernickel! He was unprepared. He took it on for the fame; why should anyone else have to pay?