Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[yosande]

Several of KC's friends stated she was a good mother to Caylee (didn't ever hurt her or yell at her). So, I'm sure it's hard for them to believe she would kill her. Don't you think? Even though that's where all the evidence points ... I don't have any evidence that her friends are in denial about her guilt, however. Sorry for mis-stating that...

AH didn't think she was that great a mom for putting her on the couch during their parties. She didn't think it was right, and mentions one time when Caylee wakes up and is scared. Also TonE has to tell KC that his apt isn't a good place to bring Caylee. RM states that Caylee slept in the same bed with them, and he didn't see anything wrong with that. With her unquenchable need for sex, I think most people would see something wrong with that. Then there's LG who attempts to state that she thought KC was a good mom but it falls flat. Some of her friends didn't even notice Caylee was around or pay any attention to her at all which is why it seemed they weren't concerned when she wasn't there anymore. jmo

 

[yosande]

Right, and that would definitely suggest obstruction of justice, except that they scrubbed the car before they even knew Caylee was missing! If I got my car back and it stunk, I would attempt to clean it as well. IIRC, they didn't KNOW Caylee was missing until 7/15 when CA confronted KC and demanded to see Caylee. That was several weeks after they got the car back. Up until that point, they were buying her BS about the nanny.

So, when CA confronts KC about the car, and the stolen money, she still isn't focusing on Caylee yet. She's still somewhat believes the nanny BS. When KC finally admits Caylee is gone, and she hasn't seen her for a month, CA FREAKS and calls 911. And the horror in her voice is just not something you can fake.


CA's crime is gullibility.

You are wrong there zingo. However, it was hours. They got the car home around 1:30 on July 15th and then both of them went to work. They had opened the doors, windows, whatever to air it out. I don't know but think that CA probably put the pants in the washer after work around 5. This is when she finds AH phone #, and calls her. I don't think they "cleaned" the car much as there wasn't time to do much before CA had found the # and was in pursuit of KC. And yes you are correct imo that they didn't know Caylee was missing at that point. They didn't find out until the third 911 call around 10pm that night. CA is telling GA she is missing during the third 911 call. The doc dump today also show she calls her boss around 10:30 after the first responding officer shows up. We also know she calls AH around that time as well. No one knew Caylee was missing except KC until around 10pm on July 15th. Well, really missing that is. Before that the gps thought KC was just keeping Caylee away from them, and they didn't know why.
Also imo CA isn't concerned about the car or the money. She wanted Caylee. She was just using that as an excuse in an attempt to scare KC into taking her to Caylee. Ca had been concerned about Caylee for quite awhile. July 3rd myspace at the very least shows her concern. LA telling KC how their mom as been going through hell worrying about Caylee, and GA mentions it as well. CA had been concerned about Caylee for quite some time, and bugged KC daily to bring Caylee home from around the third week in June during the Nanny's car accident. She didn't go on a scheduled trip to see her in-laws because she was expecting KC to bring Caylee back. I don't understand how anyone can dismiss CA and GA concern for Caylee, and how frustrating it is to be the grandparents with no say whatsoever. I really don't understand how people can write such horrible accusations against them at all. jmo

 

[Oakley]

Right, and that would definitely suggest obstruction of justice, except that they scrubbed the car before they even knew Caylee was missing! If I got my car back and it stunk, I would attempt to clean it as well. IIRC, they didn't KNOW Caylee was missing until 7/15 when CA confronted KC and demanded to see Caylee. That was several weeks after they got the car back. Up until that point, they were buying her BS about the nanny.

So, when CA confronts KC about the car, and the stolen money, she still isn't focusing on Caylee yet. She's still somewhat believes the nanny BS. When KC finally admits Caylee is gone, and she hasn't seen her for a month, CA FREAKS and calls 911. And the horror in her voice is just not something you can fake.

CA's crime is gullibility.

(Bold is mine) By the time they retrieved the car, they knew Caylee was missing for 30 days! Cindy posted on FB on July 3 that her Caylee was gone and she was heart broken. They had to have known something was amiss when they smelled decomp in the car, which both George and Cindy stated they recognized the smell.

 

[yosande]

I so totally agree with your remarks on manipulation! Very astute! Psychopaths are like hypnotists- directing the conversation, directing the attitudes of everyone. Very subtly. They can size up the situation in a moment, which is what the perp did.

Everything she did was to control the conversation and to direct it away from anything remotely useful or controversial. She could see her parents' expressions, see their suspicions, see them weakening. She played the family card, the victim card when she saw them drifting a little away from the script she wanted for them, and finally the rage card to snap them back in line. And they followed like sheep.

George at one point mentions how the perp is running the show inside as she did when she was outside, that she's the boss. I found this very telling. She quickly agrees with him, as if it's a given! And then redirects him to her frustration that she has lost that control. It's all smoke and mirrors. She continues to be in control even when she is out of control.

One of my abnormal psych profs stated that drug addicts tended to exhibit psychopathic traits. So this fits in very well with your observations of your brother. I am glad he is doing so well, btw- very courageous.

This entire visit struck me as bizarre. They don't talk like normal people, like normal families do. They assess and reassess and dissect their relationship as if trying to convince each other of its strength, thanks to the perp. In effect, it's an exercise in "bonding". The truth is irrelevant. The perp also plays one off against another, and they don't even see it. She's got them eating out of her hand, like the skilled manipulator she is.

I do, however, believe that they covered up a lot but that's another post.

Thank you so much for this post. I found it both educational and enlightening.
TYVM!

 

[DotsEyes]

You tell me how neither of the A's noticed the missing Pooh blanket or noticed a very new one and I'll stop believing intentional cover-up and obstruction of justice. Tell me how the denim skirt/skort and pink shirt ended up back in Caylee's closet but neither one noticed. Tell me how other items of Caylee's clothes were found with the body but were never identified as missing by either of them. Tell me why CA didn't walk to her bathroom to get Caylee's brush. Tell me why GA's first thought at the smell was "I hope this isn't my Caylee".

GA says he turned the car on. He would have seen that the gas gauge read correctly. The car had 3/8 of a tank. Oh sure, he poured gas into the car, but it wasn't out of gas. Forensics tells us this. The gauge was working properly. His little gas cans wouldn't fill the car to 3/8 of a tank.

At this split second in time he knows that the car did not run out of gas, it stinks like a dead body and it has been sitting right here for 2 weeks because it had been in Amscot's lot for 3 days, which then means KC has had no car all this time and has been lying about her and Caylee's whereabouts. DING! DING! DING! The bells had to have been going off.

They took the battery out of the car so she could not come and get it. Then CA went to work, told the whole story of the day and assured everyone that she would look into it when she got home, later and after hearing KC's explanation. GA went to work too. He didn't get home until CA was on the phone at the 3rd 911 call.

They needed time to think before reacting to the obvious?

How did GA drive the car home and not stink like the car?

After all of this they find her shacked up with some guy they never heard of, learn that she has been living with him for the entire time, without Caylee or a car, stealing from friends they never met and instead of calling LE to find the baby, CA plays around with threats of bringing other charges. All the while, the dead-body-stinking Pontiac is in the garage and they do not know where Caylee is.

What is killing them is that she has not admitted that it was an accident and they are coming to terms with her intent. The "little" lies and "fibs" they told were in hope that there was some salvation in this tragedy and that this was a horrible accident and a panicked KC. But, they can see for themselves, it was no accident. Look at her!

She won! Whatever sickness was in her head and home, she won. She destroyed everyone. Mom is begging her, she is laughing. Dad is talking so nice now, she thinks he is putty in her hands. Lee is running around with a notebook like an idiot, looking for something he can never find. They are all paying a lot of attention to her now and as long as they don't ask her ANY questions, she will allow them to talk to her and to see her on closed circuit tv. She does not want to be bothered with anymore questions! There are some she does not yet have an answer to, such as "why didn't you go back for the car?"

 

[bobodedoo]

well someone definitely murdered Caylee, it's unbelievable anyway you look at it. God bless that child. I hope they get the right person.

Oh, they got the right person already and she's sitting in lockup as we speak. I just find it unbelievable that anyone still believes that it's possibly KC did not do this or that someone else was punishing her for something and tried to make it look like she did it.

 

[tx_Dot]

Casey to GA - "We need to stick together on this" and GA responded "We are going to stick together"


(translating for KC) "I've told the nanny story, & you (as always) need to believe it & back up everything I say."

(translating for GA) Yes, sweetheart we believe you but we need more info to help you.

(GA doesn't tell her of his suspicions starting July 15th that he's already reported to LE)

 

[BetsyB]

kc also said that 'I need to look like a victim'...............huh????

This struck me, too. I can understanding bemoaning, "I'm a victim, too!" under ..well, slightly different circumstances. But to state that one must look like a victim?

Appearances are very important to the A family. I come from a similar one (scarily similar), and appearance was/(is still to some) more important than reality. If you fake it long enough, and people believe it long enough, it convinces you that things are okay.

They "have to stick together" because their dynamic is so unlike the rest of society's.

 

[Zingo]

(Bold is mine) By the time they retrieved the car, they knew Caylee was missing for 30 days! Cindy posted on FB on July 3 that her Caylee was gone and she was heart broken. They had to have known something was amiss when they smelled decomp in the car, which both George and Cindy stated they recognized the smell.

Yes, but for all that time CA believed Caylee was with KC!

When she finally realized KC didn't have Caylee, she completely freaked.

And, just because the parents were slow to believe Caylee had been harmed, and slow to indict their daughter in what everybody on the outside believes is so obvious, doesn't mean they were actively covering up for KC!

They could not bring themselves to actually believe their daughter would kill their granddaughter. And can we really blame them for that??????? Our minds ignore facts when the facts become too painful to consider.

For 30 days, CA reached out to KC, and yes, she was heartbroken and desperate to see Caylee. But once she realized Caylee was REALLY gone (apparently kidnapped, according to KC), she entered the panicked, "circling the wagons" phase, trying to protect KC and find Caylee. She went actively into complete DENIAL.

It makes complete sense to me ... And, sorry, but these accusations that the grandparents actively covered for KC or knew about the murder, are in my opinion, completely illogical. Anything they did to cover for KC was the result of grief, loss and denial.

MOO ...

 

[tiredofthis]

(Bold is mine) By the time they retrieved the car, they knew Caylee was missing for 30 days! Cindy posted on FB on July 3 that her Caylee was gone and she was heart broken. They had to have known something was amiss when they smelled decomp in the car, which both George and Cindy stated they recognized the smell.

Exactly! They knew something was seriously wrong. When GA first smelled the car he whispered "Please, let it not by my Caylee" or something along those lines. GA knew it was human decomposition he was smelling. I believe the car was cleaned and the pants were washed to destroy evidence, plain and simple.

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

They could not bring themselves to actually believe their daughter would kill their granddaughter. And can we really blame them for that??????? Our minds ignore facts when the facts become too painful to consider.

I absolutely agree with this. Your mind sometimes will "protect" you from things that are too horrific or painful.

My cousin found her sister who died in her sleep. She stopped over to see her after work one day and found her dead (she was just 39 years old) my cousin did not call 911 (her sister was very obviously had been dead for hours) she called her dad, then she went around and straightened up, she did the dishes, busy work, she remembers nothing of anything of this. She just shut down. My uncle found her doing dishes like nothing was wrong at all.

I think C&A (especially CA) immediatley went into a denial mode, thinking and believing there had to be some other explination.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

So are we thinking that KC killed Caylee in the home late on the 15th into the morning of the 16th and that GA and CA found out? And their first instinct was to cover up for KC out of habit at first. So they quickly decided that CA would have to go to work on the 16th, GA too only later. That the morning of the 16th GA told KC where to put her until they could think it thru and come up with a plan? If they did know about it on the 15/16 I think that is a master plan to have KC leave, pretending to take Caylee with her for 31 days before they reported it. And the dumping of the car was planned and CA knew at some point she'd have to make an emotional call to 911 at some point? Are we thinking along these lines? If not what. Just throwing ideas around here. Not saying I am believing this but think it is worth discussing. MOO

Wow - that is one of DH's theories that he has had all along. I think there is a lot of merit here. The only thing I hesitate on is, it seems like KC would have been screaming about this to get out of jail. But, DH says it is all a plan/scam. The Anthony's have made a lot on this and will make more. And that KC thinks even if she ends up in prison, although she thinks she will get off, she won't due much time and will be young, rich and famous when she gets out.

 

[zoey]

Yes, but for all that time CA believed Caylee was with KC!

When she finally realized KC didn't have Caylee, she completely freaked.

And, just because the parents were slow to believe Caylee had been harmed, and slow to indict their daughter in what everybody on the outside believes is so obvious, doesn't mean they were actively covering up for KC!

They could not bring themselves to actually believe their daughter would kill their granddaughter. And can we really blame them for that??????? Our minds ignore facts when the facts become too painful to consider.

For 30 days, CA reached out to KC, and yes, she was heartbroken and desperate to see Caylee. But once she realized Caylee was REALLY gone (apparently kidnapped, according to KC), she entered the panicked, "circling the wagons" phase, trying to protect KC and find Caylee. She went actively into complete DENIAL.

It makes complete sense to me ... And, sorry, but these accusations that the grandparents actively covered for KC or knew about the murder, are in my opinion, completely illogical. Anything they did to cover for KC was the result of grief, loss and denial.

MOO ...

did you ever read that email ca sent to larry g???? she even admitted in an interview she gave the FBI/LE the WRONG brush--and then gave the brush they wanted to defense....I don't think they were involved in the actual death of Caylee but most certainly afterwards....I realize they did love Caylee but they have crossed the line --- they knew ---

 

[Pondering Mind]

Exactly! They knew something was seriously wrong. When GA first smelled the car he whispered "Please, let it not by my Caylee" or something along those lines. GA knew it was human decomposition he was smelling. I believe the car was cleaned and the pants were washed to destroy evidence, plain and simple.

ITA! That and Cindy's 911 call about the car smelling like a dead body tells me that they KNEW that something was terribly wrong from the get-go. Maybe hoping against hope that they were wrong, but they had to know that Casey had the answers. They can do all the backpeddling that they want too, but their first statements say it all IMO.

 

[Mr. E]

I mean if they were trying to cover up for KC (and I am not saying I believe this, I am just playing devil's advocate) of course Lee and Ca would have to "pretend they were trying to get info"- it'd be obvious if they didn't. But honestly when I watch all the jail video visits, I have actually thought even CA acts so much calmer than I would. I mean if my kid was missing I would be running in circles, tearing my hair out, falling on the floor and screaming "where is my kid? where is my kid?". Ya know? Moo

I know somebody whose child disappeared when he was four years old. It took her moments to freak out. Within mintues, after she couldn't find her son, she had called the police and was calling neighbors and friends. They all rallied together and began searching -- driving around, walking the neighborhood -- and they found her son in a park. It wasn't a good situation, and it could have ended very badly if they hadn't acted so quickly.

When I watch the jailhouse video, KC seems totally unconcerned about Caylee. Even when CA says something like, "Everybody's looking for her. Do you think we'll find her?" KC's answer, something like, "I don't know, Mom, I hope so," is so dull and emotionless.

When I think of this person I know who lost her four-year-old son for just minutes, and her panic and need to find him compared with KC's attitude of "Oh, my child is missing? Oh, someone murdered my child?" It's sickening.

I agree with the cover up. GA and CA may not have known about Caylee at the beginning, but I think they know now and are protecting (for whatever twisted reason) KC.

 

[Hisimage]

kc also said that 'I need to look like a victim'...............huh????

You know I was wondering about this statement too. What the heck is that suppose to mean. I don't recall the response to that. Does anybody remember who responded and what was said?

 

[elle1919]

Watching the jailhouse videos, I just come to the conclusion that Casey is trying to manipulate her parents, and they are scared to confront her. This points to a dysfunctional family, but I don't see how it implicates GA or CA in a "cover up."

When I heard KC say, "We've always stuck together and we need to stick together on this," it's just her manipulative gobblety gook. The implication is: "It's US against everybody else" and KC is trying to convince her parents of her complete innocence, and victim status.

And, I don't think they're convinced of her innocence, at least from the way they're acting in the videos. GA doesn't look KC in the eyes, and seems to patronize her by rotely agreeing with her. CA is a basketcase, and when she asks pointed questions, KC freaks out. This is how KC is able to manipulate her parents, and no doubt how she's manipulated them in the past: she rages. And then they back off.

My brother was addicted to drugs while in high school, and I saw how he behaved in a similar way to KC with her parents. (Fortunately, he got help in rehab, and he's doing great now). But before that, anytime my parents confronted him about his actions or behavior or whether he was doing drugs, he turned the conversation around and attacked them, or tried to make them believe he was the victim of a conspiracy by the police, or his teachers, or "the system." He was completely dishonest and manipulative, and I recognize the pattern. I don't know if KC has been a drug addict or not, but I see in her behavior what I remember with my brother. And for so many years, my parents were in denial. So that rings true, too, when I see GA and CA defending KC.

It's cruel ... My heart actually feels so sorry for the Anthony family.

(Sorry to be longwinded on my first post! I've been reading all the wonderful posts here for a couple of months.)

Hey welcome Z, I agree with much you said in your post. When I listen to these jailhouse tapes I hear something totally different from what everyone else hears. I hear a master manipulator leading her parents around on a short leash. Casey has been pulling the wool over her parents eyes for so long, her parents were so easy to mislead and deceived that she thought the rest of the world would be the same way. Casey thought the police would look at her as a pretty, young, victim and belive her Zanny story. I don't think the grandparents helped Casey or knew about Caylee's murder. Everything they are doing now is because they know in their hearts that their daughter killed their grandaughter and as bad as that hurts, they don't want to lose Casey too and that would hurt so much more. I personally think that very soon we will see the grandparents finally coming to terms with what Casey did and maybe even speak out about it. Lee Anthony is another story though.

 

[CapsDeej]

I noticed a clip on NG last night that I'd never really paid much attention to before - but last night it struck me...

Casey is talking to Lee:

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING CAYLEE: We miss her. We love her. I miss her, I love her dearly, and I want nothing more than for her to come home and to be safe and to be where she belongs with her family.

It`s obvious that we`ll stop at nothing to get her back. Because I know in my heart, I know in my gut, I know with every ounce of my being, that we will be with her again.

(bolding by me, taken from NG transcripts 12/16/08, however this clip was on last night's show as well)

I find this very telling - if I were in this situation I think I would say that I know she's coming home or I know we're going to find her or I know we're going to get her back. The fact that KC says 'we will be with her again'; I think this is one of those little grains of truth - they will be together again - just not on this earth. KC could spin her answer either way...such a clever answer.

 

[Pondering Mind]

You know I was wondering about this statement too. What the heck is that suppose to mean. I don't recall the response to that. Does anybody remember who responded and what was said?

IIRC there was no response from Cindy and George, not verbally anyway. I'm going to have to go back and watch. I don't think that I can stomach it again right now though! :furious:

 

[tiredofthis]

I know somebody whose child disappeared when he was four years old. It took her moments to freak out. Within mintues, after she couldn't find her son, she had called the police and was calling neighbors and friends. They all rallied together and began searching -- driving around, walking the neighborhood -- and they found her son in a park. It wasn't a good situation, and it could have ended very badly if they hadn't acted so quickly.

When I watch the jailhouse video, KC seems totally unconcerned about Caylee. Even when CA says something like, "Everybody's looking for her. Do you think we'll find her?" KC's answer, something like, "I don't know, Mom, I hope so," is so dull and emotionless.

When I think of this person I know who lost her four-year-old son for just minutes, and her panic and need to find him compared with KC's attitude of "Oh, my child is missing? Oh, someone murdered my child?" It's sickening.

I agree with the cover up. GA and CA may not have known about Caylee at the beginning, but I think they know now and are protecting (for whatever twisted reason) KC.

I know I freaked out when my youngest was missing for a few minutes. It turns out he stopped by a friend's house on the way home from the bus stop, but I was in a total panic. Especially when his older brother said he thought his brother was right behind him. Anything can happen in a matter of minutes. No sane person waits 31 days to report their child missing unless they had something to do with why the child was missing in the first place.