Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[Bobbisangel]

<respectfully snipped>
but according to Cindy, KC had/has none of the issues you described above. She was 'mother of the year' that did nothing worse but tell the occasional mistruth. So it would seem that according to the A's, this didn't apply...unless they are telling mistruths too. jmo

I wonder if the Anthonys didn't stick to this type of story because they knew that Casey would hear about everything that they said and then they would never get her to tell them where Caylee was. If she heard that they were saying negative things about her she would have flipped and refused to talk to them at all. Maybe that is why they kissed her butt for so long...because they had to go along with her and not rock the boat just in case she might give them even a tad of info about Caylee's where abouts. Since Caylee has been found there is no contact between the parents and Casey. Just maybe that is their idea instead of hers. They don't need to kiss butt anymore.

 

[Bobbisangel]

When I think of what they said there, I also think about Casey saying "don't worry, I didn't say anything", Cindy with the "we forgive you if you've said anything" and George's comment about things coming out if this gets too far. I really wonder if the whole family is covering up some sort of secret about this.

It sounds to me like something that was a secret within the family about the family.

 

[*~Aimee~*]

I wonder if the Anthonys didn't stick to this type of story because they knew that Casey would hear about everything that they said and then they would never get her to tell them where Caylee was. If she heard that they were saying negative things about her she would have flipped and refused to talk to them at all. Maybe that is why they kissed her butt for so long...because they had to go along with her and not rock the boat just in case she might give them even a tad of info about Caylee's where abouts. Since Caylee has been found there is no contact between the parents and Casey. Just maybe that is their idea instead of hers. They don't need to kiss butt anymore.

I agree because of her first call home and how Casey was stating about Cindy's "cameo appearance" and "not on her side". That probably changed them there. ​

 

[sindydee]

I agree, and I really can't believe that the same person who made that panicked call (CA) could allow her granddaughter to lie in the woods for five months. So, I just don't think they had any information. They may have known in their "gut" that Caylee was dead and suspected KC, but no WAY IMHO did they cover up the whereabouts of the body.

This family is simply griefstricken and dysfunctional ... they have been living with a lying, manupulative person who rages whenever she is confronted. They have enabled her over the years; they have been in denial; and they are probably still in denial for the most part.

I agree with this completely. This family was used to clearing things up and KC's behalf, e.g when money went missing and her being pregnant. At first this situation was no different to them even though it involes their dead granddaughter. It appears they go into auto poilot mode, she's our daughter we will sort this mess out for her.

At first I couldn't understand their actions (probably like everyone else) but I don't come from this type of obviously dysfunctional family. This at first to them was no different to any other mess they had got KC out of, but I think when they realised the scale of the sitaution and they couldn't protect her through making excuses for her or taking charge of the situation that was when the denial kicked in and started to think that maybe their grand child was probably killed by their own daughter.

I think that they know what she did, but I can not ever imgaine that she would ever tell them one ounce of information. Cindy, George and Lee all seem to have handled her in the same way, with kid gloves, trying to obtain information by gently coaxing it out of her, but the holder to the key of all this is not going to tell anyone anything that will indicate in any way that she is responsible for this crime. No way. It appears to be one big game to her, thinking she is smarter than everyone associated to this case.

When you think about how she has responded to them on the jail visit and telephone calls, it appears she is NO 1 in that househould, eveything revolves around her. This is her family that are trying to comfort her after her daughter is missing for a month, all she does is speak to them like crap, shout at them and not once get upset unless it involces something to do with her. They appear frightened to ask her anything, no one dares to upset her or make her mad. Why? Because she has never been made responsilbe for her actions.

In my opinion this is why Lee is lying low. He probably knows deep down what has happened and is no longer prepared to get himself involved. Pretty much in the same way that CA and GA are no longer speaking to the media since the remains were recovered and probably why GA went missing, because the realisation of the whole situation is eventually starting to sink in.

A lot of people think they should be prosecuted for lying to the police, but I think that really they were reacting in the only way they knew how, making excuse after excuse for KC (wrongly obviously) but this appears that that this is how they would normally react to a KC situation. Hence the GA comment. I feel sorry for them.

 

[debs]

I noticed in the 8/14 video that Cindy specifically asked Casey what message she wanted to convey to the nanny. Casey goes into her spiel about forgiving her and wanting Caylee back. Cindy asks Casey if she really thinks it's possible for the nanny to bring Caylee back - she seems to still actually be holding onto the smallest, most tentative hope that somehow the nanny story is all true. Yet apparently she doesn't ever use the media to get out Casey's message to the nanny.

I guess I just don't get Cindy at all.

And Cindy never conveyed, never once, Casey's message to the public. Not. One. Message.

 

[BuzzieCat]

And Cindy never conveyed, never once, Casey's message to the public. Not. One. Message.

I know, I don't get it. Maybe because she really didn't believe it, even though she seemed to want to in the 8/14 video. Of course, George didn't mention Casey's message to the nanny, either, though not sure if he could hear it or Cindy didn't tell him what she said. Also seems like Cindy or George might have had their own message for the nanny but they didn't.

ETA: The thing that really gets me the most about this video, I guess, is that all 3 of them know her history, know that the car smelled strange, know that she's a consummate liar, 31 days, etc., yet Casey yaks on and on to her parents about how stoic and victimized she is and the police are not believing sweet little her when of course she has done nothing but be straightforward and honest.

 

[usabound]

Well, cover up I think...BUT I think IMO that they did not know Caylee was deceased AT THAT TIME. I should have worded that better!

I think that by August...and the visit we saw aired...the parents were trying to find a body.

I think that whenever the family had any kind of mess...they went into private/sort it out mode.

Cindy was totally panicked on that 911 call...she was putting more pressure on Casey with each call...then the final one with the dead body remark...trying to break Casey's stonewalling.

Even Lee on his visits seemed to be trying to get his sister to break and tell.

I think the family surely suspected...but that family likes it's secrets and had years of messes to clean up.

I agree with you, I think also though that, that night she found out something happened to Caylee and went directly into cover-up mode to protect Casey. Another thing that bothers me is the fact that she wouldn't let the officers see her CREDIT CARD receipts...Perhaps thats because it had the purchase of the NEW Winnie the Pooh blanket on it...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't understand how

1. They didn't know until two minutes prior to graduation the KC would not be allowed to graduate with her class.

2. They didn't know she was pregnant until seven months (but everyone else knew).

3. They didn't know the babysitter, her location, her phone number, even though they were the primary caretakers of Caylee and KC.

4. They didn't know their granddaughter was missing for over a month even though they had not seen her, KC did not have a new residence that they were invited over to see, could not talk to Caylee or visit with her. This had never happened before, ever, not even for a day.

No, they weren't involved. It's just their normal pattern.

But, CA knew within a day that GA was in trouble. Why didn't she just wait and see? That's what she has always done before. Maybe because she has a lawyer holding her hand now.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I forgot the topic. KC states "We have to stick together." Therefore, that means they have to. KC said.

 

[essies]

I forgot the topic. KC states "We have to stick together." Therefore, that means they have to. KC said.

And she's the "Boss" and everyone else works for her!:bang:

 

[The World According]

I wonder how many other things they slipped up and said.:furious:

 

[ynotdivein]

IMO, kc always had the family lie to save her from everything kc ever did. IMO, we do not know her juvenile record if any, or any lies or trouble kc has been through in the past except for lying, having Caylee out of wedlock, and stealing checks. The family always lied so kc would look good.......kc wants that again. kc really thinks she will get away with all of this!

BBM

True now as it was when you posted it originally in January, passionflower. But in regards to the line I bolded, I'd add that KC consistently, habitually, lied to her family, probably from a very young age. Originally the family would believe and repeat these lies--and the times when KC was caught out by "the public," (as with the pregnancy) then the whole family was caught out, and their story would need to change to save face and to protect KC. As long as NO ONE ELSE was aware what was lie and what was truth, they seem to have been content to go along with whatever KC's story at the time was. Now that they are experiencing a most public and humiliating exposure, they have nothing to fall back on but the decades-old pattern of enable, defend, attack outsiders.

I'm thinking of GA's depo where he says he knew that she did not have these jobs she was pretending to have. Before everything blew up, that could be an unspoken family secret and G&C could avoid the nasty task of confronting KC (and thereby confronting their own failure to set boundaries and teach her consequences from an early age). Now it's too late and it is shameful and emasculating for GA to face the collapse of the house of cards.

Cindy exposed a most horrible family secret, though perhaps not the most horrible yet, when she told the 911 dispatcher that the car smelled like a dead body. Why does this case echo of Macbeth for me?

Pathological levels of enabling and avoidance in this family, as in many families. For most such families, though, the scenery they have created is never ripped away in such a public and tragic fashion. I do not defend either of their actions and choices since they last saw Caylee. But I do find myself trying to understand them. :banghead:

 

[cyberborg]

BBM

True now as it was when you posted it originally in January, passionflower. But in regards to the line I bolded, I'd add that KC consistently, habitually, lied to her family, probably from a very young age. Originally the family would believe and repeat these lies--and the times when KC was caught out by "the public," (as with the pregnancy) then the whole family was caught out, and their story would need to change to save face and to protect KC. As long as NO ONE ELSE was aware what was lie and what was truth, they seem to have been content to go along with whatever KC's story at the time was. Now that they are experiencing a most public and humiliating exposure, they have nothing to fall back on but the decades-old pattern of enable, defend, attack outsiders.

I'm thinking of GA's depo where he says he knew that she did not have these jobs she was pretending to have. Before everything blew up, that could be an unspoken family secret and G&C could avoid the nasty task of confronting KC (and thereby confronting their own failure to set boundaries and teach her consequences from an early age). Now it's too late and it is shameful and emasculating for GA to face the collapse of the house of cards.

Cindy exposed a most horrible family secret, though perhaps not the most horrible yet, when she told the 911 dispatcher that the car smelled like a dead body. Why does this case echo of Macbeth for me?

Pathological levels of enabling and avoidance in this family, as in many families. For most such families, though, the scenery they have created is never ripped away in such a public and tragic fashion. I do not defend either of their actions and choices since they last saw Caylee. But I do find myself trying to understand them. :banghead:

I was thinking about this today, that CA worked so hard to cram hundreds of skeletons in the closet and hide them from everyone outside the family and, many within -- only to have KC expose them and worse to the world! Ouch.

 

[ynotdivein]

I was thinking about this today, that CA worked so hard to cram hundreds of skeletons in the closet and hide them from everyone outside the family and, many within -- only to have KC expose them and worse to the world! Ouch.

You can't cram all those skeletons into all those closets without a great deal of help/complicity. If someone is not standing next to you helping to arrange the bones, you need to know that they are either handing them to you, or else standing out in the living room explaining to the guests that you are "indisposed" and that the unusual noises are just raccoons on the roof...

 

[Searchfortruth]

I was thinking about this today, that CA worked so hard to cram hundreds of skeletons in the closet and hide them from everyone outside the family and, many within -- only to have KC expose them and worse to the world! Ouch.

Cindy did give her all to maintain a perfect family image, while the ugly truth about Casey came out faster than she could talk. I guess her intention was to help Casey and their image, but it sure didn't work out that way.

 

[Intermezzo]

kc also said that 'I need to look like a victim'...............huh????

:banghead:Well of course she feels the need to look like a victim...it's all about her..people needed to start focusing on her more. :banghead: and that included her family.

She couldn't let her innocent, supposedly missing, helpless 2year old daughter Caylee have all the attention now could she. She was in jail for goodness sake, arrested on a whim, her whole life has been taken away from her...:loser:

 

[Intermezzo]

Watching the jailhouse videos, I just come to the conclusion that Casey is trying to manipulate her parents, and they are scared to confront her. This points to a dysfunctional family, but I don't see how it implicates GA or CA in a "cover up."

When I heard KC say, "We've always stuck together and we need to stick together on this," it's just her manipulative gobblety gook. The implication is: "It's US against everybody else" and KC is trying to convince her parents of her complete innocence, and victim status.

And, I don't think they're convinced of her innocence, at least from the way they're acting in the videos. GA doesn't look KC in the eyes, and seems to patronize her by rotely agreeing with her. CA is a basketcase, and when she asks pointed questions, KC freaks out. This is how KC is able to manipulate her parents, and no doubt how she's manipulated them in the past: she rages. And then they back off.

My brother was addicted to drugs while in high school, and I saw how he behaved in a similar way to KC with her parents. (Fortunately, he got help in rehab, and he's doing great now). But before that, anytime my parents confronted him about his actions or behavior or whether he was doing drugs, he turned the conversation around and attacked them, or tried to make them believe he was the victim of a conspiracy by the police, or his teachers, or "the system." He was completely dishonest and manipulative, and I recognize the pattern. I don't know if KC has been a drug addict or not, but I see in her behavior what I remember with my brother. And for so many years, my parents were in denial. So that rings true, too, when I see GA and CA defending KC.

It's cruel ... My heart actually feels so sorry for the Anthony family.

(Sorry to be longwinded on my first post! I've been reading all the wonderful posts here for a couple of months.)

BBM in Black
I agree.

BBM in RED
Unfortunately, I do not share your sentiments, at least not any longer.

 

[Just Jayla]

Watching the jailhouse videos, I just come to the conclusion that Casey is trying to manipulate her parents, and they are scared to confront her. This points to a dysfunctional family, but I don't see how it implicates GA or CA in a "cover up."

Snipped....I agree that she knows those buttons to push and manipulate-It appears CA is highly uncomfortable when she is made to feel guilty. KC is guilting them into sticking on her side by using phrases about them sticking together....Making CA feel like if she breaks ranks with KC, people will be mad and CA will feel guilt.

TraceyM said something to CA about how when she was young, she remembers thinking her mom was overbearing and controlling...CA protested this quickly, stating she in no way was overbearing with KC. Tracey even assured her it was not a true reflection on CA neccesarily, but that many daughters went through that. CA would not have that portrayal of herself as overbearing, because I believe it made her feel that she would in some way be responsible for Caylee's death, deep deep guilt reflex.

 

[txsvicki]

Casey making Cindy feel guilty and the rages is abuse. I believe Cindy was abused for years and also expertly manipulated. If Cindy had been left alone to figure it all out she might have actually searched on her own and found Caylee. All the people who were parading onto the talk shows, giving interviews, protestors, etc. should have left her alone and been out searching for Caylee who was just down the street where no one bothered to search. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like some of these cases where a family member becomes the villain and completely destroyed on national tv, but the child is still missing and no one even properly searching.

 

[precious]

No way. There is no mistaking the pure panic in A's voice on that 911 call.

This reminds me of the sheer panic and horror in the Menendez sp?
brothers voice's when they called 911 and reported finding their parents
killed.