Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

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  • #281
I wonder what LA meant when he asked KC something like, Was it like what happened before?.

Is there a thread covering this one question? Sometimes I miss a whole segment of information but run across comments about it that stick with me.

That comment by Lee lends itself to some concrete happening - something that happened before and he wants to know if it happened again. I wonder what?
 
  • #282
Why do GA and CA defend her so? Why do you think they do?

Do you have a favorite child? Does this child act in similiar ways as KC has done in the past? Having given them a beautiful grandchild and according to CA something to the effect of best mistake KC ever made, imagine how you would feel. It is easy to say you would react differently but we don't know that. If GA were married to anyone, anyone other than CA he would be admitting KC did something unforgiveable but that he will not turn his back on her. CA makes that impossible for GA to do unless he breaks entirely from CA. They are all THEY have, each other. No real friends, family not supporting them. It is them against the world and they know it. It's a matter CA would like to keep private, just within the family but it is way too late for that. So just deny it was one of their own that did this terrible thing is easier than facing the truth. Once the trial is here it will hit CA like a brick wall. JMO but fact is, it is very sad for them.
 
  • #283
CA denied the car chase - said it happened back in May. The pings don't support the car chase on June 27 iirc. BJB did a lot of looking into that on the Ping thread. I'm pretty sure there is a thread about GA's car chase claim.

Ping Map for June 29, 2008 - Discuss this day only. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

If the above link works, there is a great discussion about the "chase". Also there is another thread on the topic which Bond refers to in one of his posts in the above thread.

Right, I think the bill for the EasZpass did not reflect a chase in June but I believe it showed up a month or two earlier on the bill when KC borrowed her mother's car. Not sure that was in CA's deposition??
 
  • #284
I've been doing some research. Actually, so far, googling, searching forums, listening/reading to jailhouse visits and calls, and LE/KC interviews, I can only find one time when KC says this to Lee (not George). "I still feel she's close to holt (sic)." July 29 jailhouse phone call.

I did find twice, however, where George says it.

Aug 3 he says to KC in the morning jailhouse visit, "I know she's close. I can feel it..." (and KC bursts out in what appear to be real honest-to-god tears).

Aug 4 he says in a TV interview that KC had said in a visit "Dad, she's close. She's close." I can't find where she says anything like that to him. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

I'm finding it interesting research because I've thought all this time that KC had said it more than once, but as I track it through, it looks like it was good ol' George saying it instead.

Do by any chance have any references to where we can actually hear KC herself say it?

TIA

BeanE you got me thinking about this and I found it on YouTube [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF-Ge5hCn9Y&feature=PlayList&p=D4D6646E94A2814B&index=10[/ame] at 6:16 min. It sure does sound like "still feels like she's close to holt."
 
  • #285
This family does not appear to have any true friends. Maybe because of the relationship between GA and CA and them wanting to split up but having to stay together, not really sure. But the fact that CA's family tells stories of the coverups the A's have done to protect KC in the past, well it is not surprising that they are doing it now.

KC tells LE she is terrified of what her mother is going to say (something along those lines) but look at the way she treats her mother during those jail video tapes. I actually think it was the other way around.

For CA apparently it is guilt for many things. Why didn't she try and get custody of Caylee sooner? Why didn't she let KC go out whenever she wanted instead of calling her home when KC was with her friends. Why did she turn a blind eye about KC's employment and let KC get away with stealing all that money from them? CA should have had KC arrested when KC first stole all that money from them and then while KC was in jail gone for custody. Why didn't CA do it? It would have ruined the illusion that they are the perfect family.

If LE felt they had anything to do with Caylee's death before or after the fact they would have been arrested a long time ago. We do not need to throw these two under the bus because if they thought it would help KC they would do it themselves.
 
  • #286
Do you have a favorite child? Does this child act in similiar ways as KC has done in the past? Having given them a beautiful grandchild and according to CA something to the effect of best mistake KC ever made, imagine how you would feel. It is easy to say you would react differently but we don't know that. If GA were married to anyone, anyone other than CA he would be admitting KC did something unforgiveable but that he will not turn his back on her. CA makes that impossible for GA to do unless he breaks entirely from CA. They are all THEY have, each other. No real friends, family not supporting them. It is them against the world and they know it. It's a matter CA would like to keep private, just within the family but it is way too late for that. So just deny it was one of their own that did this terrible thing is easier than facing the truth. Once the trial is here it will hit CA like a brick wall. JMO but fact is, it is very sad for them.

On the various threads discussing the inner workings (from what we can gleen from observing the A's responses and behaviors over the past year) all of the points you make above have been gone over and discussed. They do not alter the fact that KC's parents are excusing the killer of their granddaughter (according to the vast majority of posters). In marriage we don't loose our individual responsibility to society. People disappoint one another all the time to various degrees but I can't imagine harboring a killer - even if it was a member of my own family. Boy do I hope and pray that situation is not in my future. I'm not suggesting the situation is easy for them but they have made it very hard to relate to them to the point that they are suspects in my mind.

When I was a kid, my dad made me own up to my mistakes. He didn't care if he hurt my feelings or if I didn't like him during those time periods that he had to come down on me. In other families where anything goes, the kids (now adults) have had a difficult time towing their own line imo. I cannot relate to your argument because, even though I do tend to wear my heart on my sleeve, I'm trying to look at the situation from the standpoint where an innocent child lost her life. That fact being the utmost tragedy and not the misguided psyches of the adults. I don't know why GA is so wrapped up in what CA says/does to the point he has no voice of his own. I used to promote my facticious "Stand up and be a man club" because I do think what men do in our world matters. Maybe it is because my dad tried to do the right thing and I respect and appreciate him so much now. I had a bit of a wayward side to me that, if not for him, who knows what trouble I could have gotten myself into. If a child of mine ends up being a criminal, it will break my heart and I will feel like I failed as it is my job to instill right from wrong and consequences into them. To be honest, I don't think I would have known how to do that when I was twenty years old. My Mom wasn't much older than that when she had me but, like she likes to say, "The world seemed different then." Even though she was young she did not promote lying (like CA seems to). Now I'm just rambling but, still, I'm out of compassion for the A's. If GA wants to, he can still stand up and be a man and tell the truth and nothing but the truth despite what CA wants - she has the same responsibility to do so imo.

If, on the outside chance, it turns out that a third party is responsible for Caylee's death (many peeps are thinking figure the odds Woe), I will be the first in line eating my words and apologizing for all my hurtful speculation and mean spirited observations because then, and only then, could I ever begin to understand any of the behaviors the A's, collective or singular, have exhibited.

We are judged as individuals which is why we say to our teenagers things like it doesn't matter what Johnny gets to do, you're my child. Or, if so and so jumps off the bridge are you going to follow? Or, leave the scene immediately if someone is doing something that you know is wrong because to stay is to become an accomplice. One can only hope these messages are sinking in those thick skulls of theirs. To continue to excuse the wrongdoing of your child though is asking for big trouble as we are witnessing by following this case. Yes, I would feel guilty.
 
  • #287
Right, I think the bill for the EasZpass did not reflect a chase in June but I believe it showed up a month or two earlier on the bill when KC borrowed her mother's car. Not sure that was in CA's deposition??

Bond reported within the link I provided a theory where the pings and the ezpass fees are supported on June 29. KC would be driving TL's car but GA driving his car like a bat out of hell.
 
  • #288
This family does not appear to have any true friends. Maybe because of the relationship between GA and CA and them wanting to split up but having to stay together, not really sure. But the fact that CA's family tells stories of the coverups the A's have done to protect KC in the past, well it is not surprising that they are doing it now.

KC tells LE she is terrified of what her mother is going to say (something along those lines) but look at the way she treats her mother during those jail video tapes. I actually think it was the other way around.

For CA apparently it is guilt for many things. Why didn't she try and get custody of Caylee sooner? Why didn't she let KC go out whenever she wanted instead of calling her home when KC was with her friends. Why did she turn a blind eye about KC's employment and let KC get away with stealing all that money from them? CA should have had KC arrested when KC first stole all that money from them and then while KC was in jail gone for custody. Why didn't CA do it? It would have ruined the illusion that they are the perfect family.

If LE felt they had anything to do with Caylee's death before or after the fact they would have been arrested a long time ago. We do not need to throw these two under the bus because if they thought it would help KC they would do it themselves.

bbm - That's your opinion.
My point is that their odd behavior could be a result of their covering for one of their own mistakes. That's my point; one of them could be the ultimate sociopath.
 
  • #289
I am not sure if this has been posted already and if it has been I am sorry mods...

The jail house visit on August 14th between KC and her parents is very disturbing for many reasons. I went thru the transcripts and KC uses the terms I, ME, AND MY a total of 264 times by my count. This breaks down to 13 times a minute in a 20 minute conversation. I was hoping that you all could weigh in on this because of all of your abilities to read between the lines. Another point I wanted to discuss what the last statement "I AM JUST AS MUCH OF A VICTIM AS CAYLEE" and then eerily time runs out.(only if she was) I think that there is so much in this visit that can be deciphered. I know she is self absorbed and obsessed but I think it goes way deeper than that. It makes me sick how CA and GA are apologizing to her for upsetting her..if it was my daughter she would be thanking god there was no physical contact, because I think I would have killed her during this visit.
 
  • #290
Bond reported within the link I provided a theory where the pings and the ezpass fees are supported on June 29. KC would be driving TL's car but GA driving his car like a bat out of hell.

Thanks for bringing this up. Is this chase the same one that CA denies happening during this time frame? GA even brought discussed it in the State depo. Didn't CA say this happened before KC and Caylee disappeared? GA and CA aren't doing too good sticking together on this, as they often contradict eachother.
 
  • #291
I wonder what LA meant when he asked KC something like, Was it like what happened before?.

Is there a thread covering this one question? Sometimes I miss a whole segment of information but run across comments about it that stick with me.

That comment by Lee lends itself to some concrete happening - something that happened before and he wants to know if it happened again. I wonder what?

I have never posted before.... Do alot of reading here and I find your question very interesting. I have thought the same thing...What happened??
 
  • #292
Why do GA and CA defend her so? Why do you think they do?

I think they know for sure Cayley is gone and that must be heartbreaking beyond belief - but to know their daughter killed their grandchild - and they are going to lose her also - I think they just aren't ready to fully accept the enormity of it.
Remember what Brad said about when they get to the truth it is going to be really difficult for them. IMO - when they know all the details and Casey is found to be guilty at trial.
 
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