Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[lin]

Here's a video that shows notebooks and papers being taken from the Anthony home (4:00)


http://www.wftv.com/video/18262763/index.html

The caption says "notebooks" along with vacuum cleaners. I'm thinking whomever posted that it may be listed as retrieved in the next doc dump could very well be correct.

 

[lin]

Exactly. Why photograph it and then release that photo to the public? If it's determined that it's of no use, then why release it to the defense team, and, consequently, the public?

If they thought enough of it to photograph it, then I think that they would've thought enough of it to test it. By releasing that photo yesterday, a large part of the people following this case went nuts. If in fact the age of that entry can be proven...wow. She's freaking toast. Premeditation, lack of remorse, sheer joy over killing and disposing of her daughter, all in one nice, neat, one page little package. Why would the SA risk messing up like that if the journal page meant nothing? Like other posters have said, it could affect the outcome of the trial.

I trust that LE has their reasons for this, and I think that there was testing done. We may not see those results until trial, though. Fine with me. I can wait for something that good.

Yeah! What you said!

 

[Macushla]

Looking at the diary up close I really think it looks like pages are ripped out. Also, if you look at the arrow I added to the pic you can see some ink possibly from a previous page that has been ripped out, IMO. Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

WOW - you have sharp eyes! I am going to have to study this picture for awhile, and you know, it just might make me change my mind about whether or not pages had been ripped out! But, I still think the journal was written in '03

 

[dax]

Earlier on there was a photo taken of this diary where it looked like there had been a page ripped out because you could see a tiny bit of pen marking where a little tab of paper was left. It might be earlier in this thread but I know it's here somewhere.

ETA: it was further up the page then what is captured.

That spot of red on the spine (directly to the left of the "J" in June) is probably either from her crossing the top of the "J"...or...from the swing upward after rounding out the bottom of the "J" The "J" was crossed from left to right and most likely after the "hook" was made so I'm inclined to think that the mark occurred during both actions......imo

 

[lin]

My bold. O/T My outlook is ... life is what you make of it and, lets face it -- KC did not do a very good job. She was presented an opportunity with a precious cute child, Caylee and blew it big big big time [understatement].

Whether KC is found guilty or not, or gets a fitting sentence doesn't matter so much. I have seen folks want to be millionaires and still not be happy with money, in fact be more unhappy. I also see OJ as a classic example of a perp with no conscience whose subconscience internally destroyed him.

KC had a full life of opportunity ahead of her and she blew it. Even if she firmly believes she did not do it or there were reasons -- life will never be the same. She can run but she cannot hide. May she live out her days in infamy.

Excellent post. Or maybe even better, live out her days in obscurity, in jail.

 

[Chezhire]

JB has definitely told mistruths. Caylee is alive! after the cadaver dogs, FBI lab and the body farm had already confirmed her dead. I don't think he believed that for a second. I have confidence LE will prove the entry was written in '08.

Yep - and this is exactly why he shouldn't be doing media interviews. He can't very well tell the truth and jeopardize his client's case, so he has to lie/spin everything...and so when the truth comes out, he has egg on his face and his client looks worse than if he had kept his :silenced: <sighs> Some attorneys just don't get it.

 

[Z-sleuth]

More importantly, who the heck thinks he really knows the truth anyway? I sure don't.

For that matter, who the heck thinks he would speak the truth, even if he knew the truth? I sure don't!

 

[jennyb]

I should just wait and see if you posted before I post, I guess. I keep echoing you, only to find out a few posts later that I did.

It's his job to try to create doubt. He has done so my lying or misrepresenting things more than once. I don't think JB has a clue when this was written and may have read the debate here to come up with today's argument about '03. He didn't have that in his arsenal yesterday.

ETA: He hasn't seen KC to ask her about it, that I've heard. Unless this was collected many months ago, it's new info to him, so how can he be sure? He can't. He's guessing just like we are and/or he's just jumping on anything to try to explain this away.

Ha ha. No, it's just all the accumulated "Lin" wisdom has infiltrated mah haid.

 

[Chezhire]

The "s'" are the same in the journal and CA's written statement, but, the "g" and "y" and "d" are very different. Seeing as how Cindy is an adult, she probably settled into her writing style years ago.....so...I don't think this is her entry in the journal....... BUT

If you compare CMA's hand written statement to the journal entry.....you come up with the same results.... there are distinct differences in the "s" "y" "d" etc.... at first glance, it does not look like CMA wrote it either. BUT if she truly did write it in 03, it would make more sense because teens and young adults change the writing style until they either get comfortable with one, or they don't have time to waste working a different writing style.

As much as I would like this to have been written in 08....I have to go with 03... JMO

Do you think the e's look similar? I do.

 

[secretsquirrel]

:laugh: We already know she was "dumb enough," for example, to write checks out of her friends' check books, to take LE to Universal Studios, walk inside, down the hallway, etc., pretending that she worked there before finally admitting to LE that she did not work there, to assign make-believe names to other peoples' tel. nos. in her cell phone believing that no onw would check these out, etc.

Respectfully snipped. You're right. She is that dumb.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Looking at the diary up close I really think it looks like pages are ripped out. Also, if you look at the arrow I added to the pic you can see some ink possibly from a previous page that has been ripped out, IMO. Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Good catch! I hadn't seen that ink yet. I don't think it is from writing the June 21st entry either.

 

[lin]

She could have had it with her while living at Tony's house and when Lee retrieved her things it came back to her parents'house. Perhaps Cindy or Lee placed it in her bedside table, or perhaps that's where she ultimately left it when she went back to jail for the last time. We will likely never know, but I think it's entirely plausible that she had it with her June 21 and wrote in it then only for it to return to her parents' home when Lee retrieved her things from Tony's following her arrest in July.

Hey, I think it's even possible it was in the car when it was retrieved from tow yard and one of the things that were removed. Maybe CA put it in the drawer and KC never noticed it there.

 

[Themis]

Yep - and this is exactly why he shouldn't be doing media interviews. He can't very well tell the truth and jeopardize his client's case, so he has to lie/spin everything...and so when the truth comes out, he has egg on his face and his client looks worse than if he had kept his :silenced: <sighs> Some attorneys just don't get it.

Well, Chez, there are two kinds of attorneys:
1. Those who engage in the practice of law, are professional with their clients, the courts and other counsel, and who are skilled trial practitioners.
2. Those who engage with their clients, the media and whatever other dysfunctional people come their way; thinking that spin and being argumentative can get them what they want.

However, as we know, the second type fall flat on their faces when it comes time to suit up and actually try a case.

 

[ThoughtElf]

For one thing, JB hasn't been to see his client since the release of this doc. dump, so it appears to me that at this point in time JB's just saying what he hopes will be the case. More importantly, who the heck thinks he really knows the truth anyway? I sure don't. Remember: he also kept saying that Caylee would be found alive, etc., and we know how that turned out.

Yes, I rethought my position a bit later. My naive optimism that even defense lawyers must tell the truth bites me in the butt every time until I rein it in.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Looking at the diary up close I really think it looks like pages are ripped out. Also, if you look at the arrow I added to the pic you can see some ink possibly from a previous page that has been ripped out, IMO. Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Great picture. The ink is intriguing.

 

[lin]

If the diary was not taken by LE, then by now it is destroyed, hidden, or most likely with JB.

Very possible. But I'm still hoping they did retrieve it. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a journal being taken early on and someone else posted the video of a December search that claimed notebooks were taken. I just don't know yet whether or not LE has it. I hope they do and they're testing it to be sure when it was written. It just doesn't read like a 17 year old high school junior to me and so far I've raised three of them.*


*Of course, mine were much, much, much smarter. Well, that doesn't say much. IMO, rocks are much smarter. Ok, mine are academic scholarship and honor society smarter. (I try to work that last part into every conversation in the real world, too.)

 

[DianeB]

That spot of red on the spine (directly to the left of the "J" in June) is probably either from her crossing the top of the "J"...or...from the swing upward after rounding out the bottom of the "J" The "J" was crossed from left to right and most likely after the "hook" was made so I'm inclined to think that the mark occurred during both actions......imo

I don't think so. Look at the left side of the the crossed 'J' - there's a blob of ink that seems to indicate that the pen stroke began right there, not off to the left.

And is it me, or does the glue look a little funny? There's a wide glue band on the left side flyleaf page, but no corresponding glue mark on the actual entry page. Should there be?

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: "...IF this book was found in a bedside table, to my mind, it indicates use much later than 2003. I just don't see that space being used to store things that one has not used in five years. And since it hasn't shown up on the property logs that we just got, is it possible it was seized much earlier? I would think that would be something they would have grabbed from the get-go, if they knew it existed. They were trying to find ZG and details of ZG or any reference to there actually being a ZG. Maybe a diary would hold some key.

Thinking out loud.

Lin - like your post. Two comments: if that journal was found in the bedside table, and if Casey had it with her at Tony's, then it's possible that Cindy, being the self-admitted clean/orderly freak that she is, could have placed the journal in that spot in the bedside table after Lee brought it back to the Anthony house along with the rest of Casey's things he'd retrieved from Tony's apartment the night Casey was arrested, and it's possible that we just haven't seen via any release/doc. dump the LE evidence log listing this journal.

 

[lin]

Exactly.

Look. They don't need the diary. Everything written in that journal entry perfectly describes her behavior in the days after Caylee's "disappearance."

She acted happy. She acted like she thought she made a good decision.

She went shopping; she watched movies with her boyfriend; she partied. No diary entry is going to convince a jury of her guilt as much as her behavior will.

Agreed. But I think it'll be a dandy little bit of extra icing on that cake, if it proves out to be '08.

 

[indicat]

That spot of red on the spine (directly to the left of the "J" in June) is probably either from her crossing the top of the "J"...or...from the swing upward after rounding out the bottom of the "J" The "J" was crossed from left to right and most likely after the "hook" was made so I'm inclined to think that the mark occurred during both actions......imo

I think there is too much space in between the mark and the letter for that scenario.