Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[lin]

Defense attorney Jose Baez told the NBC program that the diary entry was from 2003. "This is before Caylee was even born," he said. Baez is representing Casey Anthony, who is charged with daughter Caylee's murder.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--4.html

I can't see that JB would deliberately lie about something LE can prove or disprove, so it is looking like the entry was from 2003.

That said, is JB saying this because of the '03 on the journal fly page, or because KC stated so?

Wouldn't be the first time that bunch has done so.

 

[awakewriter]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html

In photo #23, standing up on the back right side of the dresser is what appears to be a scrapbook with a striped cover. The handwritten title seems to be "Family and Friends."

Check out the stylized writing. Compare it to the stylized writing on the unlined page of the journal.

Maybe some scrapbookers can help out here. It seems to me that I see this style of writing a lot in scrapbooks.

Would be interesting to find out when Casey started scrapbooking.

 

[lin]

JB has definitely told mistruths. Caylee is alive! after the cadaver dogs, FBI lab and the body farm had already confirmed her dead. I don't think he believed that for a second. I have confidence LE will prove the entry was written in '08.

I should just wait and see if you posted before I post, I guess. I keep echoing you, only to find out a few posts later that I did.

It's his job to try to create doubt. He has done so by lying or misrepresenting things more than once. I don't think JB has a clue when this was written and may have read the debate here to come up with today's argument about '03. He didn't have that in his arsenal yesterday.

ETA: He hasn't seen KC to ask her about it, that I've heard. Unless this was collected many months ago, it's new info to him, so how can he be sure? He can't. He's guessing just like we are and/or he's just jumping on anything to try to explain this away.

 

[Chezhire]

LE seized it from her room in the house. Makes no sense that she wrote it somewhere else and then came back to the house and put it back there.

She could have had it with her while living at Tony's house and when Lee retrieved her things it came back to her parents'house. Perhaps Cindy or Lee placed it in her bedside table, or perhaps that's where she ultimately left it when she went back to jail for the last time. We will likely never know, but I think it's entirely plausible that she had it with her June 21 and wrote in it then only for it to return to her parents' home when Lee retrieved her things from Tony's following her arrest in July.

 

[Chezhire]

How do you know it wasn't among the belongings that Lee retrieved from Tony's apartment? Lee said there was "paperwork" with the clothes and toiletries.

ITA - that's what I'm saying above.

 

[lin]

So in other words, that diary is still sitting at the A's house?

No reason to think otherwise at this point. But no reason to assume it is, either. I just don't know and can't know without more info.

 

[Rumpole]

No reason to think otherwise at this point. But no reason to assume it is, either. I just don't know and can't know without more info.

If the diary was not taken by LE, then by now it is destroyed, hidden, or most likely with JB.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Well, this journal style book isn't of the exact type that KC used, but even although I tried to prod and pry out the remnants after ripping out pages, without perforations, it was difficult and the results weren't very good, as you can see:

 

[lin]

I know that it's tempting to want to believe this is from 08, but I think it's a huge red herring and won't stand up for numerous reasons in trial. I'd hate to see a case resting on this UNLESS there is a forensic ink test that can prove when it was written. It's way too shaky otherwise. Yes, this diary could have come back to the house via Lee etc. but don't you think he/Cindy or whoever you think found it would look at it considering the situation? Wouldn't you? And for all those who think that Cindy destroyed evidence, why wouldn't she have destroyed this? There's just way too many assumptions that need to be made for this to stand up as evidence. It doesn't make logical sense to me.

With what we now know, I agree, it won't stand up. It won't be presented without more info, especially with JB on the airwaves disputing the date. If testing wasn't already ordered and LE thinks it was '08, (which some are reporting is true), then it will certainly be tested now.

I don't think the case is resting on this or any other bit of evidence. It's the totality of things. The duct tape is a common brand, could be coincidence. Surely that canvas laundry bag isn't one of two in the entire world. And black bags with yellow ties are certainly not uncommon. And just because Caylee's blanket is missing, doesn't mean that it's the same blanket at the crime scene or that the imaginanny didn't have it. Etc. etc. etc.

Individually, no one piece of evidence is the smoking gun. As I've previously posted, according to a defense expert, there usually isn't one. However, coincidence after coincidence; detail after detail; her lies; her behavior; when looked at as a whole seems very persuasive to me.

 

[awakewriter]

Individually, no one piece of evidence is the smoking gun. As I've previously posted, according to a defense expert, there usually isn't one. However, coincidence after coincidence; detail after detail; her lies; her behavior; when looked at as a whole seems very persuasive to me.

Exactly.

Look. They don't need the diary. Everything written in that journal entry perfectly describes her behavior in the days after Caylee's "disappearance."

She acted happy. She acted like she thought she made a good decision.

She went shopping; she watched movies with her boyfriend; she partied. No diary entry is going to convince a jury of her guilt as much as her behavior will.

 

[Macushla]

Well, this journal style book isn't of the exact type that KC used, but even although I tried to prod and pry out the remnants after ripping out pages, without perforations, it was difficult and the results weren't very good, as you can see:

Thank you Tater!!!!! that is exactly what I was trying to convey. If pages had been ripped out, the gap would have had ragged bits of the page left. if an exacto knife or sharp scissors had been used - they would not have gotten down far enough not to leave a nice even row of 'stubs' so to speak!

 

[lin]

We don't know where it is.

One thing that may suggest it was seized and we don't have the documentation yet is the note about the photos taken of the parenting book with the "tantrum" notations - the report specified that the book was not taken, merely photographed.

There is nothing at all in the docs released yesterday that refers to the diary - only the two photos.

Great catch!

 

[Robyn623]

Looking at the diary up close I really think it looks like pages are ripped out. Also, if you look at the arrow I added to the pic you can see some ink possibly from a previous page that has been ripped out, IMO. Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

 

[Chezhire]

If I recall correctly it was seized from shelves in her room and categorized as such in the evidence list. Furthermore, considering how this girl writes, don't you think it would have had entries about Tony and scribbles of "Casey Lazzarro" if she had it on her at the time. The girl is dumb, but she's not so dumb that she would have written that and just left it around. Why would she make up a story and leave a confession. She could've been talking about an abortion or a break up for all we know.

Believe me, I think she's guilty and I think there are plenty of smoking guns, but I don't think this is one.

Not to ther_beatingA_Dead, but we don't yet have answers to the 2 million dollar questions being discussed by WSers:
(1) can LE date that journal entry (using a forensic expert re: the ink, how old the pages are, etc., and/or or rep. of the company that manufactured the journal as a fact witness re: when it was manufactured - since if it was first manufactured beginning in 2004 or later, then the '03 can't have anything to do with when the entry was written, etc.) and
(2) can LE prove it was Casey's handwriting (using a forensic handwriting expert)?
Without any such information, all we can do is speculate...and my personal speculation is that Casey is, to use your choice of verbs, dumb enough to leave it laying around.
:laugh: We already know she was "dumb enough," for example, to write checks out of her friends' check books, to take LE to Universal Studios, walk inside, down the hallway, etc., pretending that she worked there before finally admitting to LE that she did not work there, to assign make-believe names to other peoples' tel. nos. in her cell phone believing that no one would check these out, etc.

 

[lin]

My logic here is that at 17 she prob had a little diff handwriting, more childish....

And in my experience, was probably less secretive, more likely to be more direct.

 

[Z-sleuth]

She could have had it with her while living at Tony's house and when Lee retrieved her things it came back to her parents'house.

Casey was at the Anthony's home a few times after June 21st (gas can incident, etc), so she could have put it back in the nightstand drawer long before she was arrested, if in fact the entry was written in 2008.

 

[lin]

Here are just a few eerie similarities:

Casey's Diary of Days: "Tomorrow is a brand new day."

Diary entry-" Every day is a brand new beginning."



Diary entry: "I have no regrets..."

Casey's photobucket: "Regret nothing, deny everything"

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/p...ons/th3768.png

Wow! Sure does seem possible to be the basis!

 

[Chezhire]

Defense attorney Jose Baez told the NBC program that the diary entry was from 2003. "This is before Caylee was even born," he said. Baez is representing Casey Anthony, who is charged with daughter Caylee's murder.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--4.html

I can't see that JB would deliberately lie about something LE can prove or disprove, so it is looking like the entry was from 2003.

That said, is JB saying this because of the '03 on the journal fly page, or because KC stated so?

For one thing, JB hasn't been to see his client since the release of this doc. dump, so it appears to me that at this point in time JB's just saying what he hopes will be the case. More importantly, who the heck thinks he really knows the truth anyway? I sure don't. Remember: he also kept saying that Caylee would be found alive, etc., and we know how that turned out. :cry:

 

[indicat]

Looking at the diary up close I really think it looks like pages are ripped out. Also, if you look at the arrow I added to the pic you can see some ink possibly from a previous page that has been ripped out, IMO. Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

I'm so glad you found that, this is what I thought too.

 

[Chezhire]

Casey was at the Anthony's home a few times after June 21st (gas can incident, etc), so she could have put it back in the nightstand drawer long before she was arrested, if in fact the entry was written in 2008.

exactly