Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #2

[Baxter]

If Casey didn't receive the journal until 2004 or 2005 for example and maybe Cindy is the one that gave it to her so that's why she knows it was written in 2005. Casey thinks to herself what do I want to write about? It occurs to her at the time many interesting things happened to her last year or for that matter throughout high school that she would like to include. So that's where she starts and then brings it current. Just an idea. I don't know. She wrote 03' because that's where she decided to start from.

People usually journal as things happen. It is hard to go back 2 years and remember what happened.

 

[Baxter]

I wonder what happened to it after Brad quit working for the A's? Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if he ever kept it. There have been so many lies coming from the defense side. How is it that we now have an analysis of the ink? The Sheriff's office must have kept the actual book in order to have tested the ink I would think. :waitasec: Also... this was never "leaked". It was released in a document dump pursuant to the Sunshine Laws... if you are reading here, Cindy.. it is evidence... a great big red flag.

Brad handed the journal over to John Allen.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069172.pdf

 

[strach304]

People usually journal as things happen. It is hard to go back 2 years and remember what happened.

Well surely people remember the high points in their life from as recently as 2 years or so. I'd also like to point out that we're talking about Casey here and therefore I believe she may not think in a normal capacity all the time.

 

[snupy]

Bumping the links to the diary photos for newer members...

:waitasec: 2004 > 2003

I was just looking at the photos (number 17) and noticed a note and the first line says "Hi my name is Laura". I tried to enlarge it to see if the handwriting looks familiar but I cannot figure out how.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html

 

[claudicici]

I think the 03 simply stands for the month March of 2005.It makes sense if the ripped out pages were about Christmas and New Year that she now writes about things in March.
I think it's about the Kenneth boyfriend breaking up thing.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

well.....now that I've gotten over my shock, I suspect this answers the old question of who the daddy is. why else would casey's bf from HS (specifically, before jesse) be on the penalty phase witness list? if so that must mean he knows. how devastating.

I'm not quite sure how you're making the huge leap that because Kenneth is on the PPWL, that equates to him being Caylee's father?

He dated Casey, granted, but we don't know how many others Casey also 'dated' during the same time. Knowing Casey's history with her "boyz", she isn't diligent about loyalty to one, you know?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Couple of thoughts, FWIW:

1) Since the Penman diary appears to have a rather rather colorful exterior cover, perhaps it will be something Deputy Acevedo can testify to having seen as she & Lee, et.al. witnessed the dumping out of a bag of Casey's effects @ Hopespring when Lee returned with them from Tony's apt. on the night of 7/15 IF the June 21 entry was made in '08, this is the most likely means for the diary to have returned to Hopespring. Deputy Acevedo is on the SA witness list, most likely to be available to testify to things regarding the night of the 911 calls and her response to Hopespring Dr. And as explained earlier, IF the entry was made on 6/21/08, it was made @ Tony's apt.

2) Depending on where the diary was located (e.g. buried in w/ HS items OR in amongst Casey's current papers & items) what might be most interesting to the SA is what has been REMOVED from the diary. IOW...IF the ghost writing tells us that what is missing spans roughly the time of Caylee's conception and - depending on how many pages are missing - perhaps through her early life...then their removal suggests purging memories of CAYLEE...the very opposite of what you'd expect a grieving mother to do if missing her child.

Jus' thinking out loud...:waitasec:

 

[strawberry]

To me, the '03 clearly represents the year 2003. If the apostrophe wasn't there, I could, maybe, entertain the thought of it representing something else. So, the questions left for me are:

Why put the year '03 into a journal entry written in a journal that wasn't even sold until 2004?
Who wrote '03 on the top of that page?

Also, I know that the ink could not be matched to one in the ink library database but I wonder if the ink from the '03 was a match for the ink on the rest of the page and the subsequent page. Was this comparison made?

On a side note, when this diary first came out I did some reading on ink analysis and was surprised to find out that ink manufacturers actually put a component into the ink to help identify and date the ink used on documents.

I'm glad I read back before I posted because the BBM above is what I was going to post. Did they run the 03 and the text separately to see if there was a match in the database? If not, did they just do one and not the other. Seems to me the purpose of trying to get an ink date would be because of the 03. So I think they at least ran that. Did they compare them? I would think they would have but it does not say they did.

 

[Capri]

This is fascinating to me but at the same time seems like there should be a logical explanation. I don't know if this has been suggested or not but since we know the book wasn't manufactured until 2004 could she have decided to write about her previous year after the fact. In other words she's so special she started with things she felt she wanted to write about from the past year and then bring it up to current events.

Possible, but unlikely, IMHO. Casey's an in-the-moment kind of girl.

 

[Capri]

Couple of thoughts, FWIW:

1) Since the Penman diary appears to have a rather rather colorful exterior cover, perhaps it will be something Deputy Acevedo can testify to having seen as she & Lee, et.al. witnessed the dumping out of a bag of Casey's effects @ Hopespring when Lee returned with them from Tony's apt. on the night of 7/15 IF the June 21 entry was made in '08, this is the most likely means for the diary to have returned to Hopespring. Deputy Acevedo is on the SA witness list, most likely to be available to testify to things regarding the night of the 911 calls and her response to Hopespring Dr. And as explained earlier, IF the entry was made on 6/21/08, it was made @ Tony's apt.

2) Depending on where the diary was located (e.g. buried in w/ HS items OR in amongst Casey's current papers & items) what might be most interesting to the SA is what has been REMOVED from the diary. IOW...IF the ghost writing tells us that what is missing spans roughly the time of Caylee's conception and - depending on how many pages are missing - perhaps through her early life...then their removal suggests purging memories of CAYLEE...the very opposite of what you'd expect a grieving mother to do if missing her child.Jus' thinking out loud...:waitasec:

BBM, interesting thought, like she did with her photobucket acct.

 

[Chiquita71]

Great brainstorming everyone. I like the suggestion that the '03 is a graduation date, but I was a bit deflated when I read that Casey (would have)graduated in '04. It was said that one of the boy's names mentioned was the class of '03, whether it is him or not I could see Casey being the type to mark her boyfriend's year of graduation on things instead of her own. IIRC, my cousin did that with a few of her guys during high school. He's the class of " " and so she is all about the class of " ", like a loyalty thing. If the diary wasn't sold until 2004, but if she got it at the beginning of the year, any previous graduates(2003)she was hanging around with would still be "the graduating class." You get to keep that title for a year until the next group goes, we used that as a guideline for how long you were supposed to keep your tassel hanging in the rear view mirror.

The handwriting of the June 21st entry seems more aged, mature(it is hard to use that word when speaking of Casey)than the "everyday is a new beginning" page. I have seen the examples of Casey using the "dots" in her jailhouse letters and even those dots seem 'practiced' more than the diary entry. She misspells "beginning" and I think that is a indication she was younger. I do see this as a "new year" entry page and the ghost writing tells me that she wrote more and it was ripped out. Casey kept the habit of using the dots, as I said but in the diary she wrote "carpe diem" seize the day. That is Latin while the Casey of my doc dumps and media coverage had a Spanish nanny, is really into being "Irish" and got a tattoo in the Italian language. I think it shows the "everyday" page is definitely from a few years ago. I don't think that is being disputed, that page being from earlier, it is the "03" that is in question but I just wanted to point that out. A while ago it is "carpe diem" and now it is "bella vita."

Cindy has waffled between seeming to want Casey to be held accountable for her actions and being willing to do insane things to try and keep Casey from answering for anything. So maybe Cindy did put the date on there. I do think it is interesting that Cindy played hide and seek with the diary although she could say she knew people/LE would read into what Casey had written. But, as some have said: why not destroy it for her daughter? Yeah...there is weird hinky stuff going on with this diary even if it is just the usual twisted madness and crazy making of the Anthony family. I understand that just because this was in the doc dumps, it does not mean it will be brought into the trial. I do find it interesting to no end that LE looked at this diary to the degree they did: I mean I hoped they were investigating like that but to see it is amazing. Casey truly does not understand how seriously these ladies and gentlemen take their jobs. If Casey wants to think she is somebody, she can because she is notorious.

IMHO, FWIW: I think the June 21st entry is about her decision to get rid of Caylee. It is just vauge enough, and I don't think Casey had a problem using boy's names when writing-there would be some indication of relationship issues. As with the ghost entry we see two boy's names mentioned although she is being slightly cryptic as to exactly what she is writing about. The talking about making new friends and finally being happy and the ends justifying the means-being just a little worried...and no mention of anyone helping her to make it better. Casey is a serial "friend" needer, imo and has her dramas specifically so she can have something to run to someone about. I think they call it "drama queen" if you don't murder your daughter, for Casey it would be her narcissistic supply. The June entry is very "alone" you can feel how inside herself Casey was when she wrote this, and from everything I have read from her(the jailhouse letters)this entry has the most introspection and depth to it-which for Casey is still shallow and me, me me.

...js...

 

[sleutherontheside]

Couple of thoughts, FWIW:

1) Since the Penman diary appears to have a rather rather colorful exterior cover, perhaps it will be something Deputy Acevedo can testify to having seen as she & Lee, et.al. witnessed the dumping out of a bag of Casey's effects @ Hopespring when Lee returned with them from Tony's apt. on the night of 7/15 IF the June 21 entry was made in '08, this is the most likely means for the diary to have returned to Hopespring. Deputy Acevedo is on the SA witness list, most likely to be available to testify to things regarding the night of the 911 calls and her response to Hopespring Dr. And as explained earlier, IF the entry was made on 6/21/08, it was made @ Tony's apt.

2) Depending on where the diary was located (e.g. buried in w/ HS items OR in amongst Casey's current papers & items) what might be most interesting to the SA is what has been REMOVED from the diary. IOW...IF the ghost writing tells us that what is missing spans roughly the time of Caylee's conception and - depending on how many pages are missing - perhaps through her early life...then their removal suggests purging memories of CAYLEE...the very opposite of what you'd expect a grieving mother to do if missing her child.Jus' thinking out loud...:waitasec:

BBM

Recall that lists of Caylee's milestones and sonogram photos were found in the Anthony's trash. Wonder if those journal pages were in there too??? Remember...when the shamrock hat was found?

 

[Snaz]

Great brainstorming everyone. I like the suggestion that the '03 is a graduation date, but I was a bit deflated when I read that Casey (would have)graduated in '04. It was said that one of the boy's names mentioned was the class of '03, whether it is him or not I could see Casey being the type to mark her boyfriend's year of graduation on things instead of her own. IIRC, my cousin did that with a few of her guys during high school. He's the class of " " and so she is all about the class of " ", like a loyalty thing. If the diary wasn't sold until 2004, but if she got it at the beginning of the year, any previous graduates(2003)she was hanging around with would still be "the graduating class." You get to keep that title for a year until the next group goes, we used that as a guideline for how long you were supposed to keep your tassel hanging in the rear view mirror.

The handwriting of the June 21st entry seems more aged, mature(it is hard to use that word when speaking of Casey)than the "everyday is a new beginning" page. I have seen the examples of Casey using the "dots" in her jailhouse letters and even those dots seem 'practiced' more than the diary entry. She misspells "beginning" and I think that is a indication she was younger. I do see this as a "new year" entry page and the ghost writing tells me that she wrote more and it was ripped out. Casey kept the habit of using the dots, as I said but in the diary she wrote "carpe diem" seize the day. That is Latin while the Casey of my doc dumps and media coverage had a Spanish nanny, is really into being "Irish" and got a tattoo in the Italian language. I think it shows the "everyday" page is definitely from a few years ago. I don't think that is being disputed, that page being from earlier, it is the "03" that is in question but I just wanted to point that out. A while ago it is "carpe diem" and now it is "bella vita."

Cindy has waffled between seeming to want Casey to be held accountable for her actions and being willing to do insane things to try and keep Casey from answering for anything. So maybe Cindy did put the date on there. I do think it is interesting that Cindy played hide and seek with the diary although she could say she knew people/LE would read into what Casey had written. But, as some have said: why not destroy it for her daughter? Yeah...there is weird hinky stuff going on with this diary even if it is just the usual twisted madness and crazy making of the Anthony family. I understand that just because this was in the doc dumps, it does not mean it will be brought into the trial. I do find it interesting to no end that LE looked at this diary to the degree they did: I mean I hoped they were investigating like that but to see it is amazing. Casey truly does not understand how seriously these ladies and gentlemen take their jobs. If Casey wants to think she is somebody, she can because she is notorious.

IMHO, FWIW: I think the June 21st entry is about her decision to get rid of Caylee. It is just vauge enough, and I don't think Casey had a problem using boy's names when writing-there would be some indication of relationship issues. As with the ghost entry we see two boy's names mentioned although she is being slightly cryptic as to exactly what she is writing about. The talking about making new friends and finally being happy and the ends justifying the means-being just a little worried...and no mention of anyone helping her to make it better. Casey is a serial "friend" needer, imo and has her dramas specifically so she can have something to run to someone about. I think they call it "drama queen" if you don't murder your daughter, for Casey it would be her narcissistic supply. The June entry is very "alone" you can feel how inside herself Casey was when she wrote this, and from everything I have read from her(the jailhouse letters)this entry has the most introspection and depth to it-which for Casey is still shallow and me, me me.

...js...

Respectfully BBM

I'm sorry to pick this one thing out of your very thoughtful post, but it is something that has bugged me about the Anthonys for some time now.

IMO, Casey, Cindy and George (don't know enough about Lee to include him at this point) all like to use words they believe will impress others (not that 'beginning' is being used to impress). But they frequently use them inappropriately... and they misspell them, as well.

So I'm not really sure we can judge when KC may have written something based on how she spelled it.

JMHO

 

[treeseeker]

Maybe the June 21 entry was KC's first attempt at setting up an explanation for Caylee's disappearance. She left a suggestive message for CA to find, suggesting she made a decision about giving up Caylee, but gave up on it and moved on to the Zanny plan.

 

[jennyb]

Respectfully BBM

I'm sorry to pick this one thing out of your very thoughtful post, but it is something that has bugged me about the Anthonys for some time now.

IMO, Casey, Cindy and George (don't know enough about Lee to include him at this point) all like to use words they believe will impress others (not that 'beginning' is being used to impress). But they frequently use them inappropriately... and they misspell them, as well.

So I'm not really sure we can judge when KC may have written something based on how she spelled it.

JMHO

I agree Snaz. I call them the "Malaprop Family". A bigger bunch of arrogant dopes would be hard to find.

 

[sumbunny]

Did Tony ever mention the date he saw casey sitting in the room crying over the video of caylee? Seems she was very pensive and reflective that day. Perhaps pensive enough to want to jot down her thoughts in an old diary?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

But why rip out those pages afterwards?

:twocents: my two cents says those pages talked about Caylee father and were ripped out for that reason. No link, just my gut! IMHO, etc! LOL

 

[Eidetic]

I don't take the names Kenneth and Marcus literal.

Casey lied all the time and switched names in and out as she pleased in her stories using names of people in other peoples lives, fictional characters in entertainment etc. Add to that- one snooping mother who seems fond of your "writings", no way you would document real names of people who weren't in that circle of friends mom knows, especially when you don't use real names in "normal" conversation unless you wanted an interrogation and to have things held against you/thrown in your face when she's raging. :twocents:

Not one curse? Not one "my life sucks"? Normal awkward young lady rantings...

Would be nice if there were an unedited diary that hadn't been tampered with to be found. This one had a G rating for obvious reasons.

 

[Aedrys]

Couple of thoughts, FWIW:

1) Since the Penman diary appears to have a rather rather colorful exterior cover, perhaps it will be something Deputy Acevedo can testify to having seen as she & Lee, et.al. witnessed the dumping out of a bag of Casey's effects @ Hopespring when Lee returned with them from Tony's apt. on the night of 7/15 IF the June 21 entry was made in '08, this is the most likely means for the diary to have returned to Hopespring. Deputy Acevedo is on the SA witness list, most likely to be available to testify to things regarding the night of the 911 calls and her response to Hopespring Dr. And as explained earlier, IF the entry was made on 6/21/08, it was made @ Tony's apt.

2) Depending on where the diary was located (e.g. buried in w/ HS items OR in amongst Casey's current papers & items) what might be most interesting to the SA is what has been REMOVED from the diary. IOW...IF the ghost writing tells us that what is missing spans roughly the time of Caylee's conception and - depending on how many pages are missing - perhaps through her early life...then their removal suggests purging memories of CAYLEE...the very opposite of what you'd expect a grieving mother to do if missing her child.

Jus' thinking out loud...:waitasec:

BBM. Wow, Bond. I hadn't even thought of that, and it makes perfect sense. A chill went down my spine when I read it. I can totally see her doing that, and then writing that cryptic entry on the last page. I wonder if they checked the trash over at Tony's too. Those missing diary pages have to be somewhere...

 

[Chiquita71]

Respectfully BBM

I'm sorry to pick this one thing out of your very thoughtful post, but it is something that has bugged me about the Anthonys for some time now.

IMO, Casey, Cindy and George (don't know enough about Lee to include him at this point) all like to use words they believe will impress others (not that 'beginning' is being used to impress). But they frequently use them inappropriately... and they misspell them, as well.

So I'm not really sure we can judge when KC may have written something based on how she spelled it.

JMHO

Respectfully Quoted Snaz :cool2:
BBM

I am sorry I will have to agree with you. :biggrin: