Casey's fantasies about Cindy giving her the house are really important

[Woe.be.gone]

I think Cindy really may have told Casey she could have the house. Cindy had discussed it with Lee, about him possibly buying it... he told LE that!

I don't doubt for a second that this could have been a typical personality disordered controlling, manipulative game Cindy used to keep Casey (Caylee) around and at home. I think finding out it was a lie, a game, could very well be what set Casey off. I suspect Cindy played games like this with Casey quite a bit.

From what I can tell, they are both delusional (CA and KC).

I don't mean anything against AH but I would have been suspicious by then about my new friend and how anything important to me was always falling through. The house, the ride to get car, the money, etc. At some point you'd have to figure out that this person is full of sh*t. :waitasec: Funny the way those emergencies kept happening whenever they had plans that would help Amy!

 

[Valhall]

Look at the texts incoming on AH's cell phone for May 21st. KC tells her to go one without her because she has the flu and is going to the doctor. Then look at the texts on May 22nd (incoming AH cell phone). KC says something to the effect "I've been so busy I forgot to ask you how the house visit went." Then there is also a text message where apparently AH is telling her something about the house (some feature) and KC responds "yeah, I remember that about the house".

I'm quoting myself ...lol because now that I reread the text messages, I think I've jumped to the conclusion the message was from KC. It may have been from one of AH's friends who knew she was supposed to be viewing a house.

I'm going to look at the other side of the conservation on AH's outgoing messages and see if I can get my head straight.

 

[Gma Kat]

I think Cindy really may have told Casey she could have the house. Cindy had discussed it with Lee, about him possibly buying it... he told LE that!

I don't doubt for a second that this could have been a typical personality disordered controlling, manipulative game Cindy used to keep Casey (Caylee) around and at home. I think finding out it was a lie, a game, could very well be what set Casey off. I suspect Cindy played games like this with Casey quite a bit.

bbm: Good theory! Howa doin' OLG!

 

[OneLostGrl]

KC didn't graduate with her class..that is SO STRANGE. It set her up so that she would have less opportunities than others. I guess she went to summer school or whatever she needed to do to complete high school...but her problems definitely began in HS. She is a very unremarkable person of certainly average intelligence...so hs shouldn't have been difficult for her. At the heart of everything is that she couldn't stand on her own two feet. She had some sort of mental issues that prevented her from being independent. I do wish we knew what they were--! I know most think the answer is simple enough--that she was lazy, that she considered herself a "princess" (and therefore wouldn't work an ordinary job)--but the answer is more major than that..it goes deeper. She wanted to be grown up and get out from under her parent's thumbs but she did not have the wherewithall to actually do it. Why? Can't ever know, I guess--unless she were to tell us and if she were to tell us maybe it would be like this:

"I want people to love love love me and they never have--I am aware I have only been some sort of odd complimentary extension of my manish mother who was at times proud of me, but mostly angry with me...maybe because I am prettier than her? Being pretty-ish and having a really good body is all I have ever had to offer but that makes me like an object. My Father doesn't ever help me--he is always mad too. When Caylee came along they treated her nicer than they ever treated me. I'm mad!...Let's pretend I am a normal person who is capable of working and paying bills!"

It's called learned helplessness. Parents can actually create it.

She never had to do anything for herself, people made excuses for her behaviors, her actions. Nobody ever expected anything from her, no one demanded she be responsible for herself or anyone else. People lied for her, paid off her debts, hid her crimes, made up stories to cover it all up. Nobody knew her- not a friggin' thing about her and had no desire to learn who she was, they were happy with the make believe person they had created and it's clear to me that she knew it. So she created a fake life around the person they created (job at univeral, jeff H engaged with tiffany ring, etc) but contined to live the life SHE chose.

I don't think she saw herself as a princess. I think she felt unloved, useless and unworthy of anything good.. so she simply accepted what was and then became worse. It's a shame nobody loved her enough to create limits, morals, rules and standards. It's a shame nobody loved her enough to raise her.. rather than ignore and cover up her many cries for help.

 

[Balthazar]

I think Cindy really may have told Casey she could have the house. Cindy had discussed it with Lee, about him possibly buying it... he told LE that!

I don't doubt for a second that this could have been a typical personality disordered controlling, manipulative game Cindy used to keep Casey (Caylee) around and at home. I think finding out it was a lie, a game, could very well be what set Casey off. I suspect Cindy played games like this with Casey quite a bit.

I have to agree with you and it looks like Casey played those games right back at Cindy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

From what I can tell, they are both delusional (CA and KC).

I don't mean anything against AH but I would have been suspicious by then about my new friend and how anything important to me was always falling through. The house, the ride to get car, the money, etc. At some point you'd have to figure out that this person is full of sh*t. :waitasec: Funny the way those emergencies kept happening whenever they had plans that would help Amy!

No joke!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have to agree with you and it looks like Casey played those games right back at Cindy.

Yep! She learned from the best!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm quoting myself ...lol because now that I reread the text messages, I think I've jumped to the conclusion the message was from KC. It may have been from one of AH's friends who knew she was supposed to be viewing a house.

I'm going to look at the other side of the conservation on AH's outgoing messages and see if I can get my head straight.

Back in January in the Texts thread, post #2, KC and AH texts were put together in conversational form.

I just reread them and there doesn't appear to be any confirmation that AH actually went to see the house.

After the day at the doctor, they skip forward to talking about the A house and moving in there.

 

[Valhall]

Thank you! I did not know about the texts being put together. I had already found where I misread one of KC's texts in that she said "I'll" remember that. A great house." I had read it "I remember that. A great house."

Getting this straight and reading the posts of the other members about Ms. Plesea's email statements and Lee's statements, I tend to agree with everyone now. It appears CA may have said something to KC about her getting the house.

Thanks for helping me get straight!

 

[mitzi]

From what I can tell, they are both delusional (CA and KC).

I don't mean anything against AH but I would have been suspicious by then about my new friend and how anything important to me was always falling through. The house, the ride to get car, the money, etc. At some point you'd have to figure out that this person is full of sh*t. :waitasec: Funny the way those emergencies kept happening whenever they had plans that would help Amy!

Bold mine.

I think everyone has at least one friend who has an overabundance of "drama" in their lives. I myself do. Perhaps Amy thought of KC as her "dramatic friend." When, in reality, KC's drama was all just a bunch of lies.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Bold mine.

I think everyone has at least one friend who has an overabundance of "drama" in their lives. I myself do. Perhaps Amy thought of KC as her "dramatic friend." When, in reality, KC's drama was all just a bunch of lies.

The drama part I could live with; the lie part notsomuch. I'm sure it would have been just a matter of time until AH got sick of KC's lies. I feel bad for her. I think she did feel let down on the day they didn't visit the house as she backs off a little in the tone of her texts back to KC. KC keeps reverting to talk about RM. AH tells KC flat out that the house issue is important as she needs to know where she is going to live. No one would imagine that they might as well have been talking to the wall. :crazy:

 

[Spangle]

I think KC house game that she was playing with Amy was suppose to end when Amy gave up and found a different place/roomate.

Then KC could blame Amy for them not living together.

 

[gibby207]

I believed KC did plan to kill her parents when I heard "neck breaking" was looked up on the computer as well as KC asking her mom to just give her "one more day."

 

[Pink Panther]

I think that CA (delusional as she is and probably hoping that KC actually had a real job and a real income) once or twice mentioned to KC that there was a possibility that she could put the house in HER name...Given what we know about this family of lunatics, is that so strange to assume???

just thinkin'

MOO

 

[metalcrystal]

I think that CA (delusional as she is and probably hoping that KC actually had a real job and a real income) once or twice mentioned to KC that there was a possibility that she could put the house in HER name...Given what we know about this family of lunatics, is that so strange to assume???

just thinkin'

MOO

I think you are probably right, CA was in her own world also.

 

[Pink Panther]

I think you are probably right, CA was in her own world also.

Yes she was and unfortunately, still is!

:crazy:

 

[chefmom]

I think that CA (delusional as she is and probably hoping that KC actually had a real job and a real income) once or twice mentioned to KC that there was a possibility that she could put the house in HER name...Given what we know about this family of lunatics, is that so strange to assume???

just thinkin'

MOO

Outstanding thought! We know from SP, IIRC, that CA would have had to pay GA support in a divorce and she was mad about that. Perhaps she talked about putting the house in KC's name so that GA wouldn't be able to touch it in a divorce? Just a thought you jogged with that! :waitasec:

 

[aafromaa]

I'm quoting myself ...lol because now that I reread the text messages, I think I've jumped to the conclusion the message was from KC. It may have been from one of AH's friends who knew she was supposed to be viewing a house.

I'm going to look at the other side of the conservation on AH's outgoing messages and see if I can get my head straight.

"quoting myself" - is that the technology way of talking to one's self?

your post made me laugh out loud - I think we've all done this with this case - there is so much information we've read and it's hard to keep track of who said what or texted what

kudos to you for taking a second look and discovering the error

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I've always tried to imagine what this house thing was about....IMO, it's just like her other lies....her supposedly signing up to go to college....the supposed job...the fake emails to herself....the "nanny" she "pays a lot of money for"...and on and on.
It was all just what she wanted to be HER facade. She wanted sooo badly to be/do what everybody around her were doing or had....what other people her age had achieved at that point in their lives. She, IMO, was a "wanna be". First, the "nanny" thing was a status symbol...wealthy people had em...celebrities had em....by "having" one and paying a bunch of money to hire one made it sort of help in her desire to "wrap" everything together in a neat little "package" in her mind, so to speak.
This, along with the college...the house...the prestigeous job - which the fake emails made it look like she was "important" - a person who told "others" what they needed to do - exactly the OPPOSITE of how Cindy made her feel. By having a nanny, it almost implied she was making a huge salary to be able to afford that luxury. The going to college lie made her seem like the woman trying to "better" herself....who does it all...has it all....balancing all these things in her life...and being a single mom...having a boyfriend....cooking for him....AND finding time for partying, to boot!! She even needed to say she "managed" the shot girls at Fusion. (Reminds me of the old "Enjoli" Perfume commercial..."I can bring home the bacon...fry it up in a pan....etc"...not that I can REALLY remember it, by the way.....Oh, YES I can...LOL....seems I, too, have Casey-itis -> delusional thinking)
The house was just the icing on the cake, IMO....many parents let their kids have their houses, or take over the mortgage payments. NOW....that was the end all to her fantasy of being the woman who "had her together".
IMO, "allowing" Amy to live with her in the house was almost what would be considered, in her mind, a "benevolent" action on her part....share her "status" she had achieved with those who, in her mind, didn't have their lives as "together" as she had. Super Mom...Career Girl.....College Girl....Home Owner....Parties....Boyfriend.
What she saw on TV or the movies or books...IMO, had become what she felt as the be all and end allof life as it should be...the ultimate achievement in her fantasy world.

 

[Balthazar]

I think that CA (delusional as she is and probably hoping that KC actually had a real job and a real income) once or twice mentioned to KC that there was a possibility that she could put the house in HER name...Given what we know about this family of lunatics, is that so strange to assume???

just thinkin'

MOO

Remember how Cindy's mom wrote in an email that Cindy would divorce George except she would have to give him half of the value of the house that Cindy had paid for? We know the house is in Cindy's name only. What I think may have happened is that Cindy contemplated putting the house in Casey's name, thereby transferring ownership from Cindy, who is married, to Casey so that Cindy could divorce George without losing the half share of the house. The trouble is, Cindy couldn't trust that Casey would continue to allow her to reside there or to give the house back after the divorce. But it did occur to me that this is what was being considered and Cindy may have mentioned this to Casey. Of course, Casey's likely plan would have been to keep the house and kick her mom out.