Casey's Lies

[notthatsmart]

Yeal...it does.
I was just going with MO and what I know from released evidence and what she has said that has been proven to be lies and her sort of lack of emotion and initial jail visits where she just wants her boyfriends phone number and all that seems to fit up with her very very possibly being a sociopath based on the traits of sociopaths. (plus other traits too numerous to list)

If I had said "she is an evil liar rotten to the core", I wouldn't need a Doctors' Degree to say that. Although, that would be an in-my-gut type statement coming from a emotional place and not based on anything and of no use and would not have contributed anything to this thread.

I kind of found that she had lots of emotion when she wants her boyfriends number. She got angry. I thought she got pretty angry at her mom during jailhouse visits. I don't know, I am seeing lots of emotion with her.

She just appears to me to be a heck of a bs'r. I would need to see a licensed Doctors report to believe she was a sociapath or pathological liar.
She seems to me to be very comfortable with lieing to her family and friends, but in front of police, I believe there was a lot of confusion on both sides.

She may have realized later in an video with her brother that June 9th was the wrong date. Just lots of confusion and I believe all caused by CA and her determination to be right in every instance. Moo

Ps thanks for the conversation. I think it is important to see both sides take. I do not wish to change anyones mind, just putting out my take and my opinion.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I see that where other people claim that to include her lawyers, but where does she actually say that? I have read her report the night of the 911 call, the interview the night of the 911 call by Yuri, and the interrogation out at universal. I have not seen or heard that anywhere. So, when did she report that she had been missing since June 15th? And why is that not in discovery? or is it and I just can't find it?

notthatsmart, she speaks through her lawyers. It was in a motion that begins (best as I can recall), "Now comes before you Casey Marie Anthony . . ."

This represents her legal word, her stance ~ her best "story." She legally commits, here, to June 15, 2008.

Besides, TWA's reference to Casey's admission in her jail tapes with Lee. Face it; even Casey isn't fixated on the 9th anymore.

 

[notthatsmart]

Does it really matter what she says? Both the SA and the defense have to rely on facts that can be proven either by witness testimony, cell phone pings, video tape evidence, and documentation. That's what makes this case so difficult..her lies have been so plentiful and most of what she's said can't be verified in any capacity that neither side can rely on her word in order to strategize their next step. She won't even use the cloak of attorney - client privilege to tell the truth and give them something to work with so they can properly defend her. The defense has to rely on what can and cannot be proven scientifically and otherwise. Her word is hogwash through and through. So..who cares what she says?

I care what she says and I am sure the Judge will care what she says. Death is different. I will agree with you that sometimes Le job is difficult, but getting angry and using a knee jerk reaction is not helpful IMO. I still think they should have waited before arresting her. I understand why they did, I just do not agree with it. For the most part, they do not have a lot of what she said on the record, they lost her way too soon. I think the Lawyers will be able to prove that LE was interviewing her on false pretenses and then tried to apply her answers to those false pretenses to June 16th, and that really is what has happened here. That in itself is a big lie. IMO

 

[notthatsmart]

notthatsmart, she speaks through her lawyers. It was in a motion that begins (best as I can recall), "Now comes before you Casey Marie Anthony . . ."

This represents her legal word, her stance ~ her best "story." She legally commits, here, to June 15, 2008.

Besides, TWA's reference to Casey's admission in her jail tapes with Lee. Face it; even Casey isn't fixated on the 9th anymore.

I agree with that that later she admits to Lee about the june 9th, but the lawyers were referring to a report by Kc to Le that Caylee became missing on the 15th. Where is that report? and since when is it the 15th? and not the 16th? Do any of those people have any idea what any of them are doing?

So I ask, which is it? June 9th? June 15th? June 16th or some other date. Does anyone actually know?

 

[cecybeans]

I kind of found that she had lots of emotion when she wants her boyfriends number. She got angry. I thought she got pretty angry at her mom during jailhouse visits. I don't know, I am seeing lots of emotion with her.

She just appears to me to be a heck of a bs'r. I would need to see a licensed Doctors report to believe she was a sociapath or pathological liar.
She seems to me to be very comfortable with lieing to her family and friends, but in front of police, I believe there was a lot of confusion on both sides.

She may have realized later in an video with her brother that June 9th was the wrong date. Just lots of confusion and I believe all caused by CA and her determination to be right in every instance. Moo

Ps thanks for the conversation. I think it is important to see both sides take. I do not wish to change anyones mind, just putting out my take and my opinion.

Sociopaths have lots of emotion but it's all about THEM. They are also capable of faking emotion (but not very well). They manipulate people and don't have any remorse. But they can cry crocodile tears when it's something about themselves.

KC was very comfortable lying to family and friends because apparently nobody ever really outted her that much. Friends who did probably didn't stay friends. Her mom protected her from having to deal with any consequences - and even told GA to lay off when he caught her in the Sports Authority lie. Of COURSE she was relaxed lying to them and manipulating them - she could always throw a little fit if anyone doubted her and either threaten to walk away or get so frustrated she "couldn't swallow".

The way she laughed at her mother in jail, snorting "are you crying already?" made me sick. The way she got angry on the telephone when nobody would give her Tony's number because they were more worried about Caylee "calling you was a waste, huge waste" pretty much told America this was the most self-absorbed woman of a "missing" child ever recorded.

It's one thing to b.s. It's another to be downright cruel, which her words obviously are. And I don't need a professional to tell me that is someone who is stone cold when it comes to others. Her own mother told a friend she was a sociopath. Even if it's never been diagnosed, the fact that she exhibits very similar behavioral characteristics is certainly enough to give one pause.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Oh my goodness, listen at the six minute mark where she lies about talking to Caylee on the phone.
Casey, " I purposely misled you!" she says to the detective. She admits on this tape alone that she lied, she admits to lying several times, including my all time favorite walking "with a purpose" down the hall to nowhere at Universal Studios.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVfaLPM2Is
She admits here to many, many lies about the various and sundry apartments and homes she took them on the wild goose chases on.

I kind of found that she had lots of emotion when she wants her boyfriends number. She got angry. I thought she got pretty angry at her mom during jailhouse visits. I don't know, I am seeing lots of emotion with her.

She just appears to me to be a heck of a bs'r. I would need to see a licensed Doctors report to believe she was a sociapath or pathological liar.
She seems to me to be very comfortable with lieing to her family and friends, but in front of police, I believe there was a lot of confusion on both sides.

She may have realized later in an video with her brother that June 9th was the wrong date. Just lots of confusion and I believe all caused by CA and her determination to be right in every instance. Moo

Ps thanks for the conversation. I think it is important to see both sides take. I do not wish to change anyones mind, just putting out my take and my opinion.

No, notthatsmart, neither she nor the police were confused. She admitted she lied.

Isn't The World According wonderful with her library of clips to illuminate the truth?

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Kc never changed her story from June 9th. Many believe she said she dropped Caylee off on June 16th, but she never did. It is not in any of those documents. Her story is that she dropped Caylee off on June 9th. We may think that is not possible, but heck so many twist in this case. Many base their findings or conclusions because she lies, but I can not logically base my conclusions on lies. As bad as it is, with all the lies and all the investigation, and all the evidence, to me, Her story is still the only one that makes sense, and I can't get past that. How could have anyone premeditated all these lies and these story lines. How could the liar sit under such great pressure and not crack, how could she be the first mother to not claim insanity, how could there be no smoking gun, how can she be this great Genius. Moo

Prisons are filled with criminals who "didn't crack under pressure". If all criminals did crack, there would be no need for trials, and Lord knows those occur by the thousands across this country on a daily basis.

Criminals are also not of "genius" mentality.

It only takes a wicked, evil, heartless soul to murder, especially ones own baby, and Casey Anthony has more than shown that she fits that description in a multitude of ways.

 

[notthatsmart]

No, notthatsmart, neither she nor the police were confused. She admitted she lied.

Isn't The World According wonderful with her library of clips to illuminate the truth?

Both sides were under the premise that it was June 9th. I call that confused.

I do not believe in death by youtube. I have a right to that opinion. Its a dangerous tool that takes many things out of context. The context being June 9th. The falsehood being June 9th. The confusion being June 9th. Moo

 

[Lanie]

I care what she says and I am sure the Judge will care what she says. Death is different. I will agree with you that sometimes Le job is difficult, but getting angry and using a knee jerk reaction is not helpful IMO. I still think they should have waited before arresting her. I understand why they did, I just do not agree with it. For the most part, they do not have a lot of what she said on the record, they lost her way too soon. I think the Lawyers will be able to prove that LE was interviewing her on false pretenses and then tried to apply her answers to those false pretenses to June 16th, and that really is what has happened here. That in itself is a big lie. IMO

I very respectfully disagree with your assessment. Hindsight is great, but at the actual time all this took place, all LE had to go on was a grandmother claiming a child had been missing for a month, a mother claiming her child had been kidnapped by a babysitter, then that same mother taking LE on a wild goose chase in regards to said babysitter, and also a mother claiming she had spoken to her child the day before, yet a car trunk which smelled of something bringing to mind decomposition. At the actual time these events took place, IMO, LE's number one priority was not getting evidence to prosecute Casey, it was finding a missing child, Caylee Marie Anthony, age two, who might be alive and in danger, and when they could get nothing but lies from the mother of Caylee, they did what they thought would bring about some honest answers. MOO.

 

[The World According]

Here you go.....in her own words!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm-DK2Cd0RM[/ame]

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I agree with that that later she admits to Lee about the june 9th, but the lawyers were referring to a report by Kc to Le that Caylee became missing on the 15th. Where is that report? and since when is it the 15th? and not the 16th? Do any of those people have any idea what any of them are doing?

So I ask, which is it? June 9th? June 15th? June 16th or some other date. Does anyone actually know?

Yes. Casey knows. She is the only one who knows everything. And therein lies the problem. She is only telling whatever story, no matter how many times she has to change it, that will put her in the best light.

How can anyone rely on one single word out of her mouth?

(And, I repeat, this motion represents Casey's word. The motion referenced, not "a report by Kc to Le," but her legal and well considered word.)

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Both sides were under the premise that it was June 9th. I call that confused.

I do not believe in death by youtube. I have a right to that opinion. Its a dangerous tool that takes many things out of context. The context being June 9th. The falsehood being June 9th. The confusion being June 9th. Moo

How is an entire jail visit out of context?

 

[Dignity4Victims]

I care what she says and I am sure the Judge will care what she says. Death is different. I will agree with you that sometimes Le job is difficult, but getting angry and using a knee jerk reaction is not helpful IMO. I still think they should have waited before arresting her. I understand why they did, I just do not agree with it. For the most part, they do not have a lot of what she said on the record, they lost her way too soon. I think the Lawyers will be able to prove that LE was interviewing her on false pretenses and then tried to apply her answers to those false pretenses to June 16th, and that really is what has happened here. That in itself is a big lie. IMO

Do you understand that a baby was reported to be supposedly "missing" here? With the report of a "kidnapped baby", exactly how long do you think LE should just "sit and wait" for Casey to come clean, allowing her her freedoms while she lies to LE and plays a game of cat and mouse with them?

Do you understand LE already had 31 days lag-time due to Casey concealing the fact that Caylee hadn't been seen for that period of time? So to you, 31 days "just wasn't enough", right?

Really? You really believe she should have had more time? More time for what, exactly, dream up more lies? If Caylee's life really had been on the line during that time, (which we now know Caylee was already long-since murdered by Casey), and it really had been a legit "kidnapping, LE is just supposed to sit idly by twiddling their thumbs until "Casey decides"?

And for any mother who hadn't murdered her baby, there would be no such thing as your line, "they lost her", referencing Casey. Any mother whose baby really was kidnapped would be screaming, begging, crying with LE for "HELP! Please help me find my baby!" There is no such thing as "lost her", as though LE was required to participate in this "game" Casey initiated, and since LE refused to play, then they "lost her"?

Unbelievable!

And yes, LE has plenty of Casey's words on record. More than enough! If they didn't, she certainly wouldn't be rotting away in jail for nearly 2 years.

 

[RR0004]

I care what she says and I am sure the Judge will care what she says. Death is different. I will agree with you that sometimes Le job is difficult, but getting angry and using a knee jerk reaction is not helpful IMO. I still think they should have waited before arresting her. I understand why they did, I just do not agree with it. For the most part, they do not have a lot of what she said on the record, they lost her way too soon. I think the Lawyers will be able to prove that LE was interviewing her on false pretenses and then tried to apply her answers to those false pretenses to June 16th, and that really is what has happened here. That in itself is a big lie. IMO

BBM-I'm not sure what this means...but what pretenses were they interviewing her under? I think they were focused on her leading them to find Caylee. They didn't make up the dates...the As did.

 

[The World According]

LE is only the last of a long list of people who knew KC who have indicated she lied continuously. Kio, Jesse, Ryan P, Amy - it's almost the most consistent part of anyone's description of her.

Apparently there are differences between "pathological" and "compulsive" liars, but both appear to be non-clinical terms. I would think it's just as okay to say pathological because it's commonly used in conversation. Or, as JG put it, "diabolical".

Either way, KC and lies are no strangers.

Here you go my friend, I googled the words:
Pathological Liar

A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.


Compulsive Liar

A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).


The terms Habitual Liar and Chronic Liar are often used to refer to a Compulsive Liar.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Often....in this case.......I pause for a moment to remember that logic and reason typically outweigh deception and fiction. When one must "work an angle or a story"....it usually, IMO, means it isn't logical or rational.

 

[RR0004]

Can we state "lies" that Cindy channeled...like Casey saying she was going away to bond with Caylee? That one is a doozy...IMO.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Often....in this case.......I pause for a moment to remember that logic and reason typically outweigh deception and fiction. When one must "work an angle or a story"....it usually, IMO, means it isn't logical or rational.

Brilliant, and profound! :clap:

 

[RR0004]

Often....in this case.......I pause for a moment to remember that logic and reason typically outweigh deception and fiction. When one must "work an angle or a story"....it usually, IMO, means it isn't logical or rational.

Thanks...I was just thinking the exact same thing. The quickest way to the truth is a straight line...not some convoluted path that leads nowhere...albeit twisted logic.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Have you been talking to the Defense? I only ask because your phrase "I do not believe in death by youtube" sounds like something I would expect AL to say. If I were you, I'd sure be listening to all future hearings because if that phrase comes out of AL's or JB's mouth I'd figure they swiped it from you or...
Anyway, I'm sure gonna be listening for that phrase.