Cause of Death and Time of Death *MERGED* (Warning: Contains Graphic Content!)

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with this point, not all evidence is immediately visible. If they take everything that could contain evidence they can test it then rule it in or out of the case.

It's my opinion, that step-mommy claims daddy dismembered her in the house after "finding her dead." Pipes were taken to look for evidence of that. LE speculated that if he dismembered her, he probably utilized the bathtub. I have a feeling she may have bled to death on her bed, so LE took the flooring beneath it. If they found any blood on the prosthetic leg, they probably looked for blood spatter with luminol and found some. Well, I am sure they luminoled the entire house either way!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I can't see LE willy nilly cutting out walls just "in case" in contained some evidence. If they did cut out this wall (and floor, and plumbing, etc.) it had to have been because they saw something and recognized it as evidence in this case.

JMO

 

[ynotdivein]

I'm not sure where the wall of the linen closet is removed in photo 16/18. Can you describe location in photo for me? TIA

http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/25649131/detail.html

Hi epiphany! :wave:

If you look at the bottom L corner of the photo there is a purple floor mat. Look just up from that, inside the linen closet; there is a panel missing and you can see pipes inside the wall behind or "at the head of" the tub.

(ETA: This picture has been bothering me because I can't up the resolution enough!!! As I peer at it more it almost looks like a round hole in that wall between head of tub and linen closet has been plugged or patched? And as I look at the point where the rim of the tub and the pink tile wall to the L meet, is that black stuff that has been left in the tub, or has the bottom of the tub been sawed out? If they had evidence that the bathtub had been used for what we're thinking, wouldn't that side of the bathroom have been dismantled and removed by LE? They would want the tub insert, tiles that may have been splashed, etc... :waitasec

 

[panthera]

It's my opinion, that step-mommy claims daddy dismembered her in the house after "finding her dead." Pipes were taken to look for evidence of that. LE speculated that if he dismembered her, he probably utilized the bathtub. I have a feeling she may have bled to death on her bed, so LE took the flooring beneath it. If they found any blood on the prosthetic leg, they probably looked for blood spatter with luminol and found some.

BBM

We've seen a mattress removed from the house, mattresses searched for at the landfill, however has there been any mention of box springs? Was the mattress by itself on the floor with no box springs? :waitasec: MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hi epiphany! :wave:

If you look at the bottom L corner of the photo there is a purple floor mat. Look just up from that, inside the linen closet; there is a panel missing and you can see pipes inside the wall behind or "at the head of" the tub.

This picture bothers me because I can't see that LE cut or took any pipes from the head of the tub. Though I can't see the bottom of the tub, it doesn't appear they removed any section of it, and they left the entire bathtub in place.

If they had evidence that the bathtub had been used for what we're thinking, wouldn't that side of the bathroom have been dismantled and removed by LE? They would want the tub insert, tiles that may have been splashed, etc... :waitasec:

Tub insert and tiles can be cleaned with bleach. But the traps in the pipes could hold evidence. imo

 

[tlcya]

Do we know if they went below the house to get the plumbing from underneath that would have come directly from the tub?

that I do not know. I do know sections of flooring were removed from the home refer to photos of home linked a few posts above. I do not believe the home has a basement, but more probably a crawl space. It is possible the drain from tub was removed via such a crawl space beneath the home.

 

[epiphany]

BBM

We've seen a mattress removed from the house, mattresses searched for at the landfill, however has there been any mention of box springs? Was the mattress by itself on the floor with no box springs? :waitasec: MOO

JeanC reported box spring removed from house, as well as mattress.

At the family home, a search was executed today. A mattress and box springs were taken out of that home whole, with plastic on it.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/15/ng.01.html

 

[panthera]

JeanC reported box spring removed from house, as well as mattress.

Thanks. In that case, then I can't see her bleeding through both mattress and box springs onto the floor. It appears to me, from the location of the floor cut out, that a weapon could've dripped blood through the carpet onto that area; or after removing the carpet LE was suspicious of a stain on that section of flooring. MOO

 

[epiphany]

I think the mattress removed from the landfill is the mattress.

 

[Linda7NJ]

JeanC reported box spring removed from house, as well as mattress.

At the family home, a search was executed today. A mattress and box springs were taken out of that home whole, with plastic on it.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/15/ng.01.html

That was the *new* mattress wasn't it?

They were looking for Zarah's REAL one at the dump, and apparently have it now.

 

[tlcya]

Hi epiphany! :wave:

If you look at the bottom L corner of the photo there is a purple floor mat. Look just up from that, inside the linen closet; there is a panel missing and you can see pipes inside the wall behind or "at the head of" the tub.

(ETA: This picture has been bothering me because I can't up the resolution enough!!! As I peer at it more it almost looks like a round hole in that wall between head of tub and linen closet has been plugged or patched? And as I look at the point where the rim of the tub and the pink tile wall to the L meet, is that black stuff that has been left in the tub, or has the bottom of the tub been sawed out? If they had evidence that the bathtub had been used for what we're thinking, wouldn't that side of the bathroom have been dismantled and removed by LE? They would want the tub insert, tiles that may have been splashed, etc... :waitasec

I do not think LE would have any interest in the piping that is still visibly there in the photos as they would be the pipes that draw water INTO the tub. the drain would be at the head of the tub but beneath.

My husband is a contractor and I have actually personally helped install this sort of tub. just beneath the tub (at the head) is the drain which is connected to the outflow pipe. This is what I would imagine LE would be interested in. I cannot tell from the photos whether any cualking or caulk tape has been removed or disturbed from around the wall or floor meeting edges of the tub. IF they were I would surmise the tub was lifted slightly and someone beneath the home cut the section below, while people in the linen closet accessed the section connected to the bottom of the tub while is was lifted slightly for access. hth

 

[KPMcLovin]

I wonder if the old box spring and new mattress had different patterns on them and that was one way LE suspected the old one wasn't THE mattress.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wonder if the old box spring and new mattress had different patterns on them and that was one way LE suspected the old one wasn't THE mattress.

My guess is the old box spring is gone and probably was one of those cheap hallow ones anyway.

I would bet they found evidence on the floor beneath the bed. Wood is VERY porous and imo there is no way they were able to hide the evidence contained in the wood . Not to mention the carpet and padding.

 

[wenwe4]

Here is a link to video of inside the home that also includes pics of EB & AB's bedroom (I would assume). I do remember there was an access to a "cellar" (of some type) in the backyard, and it seems to me it would have been under the bathroom area next to the kitchen.
I now wonder if there was mold in the kitchen from a constant roof leak. Is there normally high humidity in NC?

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25777866/index.html

 

[writer7]

Is there normally high humidity in NC?

Oh, dear, yes. A big fat huge yes

 

[watcher9]

When I was looking back through the pictures of Zahra's bedroom, I thought it looked like the baseboard may have been removed, but I couldn't tell if there had been carpet or padding on the floor. Did someone see it being taken from the house?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

That was the *new* mattress wasn't it?

They were looking for Zarah's REAL one at the dump, and apparently have it now.

You know, the mattress thing has always bugged me. I can see why LE would take the old mattress into evidence, but why take the new mattress? If there was any kind of evidence on the new one, what might THAT have been? I'm under the impression that Zahra was already gone by the time the new mattress was brought into the house.:waitasec:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

You know, the mattress thing has always bugged me. I can see why LE would take the old mattress into evidence, but why take the new mattress? If there was any kind of evidence on the new one, what might THAT have been? I'm under the impression that Zahra was already gone by the time the new mattress was brought into the house.:waitasec:

I would think they would take the new one is to prove one way or the other whether or not Zahra ever slept on it. Plus IMO LE knows where this new mattress came from and when - so no Zahra DNA on it helps to sure up the timeline.

 

[Suthrnqt]

I wonder if the old box spring and new mattress had different patterns on them and that was one way LE suspected the old one wasn't THE mattress.

The new mattress still had the plastic on it. They never bothered taking the plastic off the new mattress.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I would think they would take the new one is to prove one way or the other whether or not Zahra ever slept on it. Plus IMO LE knows where this new mattress came from and when - so no Zahra DNA on it helps to sure up the timeline.

:bow: