Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #47

[SuziQ]

when I look at these photos, I have a REALLY hard time believing that Casey hurt that baby. I seriously think she is involved in something WAY deeper and she knows if she talks she will go down for that.

Susan Smith has the same type of photos. And remember the loving Birthday party video shortly before she murdered her sons? IMO, there is no outlandish scheme other than the one Casey is lying. There is a link to a profilers blog floating around here that gives a great idea of how this probably all came about. And if you look at the photos of happier times and compare them to newer ones, you can see the difference in Casey. She no longer has a soul. Casey is no longer that person that we see when Caylee was born.

 

[ketel0ne]

So, are we safe to assume that the Zenny theory is bogus and some unknown person or persons have Caylee. I haven't seen the family spouting the Zenny theory in a while.

In this case i have found it is not safe to assume anything.

 

[miss lisa]

I tend to favor Occam's Razor.

Baby missing. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk. Photos of mom out partying and not looking for baby. Mom sitting in jail, refusing to cooperate with authorities.

It all adds up to "dead baby" to me. Because that's the straightest line through all the evidence.

Absolutely. (for a lack of a better word)

 

[ketel0ne]

I tend to favor Occam's Razor.

Baby missing. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk. Photos of mom out partying and not looking for baby. Mom sitting in jail, refusing to cooperate with authorities.

It all adds up to "dead baby" to me. Because that's the straightest line through all the evidence.

absolutly.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I tend to favor Occam's Razor.

Baby missing. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk. Photos of mom out partying and not looking for baby. Mom sitting in jail, refusing to cooperate with authorities.

It all adds up to "dead baby" to me. Because that's the straightest line through all the evidence.

bingo.

And the longer she sits in jail, the closer I get to dropping "accidental" from my list of possible causes of death.

 

[michelle]

I tend to favor Occam's Razor.

Baby missing. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk. Photos of mom out partying and not looking for baby. Mom sitting in jail, refusing to cooperate with authorities.

It all adds up to "dead baby" to me. Because that's the straightest line through all the evidence.

I agree with you. I cant find the photos of casey after giving birth to caylee or her bday party. Can someone give me the link, I clicked the above one and it did not show me them. Thanks

 

[Wise Old Owl]

bingo.

And the longer she sits in jail, the closer I get to dropping "accidental" from my list of possible causes of death.

I agree with dropping the "accidental" - the more we see pictures and the more and more we discuss this - I do truly believe that if there was an accident that 911 would have been called to get that poor baby help. These people (the family) are "talkers" - the whole world has seen that - they would have talked and talked and talked had there been an accident - but I do believe they would have called 911

 

[Bobby62]

How could, "The letter does not exist." not mean what he said? Please fill me in on that one. Even in "lawyer speak", it is pretty clear he is saying there is no letter. Now, if he had said, "I have not seen such a letter."...this could apply. If it were placed in an envelope and he had not seen the actual letter.

IF Jose has not seen the letter then he is opining that it does not exist. If he has seen it and destroyed it then it does not exist. The facts are that the family has pressured Casey to write the letter. She had time to do it. She told her dad she did it. I think she wrote it and passed it on. As of th edate of his statement it may not exist.(Anymore)

Take care

 

[Blink34]

Could you take a minute and educate me on last nights discussion of federal charges? I don't need specific charges attached to names involved in this case but would like to know more of what is on your mind. I am kind of a hick in these matters.

Thanks

Bobby- it is simply my opinion that there are investigations that develop inside the "primary" investigation (in this case Caylee) that could lead to charges not covered or applicable under Florida Code, but fall under Federal jurisdiction. I said that we should consider that the reason(s) the FBI is involved is not necessarily just on the potential for kidnapping charge, or to asisst as COC..
It is very common in an investigation of this size and scope to review all possibilities to leverage potential witnesses, etc..
I am not making specific allegations against anyone, I am simply stating my opinion that it may be a possibility..
I hope I answered your question

 

[STEADFAST]

How could, "The letter does not exist." not mean what he said? Please fill me in on that one. Even in "lawyer speak", it is pretty clear he is saying there is no letter. Now, if he had said, "I have not seen such a letter."...this could apply. If it were placed in an envelope and he had not seen the actual letter.

He could have read the letter and then destroyed it. In fact, he could have read the letter, copied it, and then destroyed it.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I tend to favor Occam's Razor.

Baby missing. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk. Photos of mom out partying and not looking for baby. Mom sitting in jail, refusing to cooperate with authorities.

It all adds up to "dead baby" to me. Because that's the straightest line through all the evidence.

Don't you have to consider then the timeline going back to the last person seen with Caylee was Cindy and the last time Caylee was known to be seen alive or heard from was June 15th?

 

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to a blog QuickAttack and others posted over the past few days. I really feel this profiler has Casey's number. It's a very good read.

Why Women Murder Their Children...

Criminal profiler updates her profile of Casey Anthony, based on her extensive experience in profiling mothers who murder.

"These thoughts haunt her until one day, something stressful happens," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "Usually, it involves the breakup of a relationship or the introduction of a new lover who finds children unappealing. Females who kill their children tend to see themselves as being very sensual and attractive, and being discarded is too much for them to bear. It does not match with the idealized self that they have created in their minds. So they begin to think of ways to have the lover. They cannot allow a threat to their self image, so they take steps to quell the increasing internal discord. The females project the rejection onto the children and come to believe that if the children were not there, then life would be good. This is the point where plans are made to murder the little obstacles."

Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said there are many red flags in the Casey Anthony case and she finds it disturbing that Anthony has done little to help investigators find her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

 

[DianeB]

How could, "The letter does not exist." not mean what he said? Please fill me in on that one. Even in "lawyer speak", it is pretty clear he is saying there is no letter. Now, if he had said, "I have not seen such a letter."...this could apply. If it were placed in an envelope and he had not seen the actual letter.

Not only did he say the letter doesn't exist, he is reported by Channel 9 as saying that the idea is 'absurd'.

However, when Channel 9 talked to Casey Anthony's attorney, he said all of the talk about the letter is absurd. He said the letter doesn't exist and he never asked for one in the first place.

Little smack at George there.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17084571/detail.html

 

[RebeccaAdrianne]

There is a link to a profilers blog floating around here that gives a great idea of how this probably all came about. And if you look at the photos of happier times and compare them to newer ones, you can see the difference in Casey. She no longer has a soul. Casey is no longer that person that we see when Caylee was born.

Where is said blog? I would love to read it. Thanks

 

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Here is a link to a blog QuickAttack and others posted over the past few days. I really feel this profiler has Casey's number. It's a very good read.

Why Women Murder Their Children...

Criminal profiler updates her profile of Casey Anthony, based on her extensive experience in profiling mothers who murder.

"These thoughts haunt her until one day, something stressful happens," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "Usually, it involves the breakup of a relationship or the introduction of a new lover who finds children unappealing. Females who kill their children tend to see themselves as being very sensual and attractive, and being discarded is too much for them to bear. It does not match with the idealized self that they have created in their minds. So they begin to think of ways to have the lover. They cannot allow a threat to their self image, so they take steps to quell the increasing internal discord. The females project the rejection onto the children and come to believe that if the children were not there, then life would be good. This is the point where plans are made to murder the little obstacles."

Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said there are many red flags in the Casey Anthony case and she finds it disturbing that Anthony has done little to help investigators find her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.


MUCH MORE HERE

Oh good! thanks

wait, it isn't working, try this link, too many "https"

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

 

[SuziQ]

It appears the link is bad. Let my go and find a good one. BRB!

 

[Lanie]

IF Jose has not seen the letter then he is opining that it does not exist. If he has seen it and destroyed it then it does not exist. The facts are that the family has pressured Casey to write the letter. She had time to do it. She told her dad she did it. I think she wrote it and passed it on. As of th edate of his statement it may not exist.(Anymore)

Take care

I'm not an attorney, but wouldn't him destroying a letter put him up for tampering/destroying evidence?
Lanie

 

[liltigress]

If Casey placed this letter in Jose's hand herself, she can discredit him saying he never received it.

If LE or the jailers or whoever placed this letter in Jose's hand, they can also discredit him saying he never received this letter.

What logical reason would he have for lying, knowing he would be busted in that lie?

I don't think he got this letter.

 

[DianeB]

If Casey placed this letter in Jose's hand herself, she can discredit him saying he never received it.

If LE or the jailers or whoever placed this letter in Jose's hand, they can also discredit him saying he never received this letter.

What logical reason would he have for lying, knowing he would be busted in that lie?

I don't think he got this letter.

I think there's a far greater likelihood that Casey lied to her dad about sending a letter.

I'm sure we'll be seeing George on camera in the near future saying that he misheard her daughter and that she's 'working on' a letter.

 

[MBS]

IF Jose has not seen the letter then he is opining that it does not exist. If he has seen it and destroyed it then it does not exist. The facts are that the family has pressured Casey to write the letter. She had time to do it. She told her dad she did it. I think she wrote it and passed it on. As of th edate of his statement it may not exist.(Anymore)

Take care

Also, depending on how the question was posed to Jose, he may be saying the letter as described by the interviewer does not exist, in that he may describe the letter in a different way. If the interviewer said something about a letter Casey wrote detailing everything that has happened, and Jose does not believe the letter he received from Casey details everything that has happened, because it leaves some things out, the letter described by the interviewer "does not exist." That's attorney speak, LOL. I didn't hear the question he answered, so I can't say. Also, if the letter is protected by attorney client privilege, Jose has a duty to keep it confidential, and no obligation to reveal its existence to the media, he could be ethically bound to deny its existence.