Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #69

[shannon718]

the only reason i would disagree is because its not criminal to publicly talk about booze - but, for example, my friends would never talk about any drugs they used on something like facebook, which we often used. youre 100% right about the lack of discretion; however, i just think there is a different "code" in terms of drug use.

that being said, casey is a moron in my opinion. so i hesitate giving her credit for anything that seems logical....

I agree. she would't advertise any drug use however recreational.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Oh LI_Mom I agree with you...I am just trying to find reasons why it did not happen. And I am sure a lot of family members and friends of the Anthony's and Caylee's must have volunteered from the first moment to do something, start a search.

Why that did not happen I have no clue. But I think a major reason has to be that the believed initially Casey's story about the nanny and they were waiting to see what the police will find out about that. Casey send both her family and the LE on a wild chase after a nanny that doesn't exist. Why no searches were done after day 1 or 2 since it was so obvious to the police that Casey is lying I have no idea again.

Perhaps the answer is in the evidence LE has and we have not seen yet?

Where would you have had people search after day 1 or 2?

 

[Benji]

Is there speculation that Lee had something to do with that fake email, or that it was something that he found and turned over to LE? I haven't been able to read all of the posts so I'm not too familiar with it. Does anyone have any idea where it came from? I mean how Lee got it to begin with, or does anyone think that he might've created it?

 

[Amster]

Maybe if LE releases where Caseys phone was pinging from, searches could be done? Maybe they do know and that's why the lake is being searched, today....

 

[Blondieskatz]

Is there speculation that Lee had something to do with that fake email, or that it was something that he found and turned over to LE? I haven't been able to read all of the posts so I'm not too familiar with it. Does anyone have any idea where it came from? I mean how Lee got it to begin with, or does anyone think that he might've created it?

No, Lee did not create the email he gave it to LE.

 

[TXRN]

really good call on all of this, especially the coke or X suggestion. not that im proud to admit this, but some of my friends dabbled in recreational drugs during college - i wouldnt say that they were "addicted" to coke. but they did use it on weekends and at clubs, there would be a day or two crash, and then they would be fine. so this is viable....

Sorry about the delay in responding, phone rang, kiddo came calling Mommy, etc. Anyway, alcohol, heroin, and xanax are really the big ones that cause a visible "withdrawal" that warrants, and sometimes requires for the safety of the individual to have sedatives administered during the withdrawal period to prevent seizures and other physical withdrawal. Like you said, the crash and cravings...of course are there. Withdrawal symptoms can continue for months up to a year, including cravings and flashback sensations. I guess I should mention I am an ICU nurse who has dealt with many overdoses and patients that ended up with us for prolonged periods, sometimes due to an inability to place them in a suitable mental health facility.

So, many times the general public doesn't have an understanding of withdrawal. And, it all depends on the length of dependence, the drugs used, frequency, and the individual's makeup and response to such. Alcohol and Xanax withdrawal can be life-threatening. Heavy X use can be as well, but not casual use in most cases.

I do not believe that is what I see in her pics in the "blue dress", it's so easy to get off subject here....lol....I do think that drug use may have been a factor in her lifestyle. What I see is a change in emotion and a flatness of affect.

 

[chrisg]

the only reason i would disagree is because its not criminal to publicly talk about booze - but, for example, my friends would never talk about any drugs they used on something like facebook, which we often used. youre 100% right about the lack of discretion; however, i just think there is a different "code" in terms of drug use.

that being said, casey is a moron in my opinion. so i hesitate giving her credit for anything that seems logical....

Hi, bluedevil! :seeya: I did see that Casey wrote 'I'll buzz you later' on myspace to one of her friends and that some people interpreted that as coded language for meeting up to get high. Possible?

 

[Benji]

I'm jumping ahead in my reading. Can't ever seem to get caught up!
A couple of questions:
Does anyone know if George had a full or part-time job?
How did he get to work, someone pick him up? Drive Cindy to work and pick her up everyday? Maybe Cindy had someone pick her up?
Casey would say she worked mostly at night, when her events would be held..... would make sense to me.
A third car is missing in that family.

I have no idea about it, but I've noticed that they seem to have some awfully nice things, especially if Cindy's is the only dependable and consistent income in the family!

 

[OneLostGrl]

bye y'all- time to cook!

 

[ShouldBWorking]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I disagree, it would be ridiculous for Cindy and George to pick an area at random to search. What a waste of valuable time and resources that would be. George spends a good part of every day passing out flyers, from what I understand. I honestly can't think of anything more they can do at this point. As for Cindy lashing out, I can't blame her. The media doesn't seem to want to discuss Caylee - instead they're all into what lie Casey may or may not have told or what her facial expressions were in court. I'd start to get a bit peeved too if the topic of conversation seemed to center around my haircut or the color of my husband's eyebrows rather than on my missing grandchild.

 

[Bobby62]

I'm jumping ahead in my reading. Can't ever seem to get caught up!
A couple of questions:
Does anyone know if George had a full or part-time job?
How did he get to work, someone pick him up? Drive Cindy to work and pick her up everyday? Maybe Cindy had someone pick her up?
Casey would say she worked mostly at night, when her events would be held..... would make sense to me.
A third car is missing in that family.

There is the Pontiac, the Toyota, and that Chevy that he drove off in today. It is one of the Chevy copies of the PT cruiser. I do not know who any of the three are registered to.

 

[lilacwine]

No, Lee did not create the email he gave it to LE.

I believe he has access to all her computer accounts... myspace... facebook.. email... voice mail....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Shannon and others - you need to watch what you post as truth and fact. In this search warrant, it doesn't even say that the e-mail was fake. It says it is invalid and doesn't exist. Big difference! It has been speculated on these boards that this e-mail was sent from someone legitamate and when Casey ended up in jail, they terminated the account. (This is one theory of the e-mail)

There is way too much misinformation on these boards!

Most of us here at WS go out of our way not to print misinformation. We usually will cite the material we are referencing or be able to tell you exactly where we heard it. I think WS is the least guilty of all the sites when it comes to throwing around things as fact until they actually are. We do normally make it a habit if we are discussing things as theory to include IMO.

People do need to pay close attention to details and make sure what they are saying is accurate so we aren't the ones who are creating conjecture and spreading rumors.

 

[lilacwine]

Hi, bluedevil! :seeya: I did see that Casey wrote 'I'll buzz you later' on myspace to one of her friends and that some people interpreted that as coded language for meeting up to get high. Possible?

My boyfriend's best friend... who is a complete teetotaler says that ALL The time and means using the phone.

 

[chrisg]

Actually, he mentioned the new job during the hearing and how we know about it. His wife didn't know where he worked or what his job description was at the hearing. It was quite odd.

There has been no mention by anyone that I am aware of him working before then besides the 10 year stint as LE...other than from himself while discussing the 24th about Casey coming home.

Definitely odd. :waitasec:

 

[whiteangora]

Shannon and others - you need to watch what you post as truth and fact. In this search warrant, it doesn't even say that the e-mail was fake. It says it is invalid and doesn't exist. Big difference! It has been speculated on these boards that this e-mail was sent from someone legitamate and when Casey ended up in jail, they terminated the account. (This is one theory of the e-mail)

There is way too much misinformation on these boards!

Invalid and doesn't exist? not fake?
Let's call it invisible then.:laugh::biglaugh:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi, bluedevil! :seeya: I did see that Casey wrote 'I'll buzz you later' on myspace to one of her friends and that some people interpreted that as coded language for meeting up to get high. Possible?

LOL No. I think that would be "code" for "call you later".

 

[bluedevil21]

I have a question could Casey or her family write a book about Caylee and make money off this poor child? I remember a law that was passed about making a profit off a crime if you are convicted of the crime such as writing a book or selling the story for a movie. Does anybody know the answer to this?

There is no universal rule on this; however, judges often prevent people from profiting from their own wrongdoings. A classic case is Riggs v. Palmer, 22 N.E. 188 (1889). Palmer had poisoned his grandfather because his grandfather intended to disinherit him. Under New York inheritance statutes, Palmer was entitled to inherit all but a small portion of his grandfather's estate. The statutes required valid wills to be enforced, and provided no exception that would prevent a killer from inheriting from his victim. The validity of a will is determined at the time it is executed (signed). When the will was executed, Palmer had done nothing wrong.

The court looked to equity for an escape from a result it saw as unjust. The court decided he could not profit, noting that on top of ordinary law, there were "fundamental maxims of the common law." The court elaborated, "No one shall be permitted to profit by his own fraud, or to take advantage of his own wrong, or to found any claim upon his own iniquity, or to acquire property by his own crime. These maxims are dictated by public policy, have their foundation in universal law administered in all civilized countries, and have nowhere been superseded by statutes."

Another example is Scott Peterson, who was recently prevented from receiving benefits under his wife's life insurance policy by California Probate Code section 252. This is one form of what is called a "slayer statute." California, NY, many other states, have statutes preventing killers from inheriting from their victims, obtaining title to land by murdering a joint tenant, or receiving life insurance benefits from policies insuring their victims, and includes a catchall for "any case not described...in which one person feloniously and intentionally kills another." In such cases, the statutes normally say, "any acquisition of property, interest, or benefit by the killer as a result of the killing of the decedent shall be treated in accordance with the principles of this part." Most states have similar slayer statutes or a common-law slayer rule, as discussed by the Supreme Court of Alabama in Plumley v. Bledsoe (2005).

More recently, states have enacted laws entitling crime victims to the profits from stories criminals tell about their crimes. States enacted these "Son of Sam" laws after rumors that the serial killer known by that name, David Berkowitz, had received financial offers from publishers. Son of Sam laws were designed to prevent killers from profiting by selling their stories and to compensate victims. But some of the statutes have been held unconstitutional, under the premise that everyone has a right to tell their own story under the First Amendment.

The Supreme Court found that New York's Son of Sam statute violated the First Amendment in Simon & Schuster, Inc. v. Members of N. Y. State Crime Victims Bd., 502 U.S. 105 (1991). The Court found that New York had a legitimate interest in "ensuring that criminals do not profit from their crimes," citing Riggs v. Palmer, and also in "compensating victims from the fruits of the crime." But it concluded that the statute in question was too broad. In another case, the California Supreme Court struck down California's Son of Sam law in 2002, applying Simon & Schuster in Keenan v. Superior Court.

According to the National Center for Victims of Crime, "nearly one-third of all states have not altered their notoriety-for-profit statutes following the Simon & Schuster ruling. Some states that have amended their laws have not addressed the Supreme Court's concerns. However, a substantial number of states have attempted to revise their laws to make them constitutional." So in some states criminals can write books or give interviews about their crimes and earn money for the stories; in others, criminals cannot profit from their crimes.

At the same time, earning money and keeping it are two different things. For example, O.J., Robert Blake, Schapelle Corby. If the victims fear that the killer will dissipate assets before they can get a judgment, they can try to get an order freezing those assets (called pre-judgment attachment). So even in cases where criminals elude statutes meant to keep them from profiting, their victims and the victims' families can still see to it that they don't.

sorry this was so long....

 

[Hailiejade77]

Two pages behind but I wanted to write this before I forgot about it.
The pool theory that alot of you don't think could happen, here is my scenario:

I think this might be what happened to Caylee. I have been saying it from day one. The reason she didn't call 911 is this: they would have realized how long Caylee was dead. I think that Casey was either high or drunk and Caylee wandered into the pool area. Casey had no idea because she wasn't paying attention or maybe sleeping one off. 31 days becomes significant because some drugs take a month to get out of your system. Marijuana is one of them that takes a month to get out of your system if you use it quite frequently. Some prescription pills do as well. I am not sure about other drugs though. If she was very negligent about watching Caylee or high she would have panicked. Especially if she came back after she was suppose to be at work. She could have left Caylee to play by herself for hours. (while she was on myspace) She probably came back EVERY day after her parents left for work,.. where else would a girl with a two year old go WITH NO MONEY?!
I think Casey saw Caylee in the pool and when she pulled her out and couldn't get her to come too. Realized how dead she really was due to rigor mortis (sp). Tried calling everyone, no one would answer. Hid her in the yard or playhouse. Tried to call again. No answers. Backed up the car. Borrowed the shovel. Tried to bury her or the clothes. Changed her mind. Put her in the trunk and took off. Or maybe she borrowed the shovel, drove somewhere close and buried Caylee. Then gave the shovel back. If she drove somewhere close she probably could have buried her and had the shovel back within the hour. JMO

 

[chrisg]

LOL No. I think that would be "code" for "call you later".

In the literal sense that is obviously what it means--another way of saying I'll call you later. I wouldn't consider it code for I'll call you later, however.