Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool Theory

[Kentjbkent]

I'll tell you why I don't buy even the accidental drowning theory.

There was NO "Oh Sh*&!!" moment.

When an accident...any accident....occurs, there is always that Oh Sh&^ moment since one is taken completely by surprise. IF that person is even remotely responsible for the accident occuring, there is still an immediate OS moment....

However, when an act is committed in anger, there is almost at least a momentary feeling of "they deserved it".....even if that moment is brief...

Casey's actions just within a few hours are very telling as to whether or not she experienced an "OS moment" or a "she deserved it" moment, imo

 

[Just Jayla]

I am struggling to recall after all this time, but weren't some of the clothing of Caylee recovered? Would any of these fragments have been tested for the presence of chlorine IF she accidentally drowned in the pool?

The Anthonys used chlorine-free Baquacil in their pool.

 

[domini201]

Also if it was an accident 1) neighbors would have heard a frantic screams coming from the house from ICA discovering Caylee. 2) When making those "frantic" calls to CA and GA wouldn't you leave a message to call back or something?

Also you would think from an accidental death there would have been lots of crying. Dont you think her eyes would have been read and puffy?

 

[Secretsolver]

I also don't believe for a second that Caylee drowned in the pool.

Why would a killer put duct tape around the mouth and nose if the baby had drowned? Why add the heart shape sticker?
Casey was mad that her Mom and Dad couldn't or wouldn't babysit Caylee the night of June 16. She kept calling Cindy and George and neither would answer.
So......................
I think she gave Caylee Benedryl to make her tired. She then put her in the trunk. This is when she put Chloroform on a rag and covered Caylee's mouth with it.
Casey then put the duct tape around Caylee's mouth in case she woke up, she wouldn't be heard.
Casey went to Blockbuster with Tony to get a movie forgetting about Caylee in the car trunk.
For some reason, Casey never figured Caylee would die.
When Casey discovered the now dead Caylee, everything else happened. First she tried to hide Caylee either in the sand box or the playhouse (this explains the cadaver dogs hitting in yard) She realizes this could be too risky and puts baby back in trunk now wrapped in garbage bag.
On the 18th, she goes home when she knows George and Cindy are at work, backs into garage and borrows the shovel from the neighbor.
Florida soil is like clay and very hard to dig a hole in easily. She gives up and returns shovel and tries to figure out another plan.
Casey again returns Caylee's body to the trunk and adds the heart sticker to the duct tape.
I think she hides out at Tonys the next couple of days and doesn't drive her car so it sits in apt parking lot. She lives her life, parties, spends time with Tony, drives her car, runs out of gas, calls Tony, breaks into shed, steals gas cans, puts gas in her car and tosses cans in trunk.
Fast forward to the 24th when she again sneaks home and is surprised by George who wants to get something from Caseys trunk. Since Caylee is still in the trunk, Casey runs out to car, throws down gas cans and storms off.

Sometime later, maybe the next day even, she returns home for supplies to wrap around now badly decomposed body and dumps Caylee in the woods.

I think when Casey was in jail she was sending some sort of code to her family during the jailhouse visits.
"She's close"
"Somewhere familiar"
She was thinking maybe George or Lee would find Caylee's body, realize that Casey had flipped out and maybe they would have covered for Casey like they had done so much in the past.

 

[Kat]

I also don't believe for a second that Caylee drowned in the pool.

Why would a killer put duct tape around the mouth and nose if the baby had drowned? Why add the heart shape sticker?
Casey was mad that her Mom and Dad couldn't or wouldn't babysit Caylee the night of June 16. She kept calling Cindy and George and neither would answer.
So......................
I think she gave Caylee Benedryl to make her tired. She then put her in the trunk. This is when she put Chloroform on a rag and covered Caylee's mouth with it.
Casey then put the duct tape around Caylee's mouth in case she woke up, she wouldn't be heard.
Casey went to Blockbuster with Tony to get a movie forgetting about Caylee in the car trunk.
For some reason, Casey never figured Caylee would die.
When Casey discovered the now dead Caylee, everything else happened. First she tried to hide Caylee either in the sand box or the playhouse (this explains the cadaver dogs hitting in yard) She realizes this could be too risky and puts baby back in trunk now wrapped in garbage bag.
On the 18th, she goes home when she knows George and Cindy are at work, backs into garage and borrows the shovel from the neighbor.
Florida soil is like clay and very hard to dig a hole in easily. She gives up and returns shovel and tries to figure out another plan.
Casey again returns Caylee's body to the trunk and adds the heart sticker to the duct tape.
I think she hides out at Tonys the next couple of days and doesn't drive her car so it sits in apt parking lot. She lives her life, parties, spends time with Tony, drives her car, runs out of gas, calls Tony, breaks into shed, steals gas cans, puts gas in her car and tosses cans in trunk.
Fast forward to the 24th when she again sneaks home and is surprised by George who wants to get something from Caseys trunk. Since Caylee is still in the trunk, Casey runs out to car, throws down gas cans and storms off.

Sometime later, maybe the next day even, she returns home for supplies to wrap around now badly decomposed body and dumps Caylee in the woods.

I think when Casey was in jail she was sending some sort of code to her family during the jailhouse visits.
"She's close"
"Somewhere familiar"
She was thinking maybe George or Lee would find Caylee's body, realize that Casey had flipped out and maybe they would have covered for Casey like they had done so much in the past.

Your post sounds plausible. IMHO.

I just wanted to add some thoughts if I may?

You posted:

I think she gave Caylee Benedryl to make her tired. She then put her in the trunk. This is when she put Chloroform on a rag and covered Caylee's mouth with it.
Casey then put the duct tape around Caylee's mouth in case she woke up, she wouldn't be heard.

I am thinking she did not duct tape the chloroform rag on her face. She tossed the chloroform rag into the trunk with Caylee.

Chloroform is heavier than air. Caylee was lying in the trunk. She continued to inhale the chloroform. She asphyxiated. Just my thoughts as of today.

Except I get stuck here: Why only duct tape on face if that was to keep Caylee from making noise in case she woke up while in trunk? Caylee was old enough to kick and thrash enough to bring attention to the trunk.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

"She immediately grabbed Caylee and began to cry. Shortly thereafter, George began to yell at her: 'Look what you've done. Your mother will never forgive you and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your frigging life.'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...866417.html#s290700&title=Casey_Anthony_Trial

She cried?? As opposed to:

"Not stopping. And the whole time telling God he couldn't have her. Not this way. Not at this time. And I was determined to bring her back to me."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=8179763

There is no way that I will ever believe that that baby drown in that pool unless she was pushed in by her mother, because:

"Well, we know, um, and, of course, you know, observational, systematic observational studies are part of science. That's a big part of forensic, its a big part of how we know our world. We look at all the accidental drownings, for instance, in my jurisdiction. We systematically went through those. One hundred percent, EMS is called immediately when the child is found.
http://www.wesh.com/r-video/28199337/detail.html

I will never believe, as someone who had experiences with dead people, and knew that smell from whatever LE experiences he had, he would not know what would happen to that baby if she were left out in the elements and not properly handled and embalmed and I can never believe that GA knew that and allowed that to be the way his Caylee was laid to "rest."

 

[SCWldneart]

I believe if Caylee had been found in the pool by GA, all of Orlando would have heard him screaming for someone to call 911 as he intermittently attempted to resuscitate her. And, no doubt, he would have continued trying to resuscitate her long after she was declared dead. Someone would have had to forcibly separate him from her.

 

[crucibelle]

The "drowning in the pool" story defies logic. According to George, he last saw Caylee with Casey going o(ff to "pretend work" in the early afternoon, in jean shorts, t-shirt with her shoes on and carrying her backpack. Near her remains were found her little white striped shorts and the pink shirt "big trouble comes in small packages." Are they trying to say they changed her into her clothes out of her bathing suit after she "drowned" ??.... . (before Kronk took her of course . . .)

I don't think she drowned in the pool, but I just wanted to point out, that if she DID, she would not necessarily have a bathing suit on. In fact, if she had just ran out of the house alone, as the DT suggests, she would have just jumped in the pool with her regular clothes on, not a bathing suit.

 

[Sleuth5]

Also if it was an accident 1) neighbors would have heard a frantic screams coming from the house from ICA discovering Caylee. 2) When making those "frantic" calls to CA and GA wouldn't you leave a message to call back or something?

Also you would think from an accidental death there would have been lots of crying. Dont you think her eyes would have been read and puffy?

Are we talking about the same ICA? No offense, but she doesn't react that way to anything, really, unless it is specifically about her. How would anyone know if her eyes were red and puffy? Do you mean TL, later when they met up?

:cow:

 

[Sleuth5]

I believe if Caylee had been found in the pool by GA, all of Orlando would have heard him screaming for someone to call 911 as he intermittently attempted to resuscitate her. And, no doubt, he would have continued trying to resuscitate her long after she was declared dead. Someone would have had to forcibly separate him from her.

Yes indeed, one of the weakest elements of the DT OS was requiring the jury to assume that GA would have failed to call 911 in an attempt to revive his beloved granddaughter. I don't buy it for a minute, GA's foibles notwithstanding. When it came to Caylee, there is simply no evidence that he was anything other than a doting Grandpa. The jury won't buy it either. It's another ICA fantasy, and they're always the same for the most part -- they usually contain something that simply defies credulity, because she never thinks things through enough to realize that when people begin to think about the story they won't buy it.

:cow:

 

[Sleuth5]

"She immediately grabbed Caylee and began to cry. Shortly thereafter, George began to yell at her: 'Look what you've done. Your mother will never forgive you and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your frigging life.'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...866417.html#s290700&title=Casey_Anthony_Trial

She cried?? As opposed to:

"Not stopping. And the whole time telling God he couldn't have her. Not this way. Not at this time. And I was determined to bring her back to me."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=8179763

There is no way that I will ever believe that that baby drown in that pool unless she was pushed in by her mother, because:

"Well, we know, um, and, of course, you know, observational, systematic observational studies are part of science. That's a big part of forensic, its a big part of how we know our world. We look at all the accidental drownings, for instance, in my jurisdiction. We systematically went through those. One hundred percent, EMS is called immediately when the child is found.
http://www.wesh.com/r-video/28199337/detail.html

I will never believe, as someone who had experiences with dead people, and knew that smell from whatever LE experiences he had, he would not know what would happen to that baby if she were left out in the elements and not properly handled and embalmed and I can never believe that GA knew that and allowed that to be the way his Caylee was laid to "rest."

ITA. GA was not involved in this DT scenario, and would never have acted that way. Period.

:cow:

 

[RoseTree]

I'm relatively new at starting threads- in fact, this might be my first. So if I did something wrong, mods, feel free to correct me!

If someone were to drown in a pool, would there be other indications other than just wet clothes? Like, wouldn't a person lose bowel function or maybe even vomit (even when deceased?) Just curious.... and interested that they haven't brought this up or anything like it at all.

I know the DT doesn't have to prove anything, but they could use a little more room for reasonable doubt and the rest of their story is so far fetched....

The fact that they didn't mention any other details like this further makes me not believe them.

 

[Jorjamay]

I am not sure if they would mess up the pool, but I know there would be water everywhere because you would jump in to the pool and drag them out so you would be soaked, you would then run inside screaming dripping water everywhere the carpets would be soaked the walls would be covered in splashes the phone would be soaking and Every neighbour for miles would heard the racket.

 

[GiantPickle]

I have heard (how's that for scientific) that there would be vomit if she was fighting the drowning but if she just went quietly (so to speak) there'd be nothing until she started decomp.

 

[JBounds]

There is no way on this earth Caylee drowned. What is mind boggling is JB says Casey didn't call 911 because she was molested and learned how to lie from her parents, so George helped cover it up. So was George molested too and that's why he covered up and lied too? BS...

Anyway, that still doesn't get past the mystery of being duct taped, trash bagged, in the trunk and dumped in the damn swamp.

This whole case is puzzling in that what is not answered, except for excuses from JB is that if it was an accident why cover it up? It doesn't make a bit of sense. Why do you cover up an accident? I can't fathom a reason. I've never known anyone not to call authorities over a child accident. Even on the show Cops a man called the cops because his child drowned in a pool and he was revived by EMS.

Plain and simple it was murder. There is no other explanation. But how? I don't think she'll ever tell and will take it to her grave.

 

[shgrbkr]

I, for one, do believe that Caylee may very well have drowned in the pool, but not accidentally. I think KC drugged her and put her limp little body in the pool in order to intentionally drown her. I never bought into theories of putting duct tape on the face in order to hold in decomp fluids, etc...I mean those fluids leak out of every orifice in the body. But to stage a kidnapping scenario....eh, quite possible. According to Tracy, KC said she had used the shovel to help lift the ladder out of the pool, then Cindy shot her a "shut up" look. Heresay. But using the shovel to hold Caylee under the water and then to help fish her out of there might make sense as it would explain the clean and evidence free condition of the shovel when LE tested it. This was NO accident, but I can certainly buy into an intentional drowning. KC could maintain a bit of distance from the actual death, and tell herself it was an accident. I'm also of the belief that LazyCasey would never put the ladder away and very likely leave the gate open.

 

[RoseTree]

There is no way on this earth Caylee drowned. What is mind boggling is JB says Casey didn't call 911 because she was molested and learned how to lie from her parents, so George helped cover it up. So was George molested too and that's why he covered up and lied too? BS...

Anyway, that still doesn't get past the mystery of being duct taped, trash bagged, in the trunk and dumped in the damn swamp.

This whole case is puzzling in that what is not answered, except for excuses from JB is that if it was an accident why cover it up? It doesn't make a bit of sense. Why do you cover up an accident? I can't fathom a reason. I've never known anyone not to call authorities over a child accident. Even on the show Cops a man called the cops because his child drowned in a pool and he was revived by EMS.

Plain and simple it was murder. There is no other explanation. But how? I don't think she'll ever tell and will take it to her grave.

I completely agree, I don't think there is any way she drowned. It further solidified in my mind when I thought that it would be an awfully wet yard- maybe yelling, etc.. in the home- there WOULD be other evidence.

 

[mydailyopinions]

If Caylee drowned, it was because her mother threw her in that pool restrained. IMHO

 

[CuriousTwo]

"She immediately grabbed Caylee and began to cry. Shortly thereafter, George began to yell at her: 'Look what you've done. Your mother will never forgive you and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your frigging life.'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...866417.html#s290700&title=Casey_Anthony_Trial

She cried?? As opposed to:

"Not stopping. And the whole time telling God he couldn't have her. Not this way. Not at this time. And I was determined to bring her back to me."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=8179763

There is no way that I will ever believe that that baby drown in that pool unless she was pushed in by her mother, because:

"Well, we know, um, and, of course, you know, observational, systematic observational studies are part of science. That's a big part of forensic, its a big part of how we know our world. We look at all the accidental drownings, for instance, in my jurisdiction. We systematically went through those. One hundred percent, EMS is called immediately when the child is found.
http://www.wesh.com/r-video/28199337/detail.html

I will never believe, as someone who had experiences with dead people, and knew that smell from whatever LE experiences he had, he would not know what would happen to that baby if she were left out in the elements and not properly handled and embalmed and I can never believe that GA knew that and allowed that to be the way his Caylee was laid to "rest."

I will never believe that if GA found a drowned Caylee, one of GA's first reactions would be to tell ICA that her mother will blame her ... his first reaction would be to seek help (call 911) - not speculate on CA blaming ICA once she found out. This sounds to me like something ICA would come up with - because it focuses on HER even though the focus would be on Caylee.

 

[lonetraveler]

If Caylee drowned, it was because her mother threw her in that pool restrained. IMHO

Actually I think that if Casey took Caylee and stood at the top of the ladder and threw Caylee toward the middle of the pool she would not have to be restrained at all. Caylee would immediately drown. The pool depth is way over Caylee's head and she would not be able to reach the side to hold on either. Casey could have just dropped her over the side of the pool and kept Caylee away from the sides so that she would drown. Maybe Casey had to put the ladder up to the pool in order to facilitate getting Caylee's dead body out of the pool.