Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool Theory

[rotterdam]

I have thought this is exactly what happened for a long time now. About the pool, the ladder, ICA getting distracted, the duct tape, everything. I am not 100% sure and don't think we will ever know for sure, but to me this seems the most plausible that it could have happened.

The only thing I'm not sure about is the chloroform, but I really don't believe ICA went to all the trouble to make it. Yes, she looked it up for some reason, but it's relatively complicated to make and I don't think she actually made any...much easier to buy some Benadryl or cough medicine, ect...

I tend to agree with you. Once ICA decided that Caylee must go, she would have selected an easy quick method. The more common reason for using duct tape on humans , is to stop them from screaming. If she wanted to drown Caylee, she could have done that more privately in a bathtub. I assume the Anthonies have a bath tub.Drowning in the swimming pool, unless by accident, is much more public and could have been observed by neighbors, regardless of the fence. The chloroform would have no part in this scenario unless it was used for attempting to clean up the smell.

 

[DIXIECAT]

Oh my..You have all confused me lol..
But I have to say, I thought the same thing.. (as the topic lol)

The thing that just never makes any sense.. Lets say Caylee drown. They were just going to let it go? Hope no one noticed. Let's assume G & ICA were in on it ? What was that first conversation like?
ok, lets just throw her away, and when Cindy starts asking questions ,we will blame it on the Nanny, ok. Just in case, you act like a little hussy, OH..and its a good thing you were putting her to sleep with that Chloroform your Mom looked up. we can throw some of that in the trunk..And why don't you keep trash in there just in case.
Good idea Dad..I will back the car in the driveway every now and then, and borrow a shovel.
But, Dad..I need some money to live on. Oh,why don't you just steal some money from that nice Amy girl. That way ,when she notices it, and calls the police, she will feel bad for you, cause ..oh, what the heck we will figure that out later.
3 months later..phone call to Dad from Casey..Hey, I had a guy go put tape on....... that way,it will look like a kidnapping I used the tape from the garage.. But Casey I was using that tape for posters.. Oh. I guess its ok ,I will have my mistress make something up. But if things go bad, Dont worry I have a great lawyer and you will be out in flash.

Thanks for the giggle... when you put it that way, it makes JB's OS sound even more ridiculous, if that's even possible.:floorlaugh:
BTW, I think the Anthonys would have taken the pool down if they had even an inkling of belief that Caylee had drowned in it.

 

[DIXIECAT]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

WOAH... I don't think anyone has thought of that before... are you a detective... or a lawyer? I know someone who needs a good lawyer right now. MOO

 

[cecybeans]

I voted no and here is why:

According to an interview between GVS and Prior LA Detective Mark Fuhrman there is an interesting timeline as has to do with the pool. CA and ICA, according to CA in a interview, swam in the pool on the evening of June 15th, 2008. The ladder to the pool was taken down and put up. The last time GA saw ICA and Caylee was at 12:50 in the afternoon on the 16th. GA leaves for work at around 2:30. At approximately 3PM there are a flurry of calls to GA, six in fact. Then a flurry, six, to CA. I wonder if ICA didn't have plans for that night and wanted them to babysit Caylee. AL didn't want Caylee sleeping over at the apt. I think in her frustration and desire to be free sometime that day she did away with Caylee, in a rage. We have seen her rages in jailhouse tapes.

The ladder was seen up at the pool, and the gate was open on June 17th. I believe Caylee was dead at that time, at the hands of her mother, not by drowning in the pool.The reason I believe that is that if ICA went back to the house with Caylee, and started calling GA at 3PM that would have to mean that ICA went back to the house, after GA left, put Caylee's swimsuit on her, and she drowned in a period of less then 30 mins.

I believe that on the 17th ICA considered putting Caylee's dead body in the pool, and saying she drowned. In her panic she leaves the ladder up and the gate opened. For some reason she panicked and put Caylee's body in the playhouse instead, which is why the cadaver dogs hit on the playhouse.

On the 18th of June the neighbor said that ICA comes and borrows a shovel, her dad's sheds were locked and she couldn't get one of his. He also stated that ICA "backed her car up to the garage." I believe it was then she put Caylee's body in the trunk once again.

I do not believe Caylee, died in the pool. IMHO Casey considered making it look that way on the 17th.

Here is the link to the GVS/Furhman interview from August of 2008 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

As always jmho

ITA - and CA tells this to MF and GA tells it to LE in late July order to cover for ICA. They tell the story as if it is some stranger breaking into the backyard and using the pool (probably to cover for the fact they knew perfectly well it was ICA herself). They may have known at that point that neighbors who were interviewed remember hearing someone in the pool on the 16th or 17th. CA telling the story to MF, who goes on to mention it in the media allows CA to float the idea past her daughter in that jailhouse visit (August 14) that took place afterward. I wouldn't be surprised if CA had already tried to suggest that to ICA the night she came home from her ride with YM. They knew perfectly well there was no nanny to have kidnapped Caylee, they knew perfectly well the car stunk like death. They were trying to give her an out by suggesting an accidental death and she wasn't buying it. Maybe that's why, after CA planted the idea publicly with her MF interview and then mentioned that there was a rumor going on in the media that Caylee was dead, that she drowned in the pool, ICA said sarcastically, "surprise surprise!". She was gonna stick with the kidnapping story because it would allow her to throw somebody else under the bus, despite her parents' attempts to give her a plausible reason for Caylee's death that would not be out and out murder.

I also agree that there is no way ICA would have come back to the house after GA left and had a "pool accident" with Caylee. That ladder wasn't up there (as per CA's original testimony for the state) that day. And ICA wouldn't have had any time between her texting and computer use to have even allowed her to do that. Those phone calls were all about getting a babysitter, imo. IIRC, the first phone call in the GA sequence was initiated by him. He was at work, so whatever he wanted to tell her about, it may not have been up for discussion because he does not take her return calls. Then she starts calling CA at work who said she was probably "in meetings". Right. I think ICA was being told in no uncertain terms there would be no more babysitting for her late night "events" any more and not to bother with last-minute requests which would fall on deaf ears. We all know how mad she probably got at THAT.

BB the neighbor noticed her backing into the garage on the 17th, 18th and another occasion, IIRC. It was unusual enough for him to believe she was moving out of the house, which is why he said in his LE interview he thought it odd she had borrowed a shovel to do yardwork. Then he didn't see her until the day before the gas can incident, when she came in AL's vehicle apparently to break into the shed.

I was reading the early LE interview with JG the other day, in which he says he thought if Caylee had died it had to be an accident. He goes on about how careless ICA was with Caylee - leaving her in a playpen while she'd go on the computer or walking into another room all the time to be on the phone. He mentioned it was really easy for a toddler to fall down stairs or swallow a rock when not watched closely. He also said that if that had happened, ICA's "one toe that is in reality, one foot in reality" would have completely slipped and that she would have thought of a more palatable explanation and made herself believe it. The fact that JG knew her so well, and even still liked her, but basically said she was rather a negligent or absent-minded mom, not to mention a "diabolical liar" says a lot.

I've read several versions of Diane Dimond's article about her interview with Tracy C who was there when ICA bonded out. Almost all of the incidents Tracy described have made their way into various shows - the tattoo - talking about Caylee in the past tense, the FB incident, the photo album , etc. But I could swear that in one of them Tracy described for Diane an incident in which she wandered into the kitchen and ICA and CA were corroborating a story about the shovel being borrowed to dig up bamboo and rinsing it off in the pool. The two women immediately changed the subject when Tracy arrived. I cannot for the life of me find that version of the article any more and am wondering just where I could have read it - I've looked and all of the versions of the article I can find have omitted that detail. TIA if any of you run across that one. I took it at the time for yet another way the Anthony females love to conspire to cover up for ICA. CA is such an enabler it's beyond belief.

 

[drip~drop]

The defense came up with the pool theory . I think George and Cindy look at the pool as the place where they played with Caylee, where she laughed, and had fun. This is all they have left, is this little play area. They need this time to heal. I think after the trial is over, they will eventually move.

In a thread the other day, I said that if Caylee had drowned in that pool, Cindy would have mangled it and have had it hauled away.
imo

 

[Harmony 2]

WOAH... I don't think anyone has thought of that before... are you a detective... or a lawyer? I know someone who needs a good lawyer right now. MOO

LOL No, DIXIECAT I am not a lawyer or detective.... btw I am not a chemist either LOL :seeya:

 

[drip~drop]

LOL No, DIXIECAT I am not a lawyer or detective.... btw I am not a chemist either LOL :seeya:

BBM

:floorlaugh:

 

[Marple]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

This is so worth repeating! :waitasec:

 

[USARDOG]

Yes, I can get behind the, "Caylee drowned in the family pool theory,," if you can get behind the theory that she Chloroformed her self first, put duct tape across her mouth and nose, then jumped into the family pool and drowned.

 

[Scamperoo]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

:waitasec: Good point..

 

[USARDOG]

I think this might be what happened to Caylee. I have been saying it from day one. The reason she didn't call 911 is this: they would have realized how long Caylee was dead. i think that Casey was either high or drunk and Caylee wandered into the pool area. Casey had no idea because she wasn't paying attention or maybe sleeping one off. 31 days becomes significant because some drugs take a month to get out of your system. Marijuana is one of them that takes a month to get out of your system if you use it quite frequently. I am not sure about other drugs though.
I think Casey saw Caylee in the pool and when she pulled her out and couldn't get her to come too. Realized how dead she really was due to rigor mortis (sp). Tried calling everyone, no one would answer. Hid her in the yard or playhouse. Tried to call again. No answers. Backed up the car. Borrowed the shovel. Tried to bury her or the clothes. Changed her mind. Put her in the trunk and took off. Or maybe she borrowed the shovel, drove somewhere close and buried Caylee. Then gave the shovel back. If she drove somewhere close she probably could have buried her and had the shovel back within the hour. JMO

Its an interesting theory, but doesn't explain why she would sit in jail for 3 years, face a murder trial, and not scream, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!

Personally I think it was as accidental as the checks she wrote... She picked up the check book, not realizing it belonged to Amy, and wrote a few checks, purely by accident mind you.

 

[curiositycat]

ITA - and CA tells this to MF and GA tells it to LE in late July order to cover for ICA. They tell the story as if it is some stranger breaking into the backyard and using the pool (probably to cover for the fact they knew perfectly well it was ICA herself). They may have known at that point that neighbors who were interviewed remember hearing someone in the pool on the 16th or 17th. CA telling the story to MF, who goes on to mention it in the media allows CA to float the idea past her daughter in that jailhouse visit (August 14) that took place afterward. I wouldn't be surprised if CA had already tried to suggest that to ICA the night she came home from her ride with YM. They knew perfectly well there was no nanny to have kidnapped Caylee, they knew perfectly well the car stunk like death. They were trying to give her an out by suggesting an accidental death and she wasn't buying it. Maybe that's why, after CA planted the idea publicly with her MF interview and then mentioned that there was a rumor going on in the media that Caylee was dead, that she drowned in the pool, ICA said sarcastically, "surprise surprise!". She was gonna stick with the kidnapping story because it would allow her to throw somebody else under the bus, despite her parents' attempts to give her a plausible reason for Caylee's death that would not be out and out murder.

I also agree that there is no way ICA would have come back to the house after GA left and had a "pool accident" with Caylee. That ladder wasn't up there (as per CA's original testimony for the state) that day. And ICA wouldn't have had any time between her texting and computer use to have even allowed her to do that. Those phone calls were all about getting a babysitter, imo. IIRC, the first phone call in the GA sequence was initiated by him. He was at work, so whatever he wanted to tell her about, it may not have been up for discussion because he does not take her return calls. Then she starts calling CA at work who said she was probably "in meetings". Right. I think ICA was being told in no uncertain terms there would be no more babysitting for her late night "events" any more and not to bother with last-minute requests which would fall on deaf ears. We all know how mad she probably got at THAT.

BB the neighbor noticed her backing into the garage on the 17th, 18th and another occasion, IIRC. It was unusual enough for him to believe she was moving out of the house, which is why he said in his LE interview he thought it odd she had borrowed a shovel to do yardwork. Then he didn't see her until the day before the gas can incident, when she came in AL's vehicle apparently to break into the shed.

I was reading the early LE interview with JG the other day, in which he says he thought if Caylee had died it had to be an accident. He goes on about how careless ICA was with Caylee - leaving her in a playpen while she'd go on the computer or walking into another room all the time to be on the phone. He mentioned it was really easy for a toddler to fall down stairs or swallow a rock when not watched closely. He also said that if that had happened, ICA's "one toe that is in reality, one foot in reality" would have completely slipped and that she would have thought of a more palatable explanation and made herself believe it. The fact that JG knew her so well, and even still liked her, but basically said she was rather a negligent or absent-minded mom, not to mention a "diabolical liar" says a lot.

I've read several versions of Diane Dimond's article about her interview with Tracy C who was there when ICA bonded out. Almost all of the incidents Tracy described have made their way into various shows - the tattoo - talking about Caylee in the past tense, the FB incident, the photo album , etc. But I could swear that in one of them Tracy described for Diane an incident in which she wandered into the kitchen and ICA and CA were corroborating a story about the shovel being borrowed to dig up bamboo and rinsing it off in the pool. The two women immediately changed the subject when Tracy arrived. I cannot for the life of me find that version of the article any more and am wondering just where I could have read it - I've looked and all of the versions of the article I can find have omitted that detail. TIA if any of you run across that one. I took it at the time for yet another way the Anthony females love to conspire to cover up for ICA. CA is such an enabler it's beyond belief.

ITA that the calls were about babysitting. Perhaps in the first call when GA calls her she brings up the subject. He tells her no, and she won't take no for an answer and keeps calling him back, and he refuses to take the calls. Same with CA. Apparently they had babysat Caylee for the weekend of father's day and needed a break for the first day of their work week.

JMHO

 

[Destini]

This is so worth repeating! :waitasec:

I really can't understand why the gate was open, more than anything. I can't imagine Casey or George either one opening the gate when they could just go through the house/garage - they wouldn't be taking a dead Caylee through the gate for all the world to see.

Wasn't there testimony that gate was locked?

 

[shgrbkr]

According to them she didn't die in the playhouse or her room, she died in the pool. Momento's of loved ones that have passed are treasured. In my experience anyway. On the other hand, I do not want to look at the car that my loved one died in everyday. I truly cannot comprehend what it takes to see the where your child's last tragic moment happened day after day.

Unless of course, Caylee didn't die there..

TC, Robin

So very sorry for your loss. No matter how you slice it, it's nothing less than a horrible, horrible experience.

I wish I could cut the upstairs bedroom off of my house and burn it as that is where my son died at the age of 29, of a heart attack in his sleep. The worst thing I have ever been through. Unfortunately I can't afford to move right now. I keep the door closed and it's been largely untouched since that day. The one year anniversary is July 28, and I'm so dreading it.

My point is that ITA that if CA/GA believe Caylee drowned, the pool would have been down long ago. But CA claims to have only recently come to terms that Caylee is indeed dead, and giving her the benefit of the doubt, she's kept some things around "just in case." It could be that CA and GA are on opposing sides of keeping/not keeping the pool. I'm sure GA would love to take an ax to it, but CA wears the pants and perhaps she just doesn't agree....yet.

 

[DairyGirl]

Everyone grieves in their own way and that's their right, we certainly can't dictate how they should show their grief. IMO when someone in the family dies you pull up your boot straps and go on...life goes on...and people live in the same houses and come to terms with it. As I type that I see that it seems harsh, I don't mean it as harsh, it's just a fact of life that everyone is different. You might cry until you are dehydrated, I cry over movies and books but I'm not a crier at real life.

That being said, I believe that Caylee drowned in the pool...scenario Casey promised her she could go swimming, put up the ladder and then got sidetracked by the computer and kept saying "wait"...Caylee got tired of waiting and got out the door, climbed the ladder and fell or jumped in. Who knows how long she'd been in the water before Casey realized it was too quiet and 'where was Caylee'. Knew there was no way 911 would do any good and after all, her mother had just told her for the umpteenth time that she was an "unfit mother", the **** was going to hit the fan so she put Caylee in the trunk and left, panicked and trying to figure out what to do. Well, we know what she did...bad bad choices by an irresponsible immature girl. Can't say 'young woman', she was far from mature and still is.

Oh, duct tape? Dr G is wrong, there is a reason for duct tape after the fact.
Lets say that the following day Casey decided she needed to do something with Caylee's body, opened the trunk and by that time there were bugs and flies crawling . . . . do I need to be graphic about where?? This is MY theory only, IMO this is what happened. Again IMO, not DP but instead a nice LONG prison sentence for manslaughter by child abuse. By then she will be too old to bear more children and too late for Hot Body Contests. :floorlaugh::great:

I thought this was entirely plausible, too, until you factor in the partying and sex all day after it happened. She seems happy that her child was gone, not a care in the world. Even an accidental death would still cause some kind of sadness, wouldn't you think? Someone would have noticed that KC didn't quite seem herself. Instead she was happier then she had ever been.
I found myself pregnant by accident and I was very unhappy about it. I even contemplated having an abortion but I just couldn't do it. I made plans to put the baby up for adoption because I knew I couldn't raise the child by myself. At five months pregnant the baby died. Even though I didn't want to be pregnant and wasn't planning on keeping the baby I grieved terribly. I was inconsolable for months. That is what happens when your child dies, you grieve. I told myself that I should have been relieved but I wasn't. I was devastated. Even in my situation I couldn't imagine going out and dancing or having sex or anything. I couldn't function normally for months.
If Caylee did die by accident it sure seems like it was a fortunate event for KC. I don't believe for a minute that she was abused or anything like that. What about the baby she claimed she miscarried by Brandon? When she saw him at that party she was crying and upset according to those there. Obviously she was capable of grieving for a lost child. When Caylee died she acted like she had been set free from responsibility not that she lost a cherished child. I just don't buy that her death was an accident. If she did drown at all it was because KC wanted her to. Maybe she was planning on telling everyone it was an accident but then she realized that she had a date that night with Tony and couldn't very well go out if she was supposed to be grieving so she decided to put duct tape on her and then say she was kidnapped. That way it wouldn't be her fault at all and her mother couldn't blame her or call her careless. I don't believe that Caylee died by accident in any way. She died because she was in KC's way and KC was sick of her, much like a child gets tired of the new puppy they got for Christmas and it has to go to the pound and be put down. She dumped her in the same place she dumped all her deceased pets. Caylee had less meaning to her then a dead pet.

 

[cecybeans]

I know lots of people have mentioned the fact that ICA may have used duct tape to cover the open orifices in Caylee's face that would have occurred afterward. Apparently the jaw loses muscle tone and the mouth becomes slack. Or to imitate a kidnapping the next day when she pulled into the garage. I can perhaps buy the kidnapping thing (after all the movie on Blockbuster night had duct tape and a body wrapped in plastic in a trunk), but not her putting duct tape on the face just to close off orifices. That girl was unceremoniously triple-bagged and tossed a few feet into the woods. The whole thing appears hastily and sloppily done, with no care or any extra effort. I cannot imagine ICA touching Caylee's body any more than need be regardless of whatever shape it was in or what fluids were leaking. There was too much danger of getting it on herself. Easier to slip a couple of bags over her head and body to cover the sight and contain any mess and quickly dump her down the road. If ICA planned on putting Caylee's remains in a bag, other than to imitate a kidnapping, duct tape over the orifices was completely unnecessary and a risk of her getting messy, imo.

 

[shgrbkr]

I've read several versions of Diane Dimond's article about her interview with Tracy C who was there when ICA bonded out. Almost all of the incidents Tracy described have made their way into various shows - the tattoo - talking about Caylee in the past tense, the FB incident, the photo album , etc. But I could swear that in one of them Tracy described for Diane an incident in which she wandered into the kitchen and ICA and CA were corroborating a story about the shovel being borrowed to dig up bamboo and rinsing it off in the pool. The two women immediately changed the subject when Tracy arrived. I cannot for the life of me find that version of the article any more and am wondering just where I could have read it - I've looked and all of the versions of the article I can find have omitted that detail. TIA if any of you run across that one. I took it at the time for yet another way the Anthony females love to conspire to cover up for ICA. CA is such an enabler it's beyond belief.

Yes, I read that too, and went to the website so I could pass it on to you, but now I have found that particular detail gone as well. I don't know why they would publish that and then take it out. I KNOW I read it.

 

[cloud9]

I'm in the minority again. The reason I voted 'no' is because if they had taken the pool down, people would have asked why they did so. They couldn't let on that they, the perfect people, had let Caylee drown under their own noses as they are all one anyway.

I was trying to say this last night, but I think it came out all messed up; I was tired. Thank you!!!

 

[cloud9]

I still do not believe Caylee drowned in the pool. But I was wondering if this is what ICA was referring to during a jail visit when got angry with CA and said "You don't know what MY involvement is?" (or something to that effect) I can't remember the date of that but were the A's saying all this to protect ICA from what she really did, to throw off LE (cause LE could hear what was being said)?

 

[ladybugplus]

I hadn't read your post before I posted mine. My appologies. And my deepest condolences on your loss.

Take care, Robin

Thank You Robin for your condolences. I was not meaning to take away from
the death/loss of sweet Caylee from her family by telling of my own loss but it was from my loss I could relate to theirs and what they might have felt (or not)
No need to apologise because as I read your post above about things your loved one had being something to keep to bring back good memories but what things caused their death (like a car or in my case a Blazer/SUV) are not something you want to see ever again shows you & I are on the same page.
Bless You and if you have lost a loved one may their life good memories bring you cherished memories in this lifetime.