Caylee Anthony General Discussion thread #133

[Dr. Pennypacker]

At some point today I am going to try and pull out the consistent statements that Casey made to LE during the interview and compare them to the taped phone conversations.

We all know, when someone lies they can't remember the lie, but when telling the truth they remember it in detail.

Casey does a lot of "lying by omission". I think at some point maybe her parents said "we are going to leave you the house when we pass on." In part, Casey said she was going to get her parents house.

Casey was consistent about the blackjack phone not keeping the charge. But inconsisent on where the phone was last seen .. Universal or J Blanchard Park!

Patty G you are good.

 

[Periwinkle]

ok please I need help,,, I havent read all the docs .. i read slow very slow.. anyway I need to know if anyone read about the cell phone pings that were released awhile back or leaked.. but does anyone remember seeing them . I need to find out again what they were .. please very important. was it orlando ex airport?? is that where they were around??

Whew! Finally found it, its the one with the arrows on it, Hope it helps


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...808,-81.307926&spn=0.116832,0.222473&t=h&z=13

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I don't see things this way. I don't think Casey was capable of seeing long-term.
Look how long she got away with lying about her job. You would think at some point her lack of money would make this come out, but it didn't.
She claimed at least one living person was the father of Caylee. Maybe she even thought he was, but when that fell through, she put it off on a guy who was killed in a car wreck. Now that is coming back to bite her in the butt. Unless she really has no idea who the father is, why wouldn't she name him, and get child support? Not thinking things through, that's what I think.
She was making claims long before something happened to Caylee she was going to buy her parents home, and they were moving elsewhere. Even if she planned to bump them off to make this happen, did she think it wouldn't make the news? This is not a well-thought-out lie.
JMO
Lanie

I never thought and still don't that Casey had plans to get rid of her parents and take the house, that's just unreasonable. However, I have to wonder if she told Amy about moving into the parents house to try and scam money from her, and then get out of dodge.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

was she named in george and cindy's will to get the house if they died? maybe her statements about the danger to her family from the "kidnappers" was going to cover what happened to them. everyone had believed her before so maybe it never occurred to her that they would jail her instead of looking for these "kidnappers".

 

[LiveLoveLaughLiza]

Remove it from sight. Tamper with evidence.

Oh yes! I agree! Tamper with Casey's help.

 

[NewMommy09]

I don't see things this way. I don't think Casey was capable of seeing long-term.
Look how long she got away with lying about her job. You would think at some point her lack of money would make this come out, but it didn't.
She claimed at least one living person was the father of Caylee. Maybe she even thought he was, but when that fell through, she put it off on a guy who was killed in a car wreck. Now that is coming back to bite her in the butt. Unless she really has no idea who the father is, why wouldn't she name him, and get child support? Not thinking things through, that's what I think.
She was making claims long before something happened to Caylee she was going to buy her parents home, and they were moving elsewhere. Even if she planned to bump them off to make this happen, did she think it wouldn't make the news? This is not a well-thought-out lie.
JMO
Lanie

Considering that nobody knows what Casey has done for work since Universal I have a theory that perhaps she was prostituting, and maybe Caylee was a product of that and Casey doesn't even know who the father is??? Just a theory, really.
I don't even know if I believe that myself, but it crossed my mind and I'm throwing it out there.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I found it odd that George just happened to gave a can of gas in his car when he went to the tow yard to pick up Casey's car. I didn't think it was considered safe to drive around with a can of gas in your car truck. If they had no prior knowledge of the car being abandoned or the supposed reason for the abandonment, then why did he go prepared with a can of gas to put in the car so he could drive it home?

Also the statements from Kiomarie Cruz bothered me. First she claimed that Casey Anthony called her on July 9th asking to borrow $150 or $200 since she had told her that if she ever needed anything to call her. (Stated when she ran into Casey A. while out shopping sometime earlier and told her that.) Later on she claims that the call actually came from a Casey Williams which was an african american friend of hers. I find it a little hard to believe that she could not tell the difference between Casey A. and Casey W. by their voice on the phone. Something about the statements from Kiomarie that just don't seem quite right.

Anybody have any thoughts on any of these things??

IIRC George went to the tow yard didn't have cash and had to return for the car, maybe someone at the tow yard told him there was no gas OR they reached Casey in between the first and second visit. But I do recall they went didn't have cash and had to go back.

Kiomarie-a lot about her bothered me. I doubted her honesty about a few things and don't really know why I felt that way.

 

[Hailiejade77]

ok,.. here is another question. I am pretty sure that it is in the last document file. One of the friends said that Lee said he never heard of Zani before. Is that correct or did I read it wrong?

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Considering that nobody knows what Casey has done for work since Universal I have a theory that perhaps she was prostituting, and maybe Caylee was a product of that and Casey doesn't even know who the father is??? Just a theory, really.
I don't even know if I believe that myself, but it crossed my mind and I'm throwing it out there.

her wage and hour report showed she worked until 2nd quarter of 2006

 

[momsickle]

I don't see things this way. I don't think Casey was capable of seeing long-term.
Look how long she got away with lying about her job. You would think at some point her lack of money would make this come out, but it didn't.
She claimed at least one living person was the father of Caylee. Maybe she even thought he was, but when that fell through, she put it off on a guy who was killed in a car wreck. Now that is coming back to bite her in the butt. Unless she really has no idea who the father is, why wouldn't she name him, and get child support? Not thinking things through, that's what I think.
She was making claims long before something happened to Caylee she was going to buy her parents home, and they were moving elsewhere. Even if she planned to bump them off to make this happen, did she think it wouldn't make the news? This is not a well-thought-out lie.
JMO
Lanie

I agree - it's almost like 8 to 10-year old logic. And telling a neighbor (Kiomarie) that her father died and mother was in another state - did I get that right? She may not know who the father is - but also not very far ranged thinking not to find out for the prospect of support.......

 

[french75]

The Casey Anthony/ Casey Williams thing really bugs me too. I don't buy Kiomarie's story.

Something does seem strange about that, especially with the fiance not wanting to cooperate.

But on the other hand, I'm sure we're all guilty of some dense moments where a mistake like that could happen.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

ok,.. here is another question. I am pretty sure that it is in the last document file. One of the friends said that Lee said he never heard of Zani before. Is that correct or did I read it wrong?

I read the same thing, but I think I read it in the 2nd document file. It's so hard to remember though. 400 pages is a lot to read through and remember. But, I know I remember reading somewhere that a friend stated Lee had never heard of Zani but DID know that Caylee was with "a nanny"..he just never met the nanny, never heard her name, and knew nothing whatsoever about her.

 

[Chesapeake]

like i said, its just a gut feeling. i've had one of those weird lives that has exposed me to all sorts of loons and i get feelings about people. all just opinion on my part of course.

Originally Posted by swa
How in the world could you come to the opinion that George was seeing a Dominatrix from those documents

Seeing one? Hell he was married to one IMO

 

[MommaD]

Whew! Finally found it, its the one with the arrows on it, Hope it helps


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...808,-81.307926&spn=0.116832,0.222473&t=h&z=13

thank you very much. i still was looking too . thanks again..

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I don't see things this way. I don't think Casey was capable of seeing long-term.
Look how long she got away with lying about her job. You would think at some point her lack of money would make this come out, but it didn't.
She claimed at least one living person was the father of Caylee. Maybe she even thought he was, but when that fell through, she put it off on a guy who was killed in a car wreck. Now that is coming back to bite her in the butt. Unless she really has no idea who the father is, why wouldn't she name him, and get child support? Not thinking things through, that's what I think.
She was making claims long before something happened to Caylee she was going to buy her parents home, and they were moving elsewhere. Even if she planned to bump them off to make this happen, did she think it wouldn't make the news? This is not a well-thought-out lie.
JMO
Lanie

I think she was capable of seeinglong term as well, hence the passport conversation. Howvever, once Cindy located Casey at Tony's, things started unravelling quickly and I don't believe she had her ducks in a row. This is when everything started falling apart. Prior to that point her plans were in motion and nobody seemed to suspect her for anything, except her parents.

 

[jpaull]

Hey! My first post! Been lurking for a few weeks.

After reading the documents, a few thoughts...

1. Anyone else annoyed at how long the detectives spent telling Casey she was a liar after she already had admitted it? It seemed like they dwelled on that way too much when they should have been trying to get the truth. Why did they not make Casey take them to the supposed ACTUAL places where Zenaida was living? I know the whole Zenaida thing was a lie but it didn't seem like they wanted Casey to tell them the truth as much as they just wanted to hound on her for lying in the first place.

2. Casey told Jose Baez when leaving jail that she is innocent... but innocent of what? She certainly cannot claim she is innocent of the charges that have actrually been filed against her (Child Endangerment, Obstruction, etc)? Even SHE cannot deny those charges anymore.

3. I am still baffled that George and Cindy are backing Casey now. They know she is a pathological liar. What could she have possibly said to them that they not only are convinced of her innocence, but don't believe that what she is saying is a lie?

These are mostly rhetorical questions but I am curious what everyone thinks and if anyone can shed any light on these things.

 

[Lanie]

I agree - it's almost like 8 to 10-year old logic. And telling a neighbor (Kiomarie) that her father died and mother was in another state - did I get that right? She may not know who the father is - but also not very far ranged thinking not to find out for the prospect of support.......

And I actually forgot a big one. 'No, I'm not pregnant, I would have to have sex to be pregnant...' (Not ACTUAL quote, just paraphrasing.)
Where was she going with that whopper?
Lanie

 

[cluesplease]

After having finally gotten through all 429 pages of documents I am more disgusted and discouraged than ever. There were a couple of things that stood out to me though. I don't know if these have already been brought up because I couldn't read all the posts I had missed plus all the released documents too. If they have already been discussed then please excuse.

I found it odd that George just happened to gave a can of gas in his car when he went to the tow yard to pick up Casey's car. I didn't think it was considered safe to drive around with a can of gas in your car truck. If they had no prior knowledge of the car being abandoned or the supposed reason for the abandonment, then why did he go prepared with a can of gas to put in the car so he could drive it home?

Also in the official statments given by George and Cindy, they mentioned the car but they NEVER mentioned anything about the smell in the car which I found strange. Wouldn't they think that was important to put in their statements? Also since LE obviously tried to collect everything that was or had been in the car, why didn't Cindy mention the pants and go ahead and turn them over to LE at the same time. The knife that she washed was obviously mentioned and collected so why not the pants too?

Amy said in her statement that Casey and Ricardo had a big fight over Casey bringing Tony to a birthday party that she had for her friend Troy on June 6th. Supposedly he was mad because he and Casey were still sleeping together at that time. Yet when you read Ricardo's statement there is no mention of any fight/falling out between him and Casey. Their split was supposedly mutual with no hard feelings on either side and they remained friends. So did Amy actually witness this fight or is it another one of the things that Casey just told her about? If it did really happen then why wasn't Ricardo honest about it in his statement? Also found it interesting that the last time he was Casey with Caylee was on June 9th when she spent the night with him. Strange co-incidence on the June 9th date being the same date Casey alledgedly dropped Caylee off with the nanny.

Also the statements from Kiomarie Cruz bothered me. First she claimed that Casey Anthony called her on July 9th asking to borrow $150 or $200 since she had told her that if she ever needed anything to call her. (Stated when she ran into Casey A. while out shopping sometime earlier and told her that.) Later on she claims that the call actually came from a Casey Williams which was an african american friend of hers. I find it a little hard to believe that she could not tell the difference between Casey A. and Casey W. by their voice on the phone. Something about the statements from Kiomarie that just don't seem quite right.

Ok I think that is it for now. I stayed up all night reading all the documents and it is catching up with me now. Guess it is time to get some shut eye but I wanted to mention these things first before I forgot any of the detrails from the documents.

Anybody have any thoughts on any of these things??

I am constantly thinking about THE SAME ISSUES YOU STATED as well!!I am especially thinking about Ricardo and "the fight". It seems strange to me that Caylee's disappearance was just after this fight which wasnt even mentioned by Ricardo in his interrogation.It has always been strange to me that Casey hung out with Amy and Ricardo when they were dating,such a short time after she herself and Ricardo had been dating...wasnt that awkward for them all to say the least?Maybe Ricardo isnt revealing everything..perhaps he and Casey were still sleeping together longer than Amy (and Tony) knew.I just dont know..but I feel there's something more to this...

As for Kiomarie,,,STRANGE. Did detectives ever call the number of Casey Williams?I esp think its strange that Kiomarie said her fiance would not allow LE to search their phone records.I cant imagine mixing up friends,just because they share the same name.Doesnt add up..

AAAHH..the car,the smell.So much more to that as well.George is covering up something.

I cant stop thinking about it all.I read all 400 pages,and all the info is swimming in my head...

 

[FloridaKatz]

An LE "Fruedian Slip" ???

Did anyone else notice that in doc. # 17290449 in the police report sections (specifically pg. 47), in the upper area under "Assignment", LE refers to this case as a "Major Case Homicide" ?? All the while they keep saying on TV interviews that they are going on the believe that they are still looking for a missing child...

Just thought that was kind of "telling" of what LE is thinking...IMO

 

[Lanie]

Hey! My first post! Been lurking for a few weeks.

After reading the documents, a few thoughts...

1. Anyone else annoyed at how long the detectives spent telling Casey she was a liar after she already had admitted it? It seemed like they dwelled on that way too much when they should have been trying to get the truth. Why did they not make Casey take them to the supposed ACTUAL places where Zenaida was living? I know the whole Zenaida thing was a lie but it didn't seem like they wanted Casey to tell them the truth as much as they just wanted to hound on her for lying in the first place.

My thoughts on this were they were trying to keep her on track, and take her step by step through her lies to make her see the logic of how this was not helping to find Caylee. It almost seemed like it was going to work a few times. I've dealt with this before, and it is like you have to go step by step and slowly back someone like this in a corner before you get anywhere with them, and then that's only if you are lucky, have a lot of time, and a lot of patience.
Lanie