Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #73

[ketel0ne]

Cindy might work the morning shift perhaps 7 to 3, George appears to possibly work 3 to 11.

But worked different hours June 16th and when Greta asked her about what time she got home it was later than that as well. The middle of the month seems to be an odd time for this family.

 

[Beagle1]

Actually sim cards can be purchased in many locations without any ID. Find one to fit your phone. We shop by the best deal and memory load, its over the counter.

I just asked my son who works for a cell phone company about the prepaid simm cards. He said that the simms must be activated. No ID is required. He said that the buyer is asked for a name, but they don't check it. Any name can be given.

 

[Patty G]

Elly, George has said he heard the garage doors go up and went out to see her and they met in the garage, IIRC

Sure would like to know if the 24th was the day Casey backed her car up to the garage?

I know Greta OTR last night said the neighbor said the shovel was borrowed on the 18th ... but I don't recall reading that anywhere. Did you?

 

[summert1129]

Sorry I mentioned Greta's special.

Don't apologize! Yeah, we're all tired of the same things being thrown around by the media and yeah, we all want real "breaking "news", but we all end up watching any and all news reports/interviews, etc... so, TY for the info! We'll all be watching

 

[Blink34]

Casey has been arrested, for other crimes. She's in jail and not getting out. There is no rush to hastily charge her for more crimes at the moment. It's better to have all it i's dotted and t's crossed than to rush into a murder charge. Which BTW, a good DA would not allow. And I would bet that if there is a possibility that this is a death penalty case, it will go before a grand jury before and indictment is handed down. That's standard operating procedure these days. A grand jury can take 6 months or longer. There are cases that I know of where the grand jury has been seated for years.

DNA tests are not a quick thing. I seriously don't understand where people get that idea. You have prelim results, then more testing on those results, than more testing on those. Mark F's comment the other day about testing in this case was very enlightening. IIRC, He said if the prelims in this case came back with nothing, then the state wouldn't bother doing the more in-depth expensive tests that is now being conducted.

I agree, additionally, I do not believe that Casey would not have received a $500K bond, tatamount to no bail, in most legal circles for the charges she is currently facing.. I also believe that her parents would have made bail for her if they actually believed they would let her out if they posted it, they are aware if they post she will be arrested on the more serious charges circling over her cell. Baez could have filed to the Supreme Court for the appeal to the bail reduction, and if they did not have anything else, he would have gotten it- he did not, because he does not want to be in a situation where he learns about the evidene they have against his client in a forum where it is not shared discovery first..
I agree with Suz that this has all the makings of a GD indictment first- I asked once already- does this county have a convening GD or sitting?

 

[ketel0ne]

I just asked my son who works for a cell phone company about the prepaid simm cards. He said that the simms must be activated. No ID is required. He said that the buyer is asked for a name, but they don't check it. Any name can be given.

Net10 even online allows you to skip the id part, the phone can be activated just at the phone as well.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

So I think it is interesting to see if she had the gaz replaced in those cans or they were actually empty sitting in her car.

Was she going to leave them sitting in the yard? Remember she was likly the one who busted the lock on the shed, she knew her parents would replace that lock.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Net10 even online allows you to skip the id part, the phone can be activated just at the phone as well.

bought my 9 year old a phone for Christmas put it in her name no I.D. needed

 

[Patty G]

But worked different hours June 16th and when Greta asked her about what time she got home it was later than that as well. The middle of the month seems to be an odd time for this family.

Which OTR interview is this in so I can look at the transcripts for that info. When I reponded I just guessed at the hours they all work in that house.

I know this was one of my questions when I was doing my theory, as I wanted to know when Cindy went to work.

 

[shannon718]

This is one officers answer to the question "are any cell phones really untraceable" I thought this was really informative. In regard to my insistance that you must provide id to activate a simm, apparently I am WRONG. It is the case in NYC, most likely because we have very hyped up security for a lot of reasons...but I you are right about the go phones etc. In particular walmart does not check. We don't even have a Walmart in NYC....(ive never even been in one wouldn't know. But this officers answer gives great insight on how things are just not really untraceable in this day and age. : ) Hope this helps!



I actually just worked a case similar to this. A guy had a prepaid phone and several phones that had been disconnected*. The caller was calling our 911 center to the tune of 6000 times in a 3 month period. Talking vulgar to our female dispatchers. We tracked him by his coordinates and recovered the phones. He is currently awaiting federal charges.

*when a phone is not programmed, it is still able to make emergency calls. If there is no telephone number assigned to the phone then it shows the phones serial number. It took us almost 3 months to catch him. But I got thank you cards from all the dispatchers over it. well worth it. It was one of the most challenging cases I've worked since I've been in investigations.
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[ketel0ne]

So I think it is interesting to see if she had the gaz replaced in those cans or they were actually empty sitting in her car.

Was she going to leave them sitting in the yard? Remember she was likly the one who busted the lock on the shed, she knew her parents would replace that lock.

If she was there on the 24th, I don't think the reason was to bring back gas cans.

 

[Blink34]

Sure would like to know if the 24th was the day Casey backed her car up to the garage?

I know Greta OTR last night said the neighbor said the shovel was borrowed on the 18th ... but I don't recall reading that anywhere. Did you?

The first mention of the 18th as the date that I am aware of was on Greta via Mark Fuhrman, from " a souce".. I have always read that the neighbor said, mid-late June, and to me the 18th does not jive with the shed burglary on the 24th- I dont find the 18th as the "source" says as credible until I see the neighbor interviewed and says " I KNOW it was the 18th because I was headed out to mailbox and was met by Publisher's Clearing House with a Giant Check with the date 6-18 written on it..

I believe the "back up" to the garage and the shovel borrowing were on the same day.. But if George says she had access to get into the garage, she would not have needed to borrow it, so I think the shovel borrowing and "reverse Park" are on 6/27 ish, when she dumped the car and the gas and the dirt were in it..

 

[AmyD]

I'm just not putting much thought into the gas can story of the 24th. It came from George (who I don't trust), and it took him weeks to come up w/ this story.

 

[TripleA]

I may be wrong, but I think the real timeline here is 6/23-6/27

That does not explain why noone has come forward and said that Caylee has been seen anywhere since the 15th of June (except if you believe GA that he saw them leave on the 16th). That is still the 16th of June, a week before the 23rd. There has been noone (except JG's original statement that he heard Caylee on the 24th but then he recanted that and said he only heard Casey saying "get off the table" and is not positive that he did hear a response from Caylee). Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there is not one person who can positively account for Caylee since June 15th (or June 16th according to George).

 

[TripleA]

Another thing about the phones. Even if Casey had an unregistered simm card, the calls to her friends/family will show on their records, yes? no?

 

[ShouldBWorking]

That does not explain why noone has come forward and said that Caylee has been seen anywhere since the 15th of June (except if you believe GA that he saw them leave on the 16th). That is still the 16th of June, a week before the 23rd. There has been noone (except JG's original statement that he heard Caylee on the 24th but then he recanted that and said he only heard Casey saying "get off the table" and is not positive that he did hear a response from Caylee). Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there is not one person who can positively account for Caylee since June 15th (or June 16th according to George).

TripleA I agree, have said before how can anyone think it happened any days other then the 15th or 16th? no one will admit to seeing her since then

 

[ketel0ne]

Which OTR interview is this in so I can look at the transcripts for that info. When I reponded I just guessed at the hours they all work in that house.

I know this was one of my questions when I was doing my theory, as I wanted to know when Cindy went to work.

It is where they are in the kitchen talking about the ladder. Greta asks her what time she gets home.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

That does not explain why noone has come forward and said that Caylee has been seen anywhere since the 15th of June (except if you believe GA that he saw them leave on the 16th). That is still the 16th of June, a week before the 23rd. There has been noone (except JG's original statement that he heard Caylee on the 24th but then he recanted that and said he only heard Casey saying "get off the table" and is not positive that he did hear a response from Caylee). Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there is not one person who can positively account for Caylee since June 15th (or June 16th according to George).

Your correct

 

[Blink34]

That does not explain why noone has come forward and said that Caylee has been seen anywhere since the 15th of June (except if you believe GA that he saw them leave on the 16th). That is still the 16th of June, a week before the 23rd. There has been noone (except JG's original statement that he heard Caylee on the 24th but then he recanted that and said he only heard Casey saying "get off the table" and is not positive that he did hear a response from Caylee). Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but there is not one person who can positively account for Caylee since June 15th (or June 16th according to George).

That is true, you are correct, but imo just because no-one saw her does not mean that she was already "gone". It does not prove anything either way, except the last time a corroberated sighting of 6/16

 

[TripleA]

That is true, you are correct, but imo just because no-one saw her does not mean that she was already "gone". It does not prove anything either way, except the last time a corroberated sighting of 6/16

At this point in the game, someone would have told police if they saw Caylee in June/July and when it was. A friend/neighbor/storeclerk/or even a stranger on the street who could positively identify when and where they saw little Caylee would have come forward by now.