Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #76

[LI_Mom]

I understand that...she actually believed that additional charges can't be filed (which they can). To come out and say that if LE had anything they would have filed the charges by that date otherwise they couldn't is just another "mistruth". (Unless, Baez hasn't informed them of the law.) Being "relieved" or "happy" in light of the fact that her granddaughter is still missing is the wrong "face" to present to a public that is reeling from the loss of this child. My point was that they will hold onto the notion that their grandchild was kidnapped till the end. One day Casey will come home and I wonder how they'll reconcile that with the fact that their grandaughter won't. They'll have only served to protect their daughter, not to bring justice for this little girl. IMO, she (Caylee) and only she deserves to be protected...if in memory only.

I agree with everything you've said.

About the only thing I can add is that this is exactly why the family should have hired an experienced PR person to help them deal with this horrifying mess Casey has created.

The family seem to be fairly intelligent & well spoken & THAT'S been their downfall.... believing that that would be enough to help them get through this. Even for people who are able to control their emotions (which I think the Anthonys do).... something like this is going to rock you to the core & force you to say very regrettable things.

It's their very ability to stay calm, cool & collected that probably allowed them to have endless patience with a very immature & out of control Casey for so long. They banked on HER growing up if only they could live through her acting out & bad behavior period.

Who could imagine that the situation would take such a DISGUSTING turn?

These people are SO lost in their grief & personal guilt over failing Caylee... they just don't know HOW to 'help' Caylee without losing Casey as well.

 

[impatientredhead]

Another thing I find odd is George's statement about last seeing both Casey and Caylee on June 16th. Why would he just reference the time they were leaving? (Well, I know why...but still it's odd.) Why not say they were home all morning and left the house at @1:00pm? It sounded as if they just popped out and left? I doubt they were confined to the bedroom for half a day. JMO, but still bizarre.

The question he was answering was when did you see her last. They may have also talked to him about Casey's mood and demeanor that morning, but I don't interpret that to mean Casey and Caylee popped out of the room and left.

 

[s_finch]

But when she was showed a picture of her, Casey said she never met her. She wasn't trying to frame her.

That's because Casey didn't know what ZG looked like, she only had the identity.

 

[technicalconfusion]

This is the STRANGEST thing for me as a Mom. I don't live with my parents, but they live a few blocks away. They are involved with the daily lives of my children and several times have had to pick them up/drop off from daycare if I had a late meeting or was out of town for a conference (as they would keep my kids). They know all my kids' teachers.

I just find it very weird that GPs never met the nanny for a year and GM says it's cuz she never came to the house. My parents are my emergency contacts at my kid's schools and have been called at least twice when the school couldn't reach me if one of my sons was sick and had to be picked up.

My mom is elderly, no longer drives and hasn't been able to hold my son since he was 6 months old.

But, she is the emergency contact, and has all of my numbers that pertain to my son, including the babysitter when we used one. While she never met the sitter, she knew her by name.

I also had my sitter's mother's phone number. I knew what went on in the sitters life, re her kids, different things happening. She was talked about amongst us. Part of the family for as long as she watched my son.

Not if a furious public knows she's holed up there. I can imagine throngs of people outside, carrying signs and chanting "WHERE IS CAYLEE?" nonstop, til it drives the occupants mad and they shove Casey out the door just to make it stop. The crowd manages to get out of Casey what the parents and LE couldn't.

WIth all the pictures of her floating around on the internet, she'll never be able to hide, unless it's on an island that has never had internet connections or cell phones.

 

[harleysnana]

OK, I know this has been brought up many, many, many times and I've been scolded already BUT, with Cindy working in the health care field dates are very important I just can't get pass the fact of mistaking the 9th for the 16th. The 9th is relevant for some reason. Even Amy had mentioned the 9th.

This is only a guess... I would think that she normally may be good
with dates but when the thought of her granddaughter being kidnapped came
into question all dates etc. probably became one running nightmare.

I can see how it may have taken her and George a while to remember the dates and details.

I can't imagine being able to think straight…..dealing with the thought of
your only granddaughter being kidnapped or possibly murdered!

I don’t think it’s fair for everyone to question their motives when none of us have
ever been put in their position.
JMO

 

[yosande]

And why would she think it a "victory" unless she fully anticipates Casey could be charged with something much more severe, like murder? Also, she should certanly know that there is no statute of limitations on murder. I don't understand her thinking!

Cindy wanted Casey arrested and jailed for one purpose, to get her granddaughter back. For a minute here and there, she regretted that, but not for long and not often because last week, before Caylee's birthday, she was calling LE to come get more evidence, why? A message to Casey.
Step back and look at it from a different perspective.
I think LE is beginning to figure out what's really going on.

 

[RR0004]

This was the way I interpreted it as well, not for Casey's sake but because to her that meant the police didn't have proof that Caylee is dead.

Good point...still wouldn't describe anything but locating Caylee a "victory", but that's JMO.

 

[AmyD]

That's because Casey didn't know what ZG looked like, she only had the identity.

Right. But if you were going to frame someone as your kidnapping babysitter, you would need to know what they looked like.

 

[panthera]

Check this out.

Please keep in mind that this is a cheap service, it only costs $12.00 - if you are willing to pay more I'm sure someone out there will get you whatever information you want.

Thank you! It just aroused my curiousity that anybody could pay just $12.00 and get so much information. I know all these things are available through peoplefinders and other places, but you'd first have to know the person's name. This one where you can find out who someone is just from their license plate is scary! And my state is on that list!!

 

[fixingtoburst]

Right. But if you were going to frame someone as your kidnapping babysitter, you would need to know what they looked like.

Casey, probably described her as hispanic and went with they stereotypical description. She thought she was really clever.

 

[LI_Mom]

I'll stop here and explain the next much important REASON for all this, in the next post.

Thanks for sharing AprilShowers.

I guess you needed PROOF that people loved you & would protect you no matter what??

 

[LindaK]

This is only a guess... I would think that she normally may be good
with dates but when the thought of her granddaughter being kidnapped came
into question all dates etc. probably became one running nightmare.

I can see how it may have taken her and George a while to remember the dates and details.

I can't imagine being able to think straight…..dealing with the thought of
your only granddaughter being kidnapped or possibly murdered!

I don’t think it’s fair for everyone to question their motives when none of us have
ever been put in their position.
JMO

Sooooo true! We all know what stress does to the memory! It's hard to even imagine they know their own names at this point. My God, imagine how it feels to not know where this poor baby is -- such a huge part of their lives. The pain is unimaginable.

 

[RR0004]

I agree with everything you've said.

About the only thing I can add is that this is exactly why the family should have hired an experienced PR person to help them deal with this horrifying mess Casey has created.

The family seem to be fairly intelligent & well spoken & THAT'S been their downfall.... believing that that would be enough to help them get through this. Even for people who are able to control their emotions (which I think the Anthonys do).... something like this is going to rock you to the core & force you to say very regrettable things.

It's their very ability to stay calm, cool & collected that probably allowed them to have endless patience with a very immature & out of control Casey for so long. They banked on HER growing up if only they could live through her acting out & bad behavior period.

Who could imagine that the situation would take such a DISGUSTING turn?

These people are SO lost in their grief & personal guilt over failing Caylee... they just don't know HOW to 'help' Caylee without losing Casey as well.

You're very right in your thinking. When your world is spinning out of control, you tend to want to control that which is in your power to control at that moment in time.

 

[lovesbooks]

My son, wife and childreb live in ANOTHER state abd I have MET their babysitter.

 

[crocus]

Oh sorry, I didn't realize it was putting such big spaces between the lines.

I guess I was trying to space the information out in small increments, so it wasn't so long and overwhelming.

Big spaces? I hadn't even noticed. I am finding your posts very interesting.
Please, go on. I don't think anyone else is worried about your spaces. I also like that you are breaking them up into different posts.

 

[Leila]

Why didn't George or Cindy return any of the many calls from Casey?

Amster.............this is the one question that's been bugging me ever since Mark Fuhrman made that statement about the phone calls and the time frame of June 16th - 18th. It was very obvious that Mark Fuhrman had access to Casey's cell phone records.

On June 16th, Casey left the Anthony home at 12:50pm and George left for work at about 2:30pm.

At about 3:00pm to 4:00pm there was a flurry of calls from Casey's cellphone to her mother, father, and two other (un-named) people. There were 6 calls each to Cindy and George, and all calls were unanswered. The calls were made to their cellphones and places of work.

At 4:00pm, the calls ceased until about 6:00pm, at which time there was another flurry of calls from Casey. This flurry of calls lasted until about 7:30pm and again were unanswered. After 7:30pm there were no more calls until the next day, June 17th.

On June 18th, Casey came to her parent's home when they were not there, backing her car into the driveway, which was unusual for her. She borrowed a shovel from the neighbor, and returned the shovel within an hour. There was another flurry of phone calls on this day.

We know that no one has seen Caylee since she left the Anthony home on June 16th - not any family member or those within Casey's circle of friends.

Something happened on June 16th.

The one thing that immediately jumped out at me is the fact that the flurry of phone calls from Casey to her family - to their cell phones and places of work, went unanswered. This strongly suggests that there had been some sort of heated argument in the past 24 hours, perhaps an ultimatum, and George and Cindy were ignoring Casey's calls. Unanswered calls means, "we're done talking about it."

If we knew the answers to what transpired between June 16th and June 18th, we'd know what happened to Caylee.

Whatever happened between June 16th and June 18th was done and over by Friday, June 20th, because Casey was happy and living it up at the Fusian club, bumping and grinding with a girl on stage as if she didn't have a care in the world!

 

[Dorvillian]

But when she was showed a picture of her, Casey said she never met her. She wasn't trying to frame her.

I think it an important part of her story that the real ZG never be found, what if this "Hispanic woman" that she has seen at the Sawgrass Apartments has a solid alibi?

Casey would need to keep the waters muddy to keep her story going. But she must have thought that someone by that name lived there - not that she was just a one time visitor - I think that's what really tripped her up.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

So very interesting. As I said, is it possible that Casey actually believes herself?

I have believed this along

 

[rozey]

This is only a guess... I would think that she normally may be good
with dates but when the thought of her granddaughter being kidnapped came
into question all dates etc. probably became one running nightmare.

I can see how it may have taken her and George a while to remember the dates and details.

I can't imagine being able to think straight…..dealing with the thought of
your only granddaughter being kidnapped or possibly murdered!

I don’t think it’s fair for everyone to question their motives when none of us have
ever been put in their position.
JMO

The only thing I'm questioning is why the 9th stuck in all their minds. Why was the same date used by Casey, Cindy and Amy? What happened to ingrain that into their minds. No doubt the stress has to be out of this world, I don't envy the GP's and I don't assume to know their motivations. But I have learned through experience that when something keeps revisiting itself there's something up.....

 

[LI_Mom]

Casey, probably described her as hispanic and went with they stereotypical description. She thought she was really clever.

There seems to be a large Hispanic population in Orlando so it would seem a logical description to give.