Caylee Is Not Findable - FACT?

[mitzi]

I have always wished that someone like Tone would visit KC and act like he still cares and talk to KC and get her to give him some information. She might do it for him I think if he lays it on thick and leads her to believe that he still cares. I think it makes more sense to try to get her to tell the truth - JB will never let her tell the truth but maybe Tone could get it out of her?:waitasec:

I think it could be very possible that TonE did do just that. Didn't LE say something during his interview that they didn't want to discuss "something" with him? I read somewhere that TonE gave 4 interviews, how many have we read? Two? Wonder what is in the other ones. And if he did visit her in jail, there could be a recorded conversation that they just haven't released.

 

[mitzi]

AMEN TO THAT. It's gonna be an awesome spectacle, the trial it is, when LE lays it on the table and say's "here you go." The side circus will be CA/GA getting grilled like they NEVER have before. Notice every interview with CA, when she doesn't like the question she changes topics. Not gonna do that on the witness stand. If she gets belligerent, they'll declare her hostile. Witness stands aren't for the argumentative. The Atty directing the questions HAS ENTIRE CONTROL. And after she finishes testifying, she can't raise her hand (lol) and go back up there and add stuff to what she said!!

IMO, the "A"'s think they're trial and fame is that of OJ and Peterson...hence the "celebrity" attitude. They have a highly inexperienced atty and one expert witness who the prosecution will start the questioning with " Dr. Lee...have you EVER tampered with a crime scene?" And he'll slink down in is chair...credibility shot. Then Kobi comes up.." Have you ever publicly said that you agreed that the evidence was overwhelming against KC?" And roll out the NG tapes...and off he goes down the commode. By then JB will be lost in space, with CA, GA, LA, and the statements they said.

I really think they may bring Ol' Sparky down from Raiford to speed things up. It will be that open and shut---without the body. I am blocking off my schedule for the trial so I can work from home and watch this piece of trash shed her croc tears when they say " DP..."

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[mitzi]

Are you talking about a state or federal law? Can you point us to, or provide the link, the law or regulation that addresses this?

What if LE has found Caylee, and the FBI has requested they keep that info to themselves because the FBI is working on the future arrests of others related to this case. Others, who may be the "next of kin" in the notification process. Is this a possibility?

 

[mitzi]

That's interesting, thanks. This is Florida STATE law though. And I'm wondering if it were possibly the FBI that found Caylee, then I would think at that point Federal law would apply (which overrides state law). So I'd still like to see if NJ can provide a federal citation that addresses notification to next of kin for us to take a look at.

And who is deemed to be "next of kin"? Is it the entire family? Or, whomever has the closest family connection? Would they only have to notify Casey in this case, since she is the next of kin? Or since she's in jail accused of Caylee's murder, would Cindy and George then become Caylee's next of kin?

Ahhhh, I see we are thinking along the same lines here, Janis. Just got to your post.

 

[mitzi]

This would explain the A's recent behavior. Lee disappears, G & C pedaling fast and furious to plant reasonable doubt. I go with this scenario.

This quote above in regards to LE already finding Caylee and telling the next of kin.

AND Cindy looking like death warmed over!

 

[magnolia]

The reason is simple....LE can collect evidence, test it, etc...only when they decide to use it as evidence, do they have to disclose it to the defense as discovery. Technically, they dont even have to disclose their findings. Thats up to the defense to figure out why they are using the evidence. In most cases, they do say what they found..but they're not obligated to share their results, just the evidence.

That is why I find the 4 or 5 statements regarding the rope and freshly dug hole so interesting. They are disclosing the evidence to the defense that they plan on using these statements. Now its the defense's turn to depose these ppl and see what they know. If anything was collected, only AFTER the LE finish testing will they have to give the items over in discovery so they can test them

Thanks~ I still disagree that LE is withholding the discovery of Caylee's remains.

 

[LeLe1953]

I think he's already bitten, but from a different poisoned apple. LOL. Please allow me just this one time to be this vague, and I promise as soon as I can when this trial is over, I will tell you what I meant and what I know.

Right now, I'd give up WS's and even my mother's watch, rather than risk tipping that contemptible moron off with what I've been told by an expert who knows. Trust me, you will love it.

For those of you who hate unsubstantiated innuedoes like this, please allow me just this one "Gimme." I won't ask for another. I promise. :blowkiss:

I can hardly wait. I for one will be patient as I think it will be well worth it.
The minute the verdic is in though, ya gotta spill!

 

[JWG]

What if LE has found Caylee, and the FBI has requested they keep that info to themselves because the FBI is working on the future arrests of others related to this case. Others, who may be the "next of kin" in the notification process. Is this a possibility?

What are the laws (if any) regarding notification of next-of-kin when the body of a relative has been identified? GA and CA have publicly stated they want to know when Caylee has been found, alive or dead. If her remains were found and identified, and GA and CA were notified, even if they decided to keep it secret I think the public would notice a marked change in their behavior.

 

[Macushla]

What if LE has found Caylee, and the FBI has requested they keep that info to themselves because the FBI is working on the future arrests of others related to this case. Others, who may be the "next of kin" in the notification process. Is this a possibility?

Considering the number of people involved IF Caylee had been found, I doubt it would have stayed secret. You would have the orginal searchers, the OCSO, the Medical Examiner's Office, any lab that did any DNA testing on the remains, etc. Too many possibilities for a leak, especially in a high profile case like this one. While everyone would WANT to try and keep it low key, someone would just not be able to keep quiet. As to next of kin, Casey is STILL Caylee's next of kin, doesn't matter that she is in jail. I would imagine that OCSO would, as a courtesy notify CA and GA if a body and identification had been made. But the most compelling reason as to why I don't think this has happened - CA would never, under any circumstances, be able to keep her mouth shut!!! she would immediately start giving reasons as to why Casey was not involved - she just couldn't help herself.

 

[FloridaKatz]

Bumping up for further discussion.

The point of this post is that the local news are showing shots of TM & TES members standing on the shoreline during this search, which would lead one to believe that THEY are the ones that found Shawn. I surely hope that TM/TES does not try to take credit for this find, as it was a friend of Shawns that found him, searching on his own. It would certainly upset Shawn's friend and Shawn's family to hear someone else taking credit for finding him. If TM/TES does take credit for the find, I have to wonder what other finds have occurred that they took credit for where it was someone else that is non-TES that made the find.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/3/body_found_by_manatee_cove.html

MERRITT ISLAND -- The body of a missing boater has been found in Manatee Cove.

Shawn Waters disappeared while fishing Nov. 23. His ganoe, a canoe that's equipped with an outboard motor, was found a few days later overturned and abandoned.

According to Florida Fish and Wildlife, around 1 p.m. Wednesday, Waters' body was found floating face down approximately 10 feet from shore in 18 inches of water by one of his friends. The body was found less than a mile from where his ganoe was discovered.

 

[RammerJammer]

I think he's already bitten, but from a different poisoned apple. LOL. Please allow me just this one time to be this vague, and I promise as soon as I can when this trial is over, I will tell you what I meant and what I know.

Right now, I'd give up WS's and even my mother's watch, rather than risk tipping that contemptible moron off with what I've been told by an expert who knows. Trust me, you will love it.

For those of you who hate unsubstantiated innuedoes like this, please allow me just this one "Gimme." I won't ask for another. I promise. :blowkiss:

Sign me up for the newsletter! Anxiously waiting...

 

[Amity]

Apologies if this has already been brought up....I've only read a couple pages of this post but wanted to post my thoughts so badly..

Not only Tim's daughter but several cases in the last 10 years where searchers looked thoroughly in areas with no results and one year, two, sometimes more, a body is found accidentally by a hiker, tourist, biker, etc.

Think Tim's Daughter, Think Chandry Levy.
Only difference here, if Caylee is buried, an adult body has more/larger bone than a 2.5 year old baby.
But there is still the possibility of finding little clothes, shoes, plastic sunglasses, even a skull (I'm sorry for that graphic).

Personally, I just don't see Casey tromping down to murky water's edge to dispose of that baby.
From a bridge to the water, maybe.

But Casey was too much into crime shows and would know/worry that a body will eventually resurface. Casey would be taking a chance in 'hoping' the alligators got the body first before it had a chance to resurface.
With the crime shows she watched, she knew about cell phone pings, knew about decomp, knew about a body possibly surfacing in water.

I have a gut feeling Caylee isn't 'close' but an hour or two away.

 

[tiredofthis]

This would explain the A's recent behavior. Lee disappears, G & C pedaling fast and furious to plant reasonable doubt. I go with this scenario.

This might also explain why LE wasn't interested when LP searched the river at Blanchard Park.

 

[Oakley]

Apologies if this has already been brought up....I've only read a couple pages of this post but wanted to post my thoughts so badly..

Not only Tim's daughter but several cases in the last 10 years where searchers looked thoroughly in areas with no results and one year, two, sometimes more, a body is found accidentally by a hiker, tourist, biker, etc.

Think Tim's Daughter, Think Chandry Levy.
Only difference here, if Caylee is buried, an adult body has more/larger bone than a 2.5 year old baby.
But there is still the possibility of finding little clothes, shoes, plastic sunglasses, even a skull (I'm sorry for that graphic).

Personally, I just don't see Casey tromping down to murky water's edge to dispose of that baby.
From a bridge to the water, maybe.

But Casey was too much into crime shows and would know/worry that a body will eventually resurface. Casey would be taking a chance in 'hoping' the alligators got the body first before it had a chance to resurface.
With the crime shows she watched, she knew about cell phone pings, knew about decomp, knew about a body possibly surfacing in water.

I have a gut feeling Caylee isn't 'close' but an hour or two away.

When I first heard KC had said that "she's close" my initial thought was Caylee's body was close to their house. I am beginning to wonder if she didn't mean emotionally, i.e., she's not among the living but this mother-daughter bond is too strong to break and she will always live in my heart. Maybe I am reading too much into KC's thoughts - who can figure her out? I know she doesn't think like a normal person but thought I'd throw that out there for what it is worth.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Nedtham, you are correct EXCEPT that they don't have to notify the family UNTIL THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE OF POSITIVE ID FROM DNA.

If not, LE could bang on their door everytime they found a body until trial. Plus it opens liability to LE to incorrectly notify the wrong family.

I think you're both right, BUT the LE may have her body, awaiting DNA results for ID, and therefore owe no explanation to anyone until proven so.

Valrico: LE does not have Caylee. This isn't a game and had they found ANY body or portion of a body they would call in a family member for identification or check her dental records or do DNA testing. This would be done immediately, and the family would be notified.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Gala, they will eat anything dead or alive. Sometimes if they are full and something is alive, they will go ahead and kill it then "stuff" it under the mud (bog, whatever) - let it rot and then go back to it. They eat rotten meat all the time.

Just to end this:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/kids/wild_things/tortuga/ttex_alligator_info.phtml

Alligators pretty much eat anything moving or not.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Gala, they will eat anything dead or alive. Sometimes if they are full and something is alive, they will go ahead and kill it then "stuff" it under the mud (bog, whatever) - let it rot and then go back to it. They eat rotten meat all the time.

Just to end this:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/kids/wild_things/tortuga/ttex_alligator_info.phtml

Alligators pretty much eat anything moving or not.

 

[FloridaKatz]

Valrico: LE does not have Caylee. This isn't a game and had they found ANY body or portion of a body they would call in a family member for identification or check her dental records or do DNA testing. This would be done immediately, and the family would be notified.

I'm not so sure about that. This case has become political and the DA and/or LE doesn't have to disclose anything to JB that is currently being tested or investigated. (and they can just say at the last minute before trial, "oh", we just came upon this).

 

[Oakley]

Valrico: LE does not have Caylee. This isn't a game and had they found ANY body or portion of a body they would call in a family member for identification or check her dental records or do DNA testing. This would be done immediately, and the family would be notified.

Nedthan, how would a family identify bones and soft tissue (if any?)
Also, a 2 year old would not have dental records.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Nedthan, how would a family identify bones and soft tissue (if any?)
Also, a 2 year old would not have dental records.

I never said they would identy BONE. If there were any identifying marks on Caylee that were noticable, birthmark, etc. Perhaps any jewelry. Many families are called in for identification. I just finished reading Blood Brother on Laci Peterson and Sharon Rocha was called in to identify Laci prior to positive DNA testing.