Cell Phone Activity Discussion Thread #2

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The phones are important not only because of the calls but of photos, notes, etc. Contact lists. If the one phone of Deb's is the phone that was seen in the door photo of Baby Lisa it was definitely a smart phone of some sort. You can have all kinds of apps with these phones that could wield a lot of information about the habits of a person. The phone records don't show what apps someone uses, or at least my phone bill doesn't. I have 3 smart phones on my bill, my own, neice, and son and all my bill tells me is the plan itself it doesn't tell me what app they used etc.

Jersey just seems to be a convenient pinup boy because of his past record.

Police seem to be solid in thier "we've moved on". I think they know exactly where Jersey was during that time and have seemed quite satisfied in it from the get go. To mean that means he was either in a holding cell somewhere, a hospital, or other iron clad alibi
 
In order for me to believe that DB was the one that made the calls, I need to see some more. As it stands now, I would have to have the following assumptions, where there is nothing factual that points to the following speculations:

a) DB attempted a call at 11:57pm. Let's assume she didn't know the phones were restricted. She definitely would have found out this fact by seeing the call not go through

b) The call supposedly went to MW's number. As of today, I have seen no link whatsoever that connects DB with MW/Jersey or anyone else who lived in the flop house. I have also heard no evidence that explains the purpose of the call.

c) The vm and internet attempts past 3am. If DB made the call at 11:57, it seems likely she also made the vm attempts. The vm attempts do not explain what she was trying to hear. The internet attempts do not explain anything either. What would she be looking for on the internet?

d) After the vm attempts she would need to hide the phones. If only one phone was used, why hide all three? Why not just claim one phone was stolen? I then have to accept that she still had the phones in the house because I do not believe she would of had enough time before JI got home.

e) The only reason she would be checking vm's would be to possibly see when JI was coming home (to see if he left a message). This would also indicate that JI would not know what was going on with BL (if this was some elaborate plan by DB/JI and the phones were part of the plan, why would JI call the phone and leave a vm, which could be tracked?).

f) She would of had to hide the phones in the house, then leave the house to LE for over 48 hours, hoping they wouldn't find it but at the same time consented to a search. She also would have to hide it in such a way not to let JI or anyone else know. She would also have to know how to make the phones stop pinging.

That's a lot of assumptions to make. There is no evidence to support any of it at this time.
 
Hi In Da Middle!! I have been a longtime lurker/ reader here @ WS. I enjoy reading your insight on the case with it being so close to home.. Just a quick question to the above post. Sorry to put you on the spot but if you don't mind sharing with us on where your cell phone was stolen from? Sorry if you answered this already.
More than likely I either set it down somewhere or dropped it somewhere and somebody nabbed it. It could have been taken from my car, but I almost always keep it locked and nothing else was ever missing from it.
 
More than likely I either set it down somewhere or dropped it somewhere and somebody nabbed it. It could have been taken from my car, but I almost always keep it locked and nothing else was ever missing from it.

thanks for responding..now was it stolen at your home in your neighborhood or were you out and about. Just interesting that your phone was stolen too. Oh when did this happen??recently??:)TIA
 
In order for me to believe that DB was the one that made the calls, I need to see some more. As it stands now, I would have to have the following assumptions, where there is nothing factual that points to the following speculations:

a) DB attempted a call at 11:57pm. Let's assume she didn't know the phones were restricted. She definitely would have found out this fact by seeing the call not go through

I don't see a problem with that.

b) The call supposedly went to MW's number. As of today, I have seen no link whatsoever that connects DB with MW/Jersey or anyone else who lived in the flop house. I have also heard no evidence that explains the purpose of the call.

That is currently a problem but just because we haven't seen anything that connects them directly does not mean that there aren't any for certain. If you can connect anybody to Kevin Bacon in six degrees of separation there are ways to connect people living in the same city and moving in the same neighborhoods. Jersey appears to be acquainted with several people in DB's neighborhood so he or MW or someone else who might have used that phone may have had opportunities to meet and common acquaintances.

She might not even have been the one to make that call if, as suggested, there were people coming and going that night that the parents weren't answering tough questions about. If there are such people it might mean that they have something to hide and people who have something to hide might not be completely honest about who they know. I don't know if there is any drug use in DB's close circle or if there is anybody in MW's house that sells them but supposing that was the connection nobody might be too eager to admit it. But, that is just speculation with nothing to back it up. Just MOO that simply because we're not aware of a reason for a midnight phone call or a connection between DB's phone and MW's number does not mean that there isn't one.


c) The vm and internet attempts past 3am. If DB made the call at 11:57, it seems likely she also made the vm attempts. The vm attempts do not explain what she was trying to hear. The internet attempts do not explain anything either. What would she be looking for on the internet?

I don't know... what was the intruder looking for on the internet? Information and advice, e-mails and social media to contact someone or see if you've been contacted?
If JI was expected home at 10 pm it wouldn't be strange to try and see if he left a message imo. Just not that well thought out if her story was that she was asleep.

d) After the vm attempts she would need to hide the phones. If only one phone was used, why hide all three? Why not just claim one phone was stolen? I then have to accept that she still had the phones in the house because I do not believe she would of had enough time before JI got home.

I guess it depends, enough time to do what? Some places she could have put them outside the house are just a moment or two away. If she checked the voice mail at 3:22 there is time to get a couple of houses away and back although not a lot of time to think about it.

e) The only reason she would be checking vm's would be to possibly see when JI was coming home (to see if he left a message). This would also indicate that JI would not know what was going on with BL (if this was some elaborate plan by DB/JI and the phones were part of the plan, why would JI call the phone and leave a vm, which could be tracked?).

I'm not that inclined to think that there was an elaborate plan but I am not sure I understand that train of thought. It would IMO make sense for JI to call and leave a message either way. If he was just an innocent father out to make a dollar he would like to call home and let them know that he was going to be late. And if he was a not-so-innocent father who knew something bad was up with Lisa it would still make sense for him to call and try to let them know he was going to be late because that's what an innocent father might do. Tracking the voice mail would not tie him into the crime in any way, it only establishes part of his alibi. It's just the checking voicemail part in DB's end that is a problem if she was supposed to be sleeping at the time.

f) She would of had to hide the phones in the house, then leave the house to LE for over 48 hours, hoping they wouldn't find it but at the same time consented to a search. She also would have to hide it in such a way not to let JI or anyone else know. She would also have to know how to make the phones stop pinging.
Do we know that she didn't let anyone else know about the phones? Maybe she has a good friend who would keep them for her a couple of days. There could be something on that phone that the friend wouldn't want the police to see either.

I'm not sure why DB or anybody else needs to know how to make the phones stop pinging. Don't the pings stop on their own if the power runs out or the phones get too wet or if they get run over by a car or something? She would only have to know how to make the phones stop pinging if she traveled with them to the other side of the town and didn't want anybody to know but there doesn't seem to be time for that.

That's a lot of assumptions to make. There is no evidence to support any of it at this time.

No but I don't think there is that much evidence to support any other phone theories either. Where did Jersey put the phones so that they'd ping close to the house but not be found by the police? What was a random stranger looking for on the internet? Why did Mr. B check DB's voice mail? He didn't have any more time to hide the phones than DB did if he was to make MT's sighting at 4 am.


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DB would of had to do more than just hide them. She would of had to made sure those phones were not pinging after a certain time.

Not following the logic here.


Why? Why would she need to have made sure of that? Cell phones stop pinging on their own once enough time passes or when they get destroyed.
 
If I am not mistaken, I think if you take out the batteries it can't be pinged.
 
I don't see a problem with that.

If she knew for certain by the time after the 11:57 call, why make (2) vm attempts 3 hours later? Are we to also assume she would know that she could get incoming calls, despite the fact she would have no vm indicator to tell her she had a vm?

That is currently a problem but just because we haven't seen anything that connects them directly does not mean that there aren't any for certain. If you can connect anybody to Kevin Bacon in six degrees of separation there are ways to connect people living in the same city and moving in the same neighborhoods. Jersey appears to be acquainted with several people in DB's neighborhood so he or MW or someone else who might have used that phone may have had opportunities to meet and common acquaintances.

I agree, that's why I prefaced by saying 'what we know at this time'. I'm not of the mind to assume there are things there when we haven't been told of them. If info comes out that does provide some sort of link, my thinking can and will change.

She might not even have been the one to make that call if, as suggested, there were people coming and going that night that the parents weren't answering tough questions about. If there are such people it might mean that they have something to hide and people who have something to hide might not be completely honest about who they know. I don't know if there is any drug use in DB's close circle or if there is anybody in MW's house that sells them but supposing that was the connection nobody might be too eager to admit it. But, that is just speculation with nothing to back it up. Just MOO that simply because we're not aware of a reason for a midnight phone call or a connection between DB's phone and MW's number does not mean that there isn't one.

I don't disagree, I was looking at a strictly DB herself making that 11:57 call. Bring others into it as far as if they could of made the call complicates the cell phone stuff beyond however complicated it already it.


I don't know... what was the intruder looking for on the internet? Information and advice, e-mails and social media to contact someone or see if you've been contacted?
If JI was expected home at 10 pm it wouldn't be strange to try and see if he left a message imo. Just not that well thought out if her story was that she was asleep.

Yup, mentioned why I think that would be the only reason for her to check vm's.

I guess it depends, enough time to do what? Some places she could have put them outside the house are just a moment or two away. If she checked the voice mail at 3:22 there is time to get a couple of houses away and back although not a lot of time to think about it.

I don't think she could of hid them very well in that short amount of time. At least not without going back, getting them and rehiding them. Unless she always had them on her person, once they told police about the missing phones, the situation concerning them is out of their control. This also tells me that JI isn't involved. If he knew about the phones, why volunteer that info to LE right away?

I'm not that inclined to think that there was an elaborate plan but I am not sure I understand that train of thought. It would IMO make sense for JI to call and leave a message either way. If he was just an innocent father out to make a dollar he would like to call home and let them know that he was going to be late. And if he was a not-so-innocent father who knew something bad was up with Lisa it would still make sense for him to call and try to let them know he was going to be late because that's what an innocent father might do. Tracking the voice mail would not tie him into the crime in any way, it only establishes part of his alibi. It's just the checking voicemail part in DB's end that is a problem if she was supposed to be sleeping at the time.


Do we know that she didn't let anyone else know about the phones? Maybe she has a good friend who would keep them for her a couple of days. There could be something on that phone that the friend wouldn't want the police to see either.

That's bringing other people in on it (collaborating) and I just find that hard to believe at this time.

I'm not sure why DB or anybody else needs to know how to make the phones stop pinging. Don't the pings stop on their own if the power runs out or the phones get too wet or if they get run over by a car or something? She would only have to know how to make the phones stop pinging if she traveled with them to the other side of the town and didn't want anybody to know but there doesn't seem to be time for that.

Again, she would need time (15 mins) to do that and hide them. She would have to know to do that ahead of time.

No but I don't think there is that much evidence to support any other phone theories either. Where did Jersey put the phones so that they'd ping close to the house but not be found by the police? What was a random stranger looking for on the internet? Why did Mr. B check DB's voice mail? He didn't have any more time to hide the phones than DB did if he was to make MT's sighting at 4 am.


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Why? Why would she need to have made sure of that? Cell phones stop pinging on their own once enough time passes or when they get destroyed.

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Why do we think that somebody must have known how to make the phones stop pinging? [Not that I think it's impossible to know. Anybody who has watched a cop show or followed a missing person's case might have learned about phones pinging. ) I just don't understand how we know that somebody stopped it on purpose. Do we know when the pings stopped? Did all three phones stop pinging at the same time? That night or some time after?

It of course stands to reason that if somebody stopped the pinging on purpose he or she must have known how to do that but IMO nobody has to know and the pings will stop eventually anyway.
 
Could JI have tried to access VMs from another phone?
 
The one thing I keep going back to regarding the phones is that if it were a thief/intruder, it seems more likely to me that he would have tried all 3 phones. (I know all questions gone over and over and over...). It's just what seems more likely to me.

I think she was worried about where JI was, and was fiddling with the phones. Maybe some manual programming on them like she said she was. And hit a wrong number. Except she wasn't supposed to be awake in the first place.

She did it without thinking, and somewhere along the way, it dawned on her IF the phones were right there on the counter, it would show them accessed and show she was awake.

Just that simple.

Speculation only, JMO always.
 
More than likely I either set it down somewhere or dropped it somewhere and somebody nabbed it. It could have been taken from my car, but I almost always keep it locked and nothing else was ever missing from it.

In da Middle, do you know if the pings from your stolen phone (both the VM calls and the internet attempted access) were ever traced by LE?
Wait- did I already ask that? :waitasec:
 
Could JI have tried to access VMs from another phone?

I thought that too, then I remembered and went back and all I can find is that (all this phone activity)it is written that it is/was Deborah's phone that has/had the activity, 11:57-3:27 and 3:32, not jeremy's or even the "loaner" phone.

I have wondered if phone company's can tell if batteries have been removed from a phone. Like would it show a "disconnect so to speak.
 
thanks for responding..now was it stolen at your home in your neighborhood or were you out and about. Just interesting that your phone was stolen too. Oh when did this happen??recently??:)TIA
I happened to be out and about ALL over the place that day and it was over a year ago. I really think it happened in my travels that day.

In da Middle, do you know if the pings from your stolen phone (both the VM calls and the internet attempted access) were ever traced by LE?
Wait- did I already ask that? :waitasec:
No police report filed. I just chalked it up to my own carelessness that day. It was just a nice phone, nothing great. I never even thought at the time to ask for ping info or if they would even give it to me. I just bought a cheap replacement and had a new sim made for it. When I went in to get the sim made is when they let me know about the other activity that was made before I had it suspended and being attempted on it after I had it suspended.
 
How far did we say the river is from JI's home?

I just keep thinking if I needed to get rid of a phone or phones I'd just toss them in the river. Done. Over with. No need to worry about anyone finding them. This could have been done that first night or someone taken them out of the home and gotten rid of this way at another time.

MOO
 
How far did we say the river is from JI's home?

I just keep thinking if I needed to get rid of a phone or phones I'd just toss them in the river. Done. Over with. No need to worry about anyone finding them. This could have been done that first night or someone taken them out of the home and gotten rid of this way at another time.

MOO

How are you throwing them in the river? It ain't easy to walk to the river. Driving would be problematic because 1) there would be other cars to see you throwing something out and they might get your license plate 2) you might miss on a busy highway.

The only place nearby that I can think *might* be easy to get something into the river or a backwater channel is by Harrah's Casino. Not the Choteau bridge but the bridge that circles along the river and goes over the backwater.

That's my issue with folks saying they were tossed in the river. It's a lot harder than it sounds.
 
thanks for responding..now was it stolen at your home in your neighborhood or were you out and about. Just interesting that your phone was stolen too. Oh when did this happen??recently??:)TIA

Had been pondering the same question.
 
How are you throwing them in the river? It ain't easy to walk to the river. Driving would be problematic because 1) there would be other cars to see you throwing something out and they might get your license plate 2) you might miss on a busy highway.

The only place nearby that I can think *might* be easy to get something into the river or a backwater channel is by Harrah's Casino. Not the Choteau bridge but the bridge that circles along the river and goes over the backwater.

That's my issue with folks saying they were tossed in the river. It's a lot harder than it sounds.
Thank you! That is what I have been trying to get through on here. Just because it looks close on google, google does not show you what all it REALLY takes to get to the river. IF the phones or the baby were put in the river, it was not very probable that it was done right here. It would more than likely have been done further upstream or downstream where access is better and more private. The bridges here are very busy 24/7 and the access here was really messed up at the time from the flooding and other obstacles. At night it would have had to be someone VERY familiar, not just someone doing something at the spur of the moment.
 
heads up: on FB Ron Rugen has posted that this week he will be gaining access to MW's cell records.

"First, tonight I'm meeting Megan Wright and she's authorizing her cell records to be released to me. Her authorization will be witnessed by a notary."

so perhaps this will mean confirmation that the call didn't go through. although i don't really think JP was lying, lol.

ETA: oh, i see Ron himself posted this in another thread!
 
posting this here because it is more relevant to cell phones rather than the Jersey thread where i previously posted it.

a little clarification from Rugen on fb:

1) public confirmation that 50 sec phone call made from Deborah Bradley's phone did not make it through or get answered 2) Who all called or texted. 3) if, when Jersey used her phone as they dated, he had contact with anybody related to this. Someone called Megan's phone for a reason that night.
http://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI

that seems like it's going to take weeks, lol. but it's awesome that he is doing it.
 
At night it would have had to be someone VERY familiar, not just someone doing something at the spur of the moment.

If you live in the area it's most likely you are familiar with the area.

Watched one of the residents who live there do a drive on YouTube from DB home to the river and it wasn't that far at all, they went over the RR tracks and I think the old casino was around there.

Not much traffic I would venture to say out at that time of night either, throwing the phones would be as easy as throwing a little baby.

Yes, I'm obsessed on the river theory although it could be like the lady from TN, the body could be in plain sight and not been found at all. :(
 
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