Cell Phone Activity Discussion Thread #2

[hambirg]

There were three cell phones taken. One was Debbies broken phone, one was a borrowed phone and the third was?

JI's which may or have may not been at the house all night.

 

[hambirg]

bbm if they were restricted and he had a work phone why wouldn't he just use that phone and keep his phone at home? Makes sense to me it would be left if he couldn't use it to make calls anyways, I am sure people important to him had his work phone number and knew how to contact him that way.

On another note I wonder if DB or JI had a pre paid cell for emergency's. I know my husband put one in my car in case my phone was stolen/lost and something happened. If they were doing something shady or contacting people for things they wouldn't want traced its something that is a possibility. I wonder if MW received any odd phone calls around the time of Lisa's disappearance. I guess she might not even know if it was a phone used by a lot of people.

We don't know when they found out their phones were restricted. We do know that JI claims to have called sometime that night and the call didn't go through. But why would he call earlier? I have not heard one thing that leads me to believe that they tried to use the phones earlier and found out they were restricted. And even if it was restricted. . .why would he leave it at home if he normally carries it? He could. reportedly, still receive calls on it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

We don't know when they found out their phones were restricted. We do know that JI claims to have called sometime that night and the call didn't go through. But why would he call earlier? I have not heard one thing that leads me to believe that they tried to use the phones earlier and found out they were restricted. And even if it was restricted. . .why would he leave it at home if he normally carries it? He could. reportedly, still receive calls on it.

BBM
Do we know that JI always carried his personal phone while on a job? If he knew that the phone was restricted, perhaps he decided to leave it on the counter. Kind of hard for us to say one way or the other. IMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

We don't know when they found out their phones were restricted. We do know that JI claims to have called sometime that night and the call didn't go through. But why would he call earlier? I have not heard one thing that leads me to believe that they tried to use the phones earlier and found out they were restricted. And even if it was restricted. . .why would he leave it at home if he normally carries it? He could. reportedly, still receive calls on it.

With all the coincidence's going on in this case it would not surprise me that he didn't know.

This could have been the one bill she was suppose to pay and didn't.

She could have just told him to leave the phone so she could program new #'s.

I know one think to be true, My husbands phone and my phone are NOT programmed with the same #'s, and I'll bet most couple's phone are not as well.

 

[cityslick]

We don't know when they found out their phones were restricted. We do know that JI claims to have called sometime that night and the call didn't go through. But why would he call earlier? I have not heard one thing that leads me to believe that they tried to use the phones earlier and found out they were restricted. And even if it was restricted. . .why would he leave it at home if he normally carries it? He could. reportedly, still receive calls on it.

You are making some assumptions here though. You are assuming he always carries it when he goes to work. You are also assuming he would know they were restricted and that he would know he could still receive calls.

I've stated in an earlier theory that the call that JI made IMO has nothing to do with the phone he used. He would of been using a work phone, different plan. The call he tried to make would make sense that he was called to let DB know he would be home late (according to JI he stayed longer than he thought).

Are you suggesting that JI had his personal phone the whole time and then hid it when he got home? What would be the point of that?

 

[GoodGurl]

One thing that I've wondered about is that DB said that her 'original' phone had a speaker problem and was broken. It's been assumed, I believe, that this is the phone that the call to MW was attempted on. Why would DB attempt to make a call on her supposedly broken-speaker phone? Doesn't that mean she wouldn't be able to talk on it even if she got connected?

 

[cityslick]

One thing that I've wondered about is that DB said that her 'original' phone had a speaker problem and was broken. It's been assumed, I believe, that this is the phone that the call to MW was attempted on. Why would DB attempt to make a call on her supposedly broken-speaker phone? Doesn't that mean she wouldn't be able to talk on it even if she got connected?

I've seen the assumption go the other way actually, that the call had to been made/attempted on the loaner phone. To me that's harder to explain, the attorney said DB's phone. Also, there is no evidence that loaner phone had service as well as no evidence that service was transferred to that phone.

I keep struggling with trying to figure out how to explain DB made the call. Like you said, her own phone wasn't working too good (which is why she had the loaner phone in the first place) and I at first assumed the loaner phone had service already but several have mentioned there is no evidence of this. That would leave JI's phone so I guess she could of tried to use that one at 11:57. We also don't know what phone was used to check vm's. Was JI's phone a smartphone?

 

[GoodGurl]

I've seen the assumption go the other way actually, that the call had to been made/attempted on the loaner phone. To me that's harder to explain, the attorney said DB's phone. Also, there is no evidence that loaner phone had service as well as no evidence that service was transferred to that phone.

I keep struggling with trying to figure out how to explain DB made the call. Like you said, her own phone wasn't working too good (which is why she had the loaner phone in the first place) and I at first assumed the loaner phone had service already but several have mentioned there is no evidence of this. That would leave JI's phone so I guess she could of tried to use that one at 11:57. We also don't know what phone was used to check vm's. Was JI's phone a smartphone?

People refer to someone's "phone" as meaning actually their phone number (people change style of phones so often). So it tracks when the lawyer said DB's phone, he would mean whichever phone had her number at the time the call was attempted. I believe I have read in the threads before discussion that her number could have been transferred to the loaner phone even with restricted service. But I don't really see the point in doing that.

 

[matou]

I forget if this was mentioned: is the kitchen counter visible from the window that had the busted screen?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

People refer to someone's "phone" as meaning actually their phone number (people change style of phones so often). So it tracks when the lawyer said DB's phone, he would mean whichever phone had her number at the time the call was attempted. I believe I have read in the threads before discussion that her number could have been transferred to the loaner phone even with restricted service. But I don't really see the point in doing that.

This is a good point, do we kow if transferring anumber to a different phone would leave a paper trail of that being done? Any phone techies here that can answer that please?

 

[GoodGurl]

As to whether the phones could be seen from the busted window screen, I believe the answer to that is no. But possibly they could be seen from the front?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_final-1.jpg

 

[Detective Klimpt]

According to the Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook, a cell phone was found today during one of the searches. It was turned over to LE. No other info yet. I hope this is ok to report here.

Edit:

Awww. They are saying the case is white, and the Irwin's phones are black.

 

[Meri]

I just saw that over there, too, but someone posted it was a Virgin Mobile phone, which they did not have. Although, I didn't see in the thread where anyone mentioned the kind of phone it was for this poster to say this. Maybe I missed it.

 

[SyraKelly]

I would like to know when LE knew about the phones being stolen?-they are not mention until the 6
Did DB/JI tell them about it that night or did LE find out during an interview a few days later.B/C LE went back to the house on the 8 with metal detectors.
I also think its strange that all this phone usage was when DB was alone and then the usage stops just before J gets home and the phone are never used again!
I also think it strange that its only DB's phone that got used and not other 2..
whoever had the phones did not even bother to try and use the other 2-why!!

 

[In da Middle]

I would like to know when LE knew about the phones being stolen?-they are not mention until the 6
Did DB/JI tell them about it that night or did LE find out during an interview a few days later.B/C LE went back to the house on the 8 with metal detectors.
I also think its strange that all this phone usage was when DB was alone and then the usage stops just before J gets home and the phone are never used again!
I also think it strange that its only DB's phone that got used and not other 2..
whoever had the phones did not even bother to try and use the other 2-why!!

Steve Young has corrected himself that the phones were reported first thing. Can't find the interview as it seems it is no longer available.

 

[askfornina]

Steve Young has corrected himself that the phones were reported first thing. Can't find the interview as it seems it is no longer available.

http://fox4kc.com/2011/10/07/new-twists-in-search-for-baby-lisa/

“I can confirm that the family told us that there are three cellphones missing from the home. They told us that that morning. What the detectives have done with that I don’t know,” said Capt. Young earlier on Thursday. “Clearly it hasn’t led to a big break in the case or I’d probably be able to talk about it. I can’t get into details of what we’re doing but it’s safe to say we’re leaving no stone unturned.”

 

[nursebeeme]

PLEASE THANK THIS POST BEFORE POSTING

The Lisa Irwin forum appears to be made up of cliques. You know, the type you have in high school before you begin to understand that there are a lot of interesting people and places in the world and your fear of such limits the personal boundaries you set for yourself. The disrespect between the two cliques is tiresome.


That being said, we need another review of the rules (which is really just a curtesy as everyone should know them or how to find and read them by now): This is NOT hard. Post YOUR thoughts, theories and interpretations (easy enough right?). Read the thoughts of others (not hard). Respond to those that may be of a like mind (okay, that should work). If you disagree with another poster and cannot post nicely, MOVE PAST THEIR POST (how hard is that?) If another poster gets under your skin, PUT THEM ON IGNORE (only takes about a minute). If you must refute their post - then use a link and state the fact as YOU see it (you all know this case, it can't be that hard). THEN DROP IT! That's it. See, not hard. If a post offends you, ALERT it, DO NOT RESPOND TO IT, and MOVE ON. It is okay to disagree, but it is NOT OKAY to attack or make fun of others. AND THE SNARK...well, that needs to just STOP.



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[askfornina]

Interesting quote I hadn't seen before from LE re: phones from Nov.15th

Although attorneys for Bradley and Irwin have released some information about the use of the phone, police declined to release specific information, saying, “It’s a pretty big part of our investigation.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/1...brother.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

 

[hambirg]

Bringing it over from another thread, where I said I think LE believes at least one of the phones was tampered with.

I don't believe there is a SODDI (JB is still a small thought, but unless there is some other evidence or a stronger motive, I don't think so.)

DB says she had been having problems with her phones.

JI made some cryptic comment about "somebody who was cheating on her husb. . ."

It is just a theory of mine, that JI might have been monitoring DB's phone. A night when he was going to be at work for the first time, DB was going to be partying with a neighbor who is apparently a cheater and who's husband was also going to be gone. . .JI might have wanted to know what was really going on. And I'm not totally convinced that his suspicions were wrong. LE has said, in a case where they have said so very little, that they need to speak to DB and JI separately and that they have questions about who was there that night.

ETA. . .phone tampering is a federal crime. It would explain the FBI involvement, because I am not convinced the FBI was still involved in an alleged "kidnapping" on Oct 19th, when LE had been searching the landfill early on. . .also the woods and the river. In the Ayla Reynold's case the FBI left almost as soon as they arrived. The same in the Sky Metalwala case. . .they left as soon as they were convinced Sky wasn't shipped overseas. MOO

 

[vlpate]

You definitely have something there - Lisa is not listed as kidnapped on the FBI website, nor is she listed as abducted or missing on the other sites.

DN, DB's father came out right away explaining one of the phones belonged to DB's grandfather - an old phone. Would you think that a 25 year old girl would take a used "old phone" from her grandfather, rather than trading her phone in for a new one? Why would she transfer her phone service on Monday if the phones were cut off - this is also what her father said. Would grandpa's old phone have internet capability? Older people can't see well enough to surf the net on a phone - especially someone old enough to be DN's father - he has to be pushing 70.

The speaker on her phone was broken.... sounds very lame to me. Tampering with her phone would be an option. JB knows how to do that....

Bringing it over from another thread, where I said I think LE believes at least one of the phones was tampered with.

I don't believe there is a SODDI (JB is still a small thought, but unless there is some other evidence or a stronger motive, I don't think so.)

DB says she had been having problems with her phones.

JI made some cryptic comment about "somebody who was cheating on her husb. . ."

It is just a theory of mine, that JI might have been monitoring DB's phone. A night when he was going to be at work for the first time, DB was going to be partying with a neighbor who is apparently a cheater and who's husband was also going to be gone. . .JI might have wanted to know what was really going on. And I'm not totally convinced that his suspicions were wrong. LE has said, in a case where they have said so very little, that they need to speak to DB and JI separately and that they have questions about who was there that night.

ETA. . .phone tampering is a federal crime. It would explain the FBI involvement, because I am not convinced the FBI was still involved in an alleged "kidnapping" on Oct 19th, when LE had been searching the landfill early on. . .also the woods and the river. In the Ayla Reynold's case the FBI left almost as soon as they arrived. The same in the Sky Metalwala case. . .they left as soon as they were convinced Sky wasn't shipped overseas. MOO