Cell Phone Activity Discussion Thread #2

[cityslick]

I have never heard of a phone company restricting the phone to incoming calls for a few hours and then restricting all calls. What would be the point? Either it was totally restricted or it was restricted to only accept incoming calls.

I thought of something.

What if JI's call had nothing to do with whether the phone he was calling was restricted, it just wasn't available (like, the carrier couldn't get the signal from the receiving phone). Only thing I'm not sure of is if someone can leave you a vm on a restricted number.

 

[Karmaa]

wow, this family's timing on so many things isjust utterly amazing. thanks for clearing that up.

Yes. They are either the most diabolically brilliant people ever, or the luckiest. Of course, in order to make all of this work, they had to have planned Lisa's demise, planned for JI to be working that night, planned for the phones to be restricted, planned to have Jersey seen all over the neighborhood, planned for Jersey to dognap Callie, planned to have calls made to people they don't know, and all of that other stuff. Yep, they are diabolically brilliant. They did all that, and managed to do it so perfectly that they wouldn't be caught. Of course, they are kind of dumb to have brought up the drinking and the time checks, but no one is perfect, right?

 

[lil momma]

Picerno did not say that the call from JI to DB went to the call center. He said that it went to the out-of-service message.

So no one is lying. We have all been using a "fact" that is not actually a fact. JI's call did not go to the message center.

ETA: Well, someone MAY be lying, lol. You never know. But this situation doesn't indicate it.

I agree, now that i have read the other post you posted...LOL. Got it

 

[lil momma]

I thought of something.

What if JI's call had nothing to do with whether the phone he was calling was restricted, it just wasn't available (like, the carrier couldn't get the signal from the receiving phone). Only thing I'm not sure of is if someone can leave you a vm on a restricted number.

I believe you can leave a message on a restricted phone, however, the person who's phone is restricted wouldn't be able to retrieve it unless they went to another phone and called their own restricted phone..JMO

 

[curvecuti]

I thought of something.

What if JI's call had nothing to do with whether the phone he was calling was restricted, it just wasn't available (like, the carrier couldn't get the signal from the receiving phone). Only thing I'm not sure of is if someone can leave you a vm on a restricted number.

You can't on ATT, IDK about Verizon. I wasn't referencing JI's call, I was talking about them saying the phone could accept incoming calls. Then it was changed to the phones were totally restricted. Which was it? If we believe JI's call went to an out of service message then they phones were totally restricted. I do NOT believe it was one way for a couple hours and then another way later.

 

[Marshmallow]

Yes. They are either the most diabolically brilliant people ever, or the luckiest. Of course, in order to make all of this work, they had to have planned Lisa's demise, planned for JI to be working that night, planned for the phones to be restricted, planned to have Jersey seen all over the neighborhood, planned for Jersey to dognap Callie, planned to have calls made to people they don't know, and all of that other stuff. Yep, they are diabolically brilliant. They did all that, and managed to do it so perfectly that they wouldn't be caught. Of course, they are kind of dumb to have brought up the drinking and the time checks, but no one is perfect, right?

I wasn't being sarcastic but sense you are.
my thanks for the clarification were sincere.

 

[In da Middle]

Yes.... what are you trying to say? The call should have rang on DB's end, according to Picerno's statement that the restricted phones could take incoming calls.

But if she didn't hear it ring. It would then go to the message that the phones were not able to leave a message. Therefor go to the message center. Yep, went through this over the weekend trying to call a family member for Thanksgiving plans. Tried calling them and it rang 3 or 4 times then went to the not working message. Come to find out, he didn't pay the bill. I had just talked to him the day before on his phone.

 

[natsound]

But if she didn't hear it ring. It would then go to the message that the phones were not able to leave a message. Therefor go to the message center. Yep, went through this over the weekend trying to call a family member for Thanksgiving plans. Tried calling them and it rang 3 or 4 times then went to the not working message. Come to find out, he didn't pay the bill. I had just talked to him the day before on his phone.

Well then I guess your family member could not receive incoming calls. Makes no sense that the recipient would be able to take the call only if they picked up, but if the recipient didn't pick up, the caller would get a "not operable" message, which is what JI got when he attempted to reach DB.

 

[In da Middle]

Well then I guess your family member could not receive incoming calls. Makes no sense that the recipient would be able to take the call only if they picked up, but if the recipient didn't pick up, the caller would get a "not operable" message, which is what JI got when he attempted to reach DB.

I am only going by it rang 3 or 4 times before I got the message this time. Before when his phones were cut off it went directly to the message without ringing first. He is in this position often. I do not know which carrier he has though.

 

[Allusonz]

I have never heard of a phone company restricting the phone to incoming calls for a few hours and then restricting all calls. What would be the point? Either it was totally restricted or it was restricted to only accept incoming calls.

It could actually of been both.

How many here have had service representatives say pay by today/tomorrow/certain date or it is cut off?

This can be cell phones, telephone bill, water bills et al. It is not uncommon and what I have found since the economy has become worse many of these companies have become less forgiving.

Since I pay all my bills at the end of the month both personal and for my business I now make sure that there is some sort of credit on the account in case the payment through online banking does not reach them in time.

 

[Elley Mae]

I have been away for a few. So excuse me for asking. Didn't Deborah have a "third" phone? her Father's iirc because hers was off for failure to pay. Wouldn't Jeremy have known this and called her on that line?

 

[Nixie]

I have been away for a few. So excuse me for asking. Didn't Deborah have a "third" phone? her Father's iirc because hers was off for failure to pay. Wouldn't Jeremy have known this and called her on that line?

I think the old phone she received was just an old phone, no service. Her phone was broke so I think her father gave her a phone he wasn't using.

 

[curvecuti]

It could actually of been both.

How many here have had service representatives say pay by today/tomorrow/certain date or it is cut off?

This can be cell phones, telephone bill, water bills et al. It is not uncommon and what I have found since the economy has become worse many of these companies have become less forgiving.

Since I pay all my bills at the end of the month both personal and for my business I now make sure that there is some sort of credit on the account in case the payment through online banking does not reach them in time.

Yes, pay a certain date or it is cut off, not it is restricted to incoming calls for a few hours and then later is is totally restricted. I have ATT and have had my service cut off for non payment. It was completely cut off, no incoming or outgoing calls.

 

[yllek]

Yes. They are either the most diabolically brilliant people ever, or the luckiest. Of course, in order to make all of this work, they had to have planned Lisa's demise, planned for JI to be working that night, planned for the phones to be restricted, planned to have Jersey seen all over the neighborhood, planned for Jersey to dognap Callie, planned to have calls made to people they don't know, and all of that other stuff. Yep, they are diabolically brilliant. They did all that, and managed to do it so perfectly that they wouldn't be caught. Of course, they are kind of dumb to have brought up the drinking and the time checks, but no one is perfect, right?

I don't see these points (many of which may not be related to Lisa's disappearance) as summing up to either diabolically brilliant or lucky. Just a series of events in the days leading up to baby's reported abduction. Nothing brilliant or lucky in my view.

I don't think it was dumb or honest of the key witness to have broadcast her heavy drinking and revised time checks. At the point she did so, she had been captured on video buying a large quantity of wine, the neighbor had likely already told police that she'd gone to buy more liquor shortly thereafter, and this key witness had been (self-admittedly) unable to clear up gaps in a very short time line for LE. Getting out in front of it and positioning it to the public before the incriminating information was released from other sources was simply defense and control, imo. I think Mr. Tacopina likely advised his soon-to-be client regarding the pros and cons of this public admission and media tour; they decided the gaps were incriminating enough to go for it and give the world an excuse (true or not) as to why Debbi can't remember the last time she saw her daughter and the events that occured at the home in under a 12 hour time frame.

If Debbi is involved, I think it's very premature to assume that luck and brilliance have prevented her from being "caught". There is not enough evidence yet in this young investigation to charge anyone; I don't think that means anyone has gotten away with anything. I can think of 4 mothers off the top of my head that have missing children, no body, weird and/or suspicious events in the days before and after the reported disappearance... None have been charged, all being actively investigated as LE attempts to locate their children... A willingness to lie, distract and manipulate those around them is all that is required; certainly no keen level of intellect or brilliant planning. Children are easy to hide and infants even more so, sadly.

Debbi and/or Jeremy may be innocent or guilty. If Debbi is in fact innocent, I think it is the perp who was diabolically brilliant and the luckiest person in the world to somehow get Debbi to point so many arrows at herself.

ALL JMO

 

[Sherbie]

I guess everyone who has committed some criminal act is either brilliant or lucky...until they're arrested.

 

[deoneta]

I believe Verizon was the cell phone service provider. This is my experience with Verizon (and I checked with my friend who also has Verizon, and she agreed): when service is restricted for non payment, you cannot call out, the call goes directly to the service center, you can receive incoming calls, callers can leave a message, but you can't retrieve the message while the phone is restricted. We live in a different part of the country, and I suppose plans can differ, but that's what happens to us with Verizon.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I can't speak for cell phones, but I can for land lines. I am a retiree from 'the telephone company'. Anyway, don't know if it's pertinent or not to this discussion, but when the caller hears an audible ring, that does not mean the phone that is called is ringing. In cases where the phone is ringing, the number of rings heard by the caller does not necessarily equal the number of rings heard on the called phone.

 

[stephen40]

I guess everyone who has committed some criminal act is either brilliant or lucky...until they're arrested.

............

 

[cityslick]

I believe Verizon was the cell phone service provider. This is my experience with Verizon (and I checked with my friend who also has Verizon, and she agreed): when service is restricted for non payment, you cannot call out, the call goes directly to the service center, you can receive incoming calls, callers can leave a message, but you can't retrieve the message while the phone is restricted. We live in a different part of the country, and I suppose plans can differ, but that's what happens to us with Verizon.

This again makes me wonder if the JI call hit one of those 'this number is not available' messages, which I guess could come up for any number of reasons.

 

[tlneedham]

I have Verizon as well and have had times my phone was turned off. The only calls and messages I ever got after this happened were from Verizon, telling me I needed to pay. And as the earlier poster said, I could not call out --any attempts would automatically be routed to the Verizon collection center.

One time after I'd been in this lockout limbo for a while, they completely terminated me and I wasn't even routed to the Verizon center if I tried to use the phone--I was just told the service was no longer available. I actually had to get a new plan to get it back on.