Cell Phone Activity Discussion Thread #2

[askfornina]

When you say "plain jane", and as it relates to whether or not whomever had DB's phones could access the Internet, I have to assume you mean it cannot access the Internet and thus, the difference between the two.

I think it is probably relevant to LE when trying to figure out which phone the perp had if one of them could not access the Internet. Since DN said the phone he gave her was her grandma's old on, it would seem that one would be the smart phone, IMO.

i'm confused. i'm not sure what you are trying to convey here. could you put this into different words?

i think my brain is on restricted access now with all of this phone talk :crazy:

 

[cityslick]

are you saying that something that would be described as a "plain jane" phone would not be able to access the internet?

because "older model phones" that aren't "smartphones" are able to access the internet, albeit in a very basic browser.


http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/

just sayin. like you said, not really important. and like i said, it would help to know what type of phones these were.

i've posted too much in this thread today.

With older verizon phones (non smartphone), you actually had to pay extra to use WAP (ie internet) service. Just FYI.

It makes no sense whatsoever that you would browse the internet on an older phone when you had a smart phone available. As long as you had a wifi connection somewhere, you can browse the internet.

 

[askfornina]

With older verizon phones (non smartphone), you actually had to pay extra to use WAP (ie internet) service. Just FYI.

It makes no sense whatsoever that you would browse the internet on an older phone when you had a smart phone available. As long as you had a wifi connection somewhere, you can browse the internet.

thanks cityslick, as for your second paragraph, i agree.

 

[cityslick]

When you say "plain jane", and as it relates to whether or not whomever had DB's phones could access the Internet, I have to assume you mean it cannot access the Internet and thus, the difference between the two.

I think it is probably relevant to LE when trying to figure out which phone the perp had if one of them could not access the Internet. Since DN said the phone he gave her was her grandma's old on, it would seem that one would be the smart phone, IMO.

I think you have it backwards, DB already had a smartphone and she was given and older plain jane phone. As I mentioned, unless the smartphone could not physically power on, I don't know why the perp wouldn't use the smartphone for internet access.

 

[vlpate]

i'm confused. i'm not sure what you are trying to convey here. could you put this into different words?

i think my brain is on restricted access now with all of this phone talk :crazy:

I meant would NOT be the smart phone....one word changes everything. My brother is a geek, and has been since I can remember - he had one of the first cell phones that was carried around in a case - which now conjures up a comical memory in my mind of him, all full of himself for having one, arriving at my office with it in tow, and making a call, which took about 10 minutes just to set up and make lol. He says the only reason they were ever termed "smart" phones was because they were smarter than a regular cell phone with no other features. Being able to access email, which means the phone has to have an operating system and a browser, made it a smart phone. He says the first smart phone was invented in the 90's, but does not remember by whom. Although seemingly not totally relevant here, it is always interesting to me to learn something new.

If both phones could access the Internet, that would seem all that's relevant.

 

[vlpate]

I think you have it backwards, DB already had a smartphone and she was given and older plain jane phone. As I mentioned, unless the smartphone could not physically power on, I don't know why the perp wouldn't use the smartphone for internet access.

As I just wrote, I meant NOT the smart phone...left off not....which only makes sense.

 

[vlpate]

With older verizon phones (non smartphone), you actually had to pay extra to use WAP (ie internet) service. Just FYI.

It makes no sense whatsoever that you would browse the internet on an older phone when you had a smart phone available. As long as you had a wifi connection somewhere, you can browse the internet.

Exactly - and I'm wondering how the perp would manage a wifi connection in the middle of the wooded area everyone is saying the phone was pinged. Or, should we add getting on the Internet inside the house to all the things the perp was doing before exiting the home with Lisa?

 

[askfornina]

I meant would NOT be the smart phone....one word changes everything. My brother is a geek, and has been since I can remember - he had one of the first cell phones that was carried around in a case - which now conjures up a comical memory in my mind of him, all full of himself for having one, arriving at my office with it in tow, and making a call, which took about 10 minutes just to set up and make lol. He says the only reason they were ever termed "smart" phones was because they were smarter than a regular cell phone with no other features. Being able to access email, which means the phone has to have an operating system and a browser, made it a smart phone. He says the first smart phone was invented in the 90's, but does not remember by whom. Although seemingly not totally relevant here, it is always interesting to me to learn something new.

If both phones could access the Internet, that would seem all that's relevant.

oh okay, i see what you are saying now. thanks vlpate

 

[hambirg]

With older verizon phones (non smartphone), you actually had to pay extra to use WAP (ie internet) service. Just FYI.

It makes no sense whatsoever that you would browse the internet on an older phone when you had a smart phone available. As long as you had a wifi connection somewhere, you can browse the internet.

But if you had service for a Smart phone, you would have a data plan. That plan would transfer with the service when DB transferred her service to the plain jane phone. She would still have a data plan. I have never had a Smart phone, but my service plans have always included a bit of data usage.

I agree that it makes more sense to use the browser on the Smart phone. My plane jane phones were a bear to try and browse on, but they were actually not bad for checking e-mail or IMing. I think because the browsing was attempted, it implies the plain jane phone. If it was the Smart phone, I think it would be more than just an attempt. I think they would be able to tell where they browsed with the Smart phone. . .what sights they went on, etc. However, it could have been attempted on the Smart phone, but that phone didn't have service. . .so just an attempt. I'm not sure if they could have a record of that though if the Smart phone didn't have service.

Of course, all MOO.

 

[cityslick]

But if you had service for a Smart phone, you would have a data plan. That plan would transfer with the service when DB transferred her service to the plain jane phone. She would still have a data plan. I have never had a Smart phone, but my service plans have always included a bit of data usage.

I agree that it makes more sense to use the browser on the Smart phone. My plane jane phones were a bear to try and browse on, but they were actually not bad for checking e-mail or IMing. I think because the browsing was attempted, it implies the plain jane phone. If it was the Smart phone, I think it would be more than just an attempt. I think they would be able to tell where they browsed with the Smart phone. . .what sights they went on, etc. However, it could have been attempted on the Smart phone, but that phone didn't have service. . .so just an attempt. I'm not sure if they could have a record of that though if the Smart phone didn't have service.

Of course, all MOO.

Ham, if you browse the internet on the smartphone via wifi, you do not go up against the data plan, only if you browse via 3G (over the air). Also, because it was an urban area, I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that there would have been an unsecured access point in the area.

Don't be so sure that the internet usage could be tracked. If the phone was using the internet via a wifi access point, that history would be on whoever is providing the wifi signal, not the cell provider (since it's not going 'over the air').

 

[hambirg]

Ham, if you browse the internet on the smartphone via wifi, you do not go up against the data plan, only if you browse via 3G (over the air). Also, because it was an urban area, I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that there would have been an unsecured access point in the area.

Don't be so sure that the internet usage could be tracked. If the phone was using the internet via a wifi access point, that history would be on whoever is providing the wifi signal, not the cell provider (since it's not going 'over the air').

That makes sense, but how would they even know about the attempt if it was on somebody elses wifi access point? :waitasec:

 

[vlpate]

Ham, if you browse the internet on the smartphone via wifi, you do not go up against the data plan, only if you browse via 3G (over the air). Also, because it was an urban area, I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that there would have been an unsecured access point in the area.

Don't be so sure that the internet usage could be tracked. If the phone was using the internet via a wifi access point, that history would be on whoever is providing the wifi signal, not the cell provider (since it's not going 'over the air').

You're right, if the perp was within range of a router, the phone would pick it up. The way they would find out which router would be to find out which website was visited and have them check ip's for that time. Do we know the exact type of phones DB had? I don't think her phone was totally broken, I think just the speakers, so, if the service hadn't been transferred yet, she'd likely still be able to use her own phone. The thing to find out is, which phone had service before it was cut off, because if grandma's was an "old" phone, it most likely didn't have service when it was given to her by DN. One didn't have service, which one?

 

[cityslick]

That makes sense, but how would they even know about the attempt if it was on somebody elses wifi access point? :waitasec:

It's possible they would be able to tell if the cell registered some sort of signal that the browser was being access. As a matter of fact it's just came to light recently that the smartphones these days track all sorts of activity so I wouldn't be surprised if the cell record can tell that the browser was accessed, just not the content as that content is not being accessed over Verizon's 'air'.

You're right, if the perp was within range of a router, the phone would pick it up. The way they would find out which router would be to find out which website was visited and have them check ip's for that time. Do we know the exact type of phones DB had? I don't think her phone was totally broken, I think just the speakers, so, if the service hadn't been transferred yet, she'd likely still be able to use her own phone. The thing to find out is, which phone had service before it was cut off, because if grandma's was an "old" phone, it most likely didn't have service when it was given to her by DN. One didn't have service, which one?

I don't think we know what kind of phones DB had or what capability they had. I also think she would still be able to use the phone for internet stuff even if she had no 'service' on it so in theory should could had transferred service and still used the smartphone for internet.

 

[hambirg]

It's possible they would be able to tell if the cell registered some sort of signal that the browser was being access. As a matter of fact it's just came to light recently that the smartphones these days track all sorts of activity so I wouldn't be surprised if the cell record can tell that the browser was accessed, just not the content as that content is not being accessed over Verizon's 'air'.



I don't think we know what kind of phones DB had or what capability they had. I also think she would still be able to use the phone for internet stuff even if she had no 'service' on it so in theory should could had transferred service and still used the smartphone for internet.

Ok, thanks that makes sense.

What bothers me the most about this whole phone business is that we wouldn't be able to know what texts said, if any were sent. Is that right? To me. . MOO and all that. . .that might be a motivation for getting rid of the phones.

 

[Donjeta]

Exactly - and I'm wondering how the perp would manage a wifi connection in the middle of the wooded area everyone is saying the phone was pinged. Or, should we add getting on the Internet inside the house to all the things the perp was doing before exiting the home with Lisa?

Do we know that the perp was in a wooded area all the time?
I mean, we're all picturing a jerseylike figure in white lurking in the shadows but there are several houses within the 1/3-1/5 mile radius. There might be some with a wireless internet connection.

 

[Sparklin]

But if you had service for a Smart phone, you would have a data plan. That plan would transfer with the service when DB transferred her service to the plain jane phone. She would still have a data plan. I have never had a Smart phone, but my service plans have always included a bit of data usage.

I agree that it makes more sense to use the browser on the Smart phone. My plane jane phones were a bear to try and browse on, but they were actually not bad for checking e-mail or IMing. I think because the browsing was attempted, it implies the plain jane phone. If it was the Smart phone, I think it would be more than just an attempt. I think they would be able to tell where they browsed with the Smart phone. . .what sights they went on, etc. However, it could have been attempted on the Smart phone, but that phone didn't have service. . .so just an attempt. I'm not sure if they could have a record of that though if the Smart phone didn't have service.

Of course, all MOO.

hmmm...that's another thing I find odd about the cells. If it had restricted access, it would HAVE to have wifi in order to access the net right? I am going to double check for a link, but on Fox with MK, she had asked if the log in to net was successful and one of them said 'I believe so'...LE would then know what site accessed. You would think that would give them a fair idea of who...

 

[hambirg]

hmmm...that's another thing I find odd about the cells. If it had restricted access, it would HAVE to have wifi in order to access the net right? I am going to double check for a link, but on Fox with MK, she had asked if the log in to net was successful and one of them said 'I believe so'...LE would then know what site accessed. You would think that would give them a fair idea of who...

Yeah, you might be right. I have no idea. All this techie stuff is interesting though. If what you are saying is true, would they have to get that info from whoevers ISP was being accessed? :waitasec:

 

[3doglady]

hmmm...that's another thing I find odd about the cells. If it had restricted access, it would HAVE to have wifi in order to access the net right? I am going to double check for a link, but on Fox with MK, she had asked if the log in to net was successful and one of them said 'I believe so'...LE would then know what site accessed. You would think that would give them a fair idea of who...

A smartphone could access the internet through any of the neighbors unsecured wifi so I'm not sure what that would tell LE other than the phone was close to that neighbor's house.

 

[Elley Mae]

attempts to access VM and the internet

I know that after the casey anthony case I for one was in-lightened about cell phones and pings and how they can hold lots of info


I wonder if the 3:17 attempt to check VM was Deborah checking to see if jeremy called while she was out.

I do think that she got home just in time to throw herself in bed and pretend to be asleep. jmo

I think she was covering her bases with the phone and computer and when jeremy got home at 3:45 everything happened so fast he didn't realize she had not been sleeping.

 

[Allusonz]

Do we know that the perp was in a wooded area all the time?
I mean, we're all picturing a jerseylike figure in white lurking in the shadows but there are several houses within the 1/3-1/5 mile radius. There might be some with a wireless internet connection.

As I sit right at my computer I pick up 9 wi fi connections with my phone.

Out of those 9 four of them are not locked (password protected through the router/modem)

That means I could connect through any one of these 4 and I would have no idea where the unsecured routers/modems are.

Why would someone have to be sitting in the woods waiting when there are known individuals that made a habit of sleeping in homes that were vacant etc.