Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[prayers4missing]

Question - if I dial someone's phone that is restricted, what message will I get? or will it just ring and ring?

Sometimes with a restriction you can still receive incoming calls and texts, but not dial or text out. If the phone is disconnected then they will receive the recording stating the phone is out of service.

Also someone asked if you could still get on the internet without service, YES as long as you are in a wifi area. All of this is MOO and from experience.

 

[hambirg]

He dropped her off around 5, not 5:30. He never has publicly said such a thing. That came from a discredited news article from Springfield, MO that I wish WSers would realize has been debunked. It's my pet peeve about this case

Sorry I must have missed that. I thought the misquote was only about him sleeping there. I was under the impression that he said that he knew she was drunk that night.

 

[artzypantz]

I believe Picerno said the phone became restricted some time on October 3. JI tried to call DB and found out the phone was restricted.

i guess i should have been more clear in my question....i do know that the phones were restricted, what is unclear to me is if there was any other attempts at usage on the phone(s) after the 911 call was made....my question is if someone has stated that no other attempts at phone usage have been made after the 911 call was made....sorry i wasnt more clear in my other post....and thanks for answering me :seeya:

 

[DeAnn]

i guess i should have been more clear in my question....i do know that the phones were restricted, what is unclear to me is if there was any other attempts at usage on the phone(s) after the 911 call was made....my question is if someone has stated that no other attempts at phone usage have been made after the 911 call was made....sorry i wasnt more clear in my other post....and thanks for answering me :seeya:

All reports have been that Jeremy called 911 from his work phone.

 

[artzypantz]

UFED, a device developed in Israel in 2007-2008, is widely in use in the US and will extract all data from a cellphone instantly. http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/forensic-products/ufed-ultimate.html
Anyone listen to the argument in the Supreme Court about the placement of GPS tracking devices on cars by police? Fascinating. You can listen to the argument on www.ussupremecourt.gov.

I heard about 5 years ago that automakers were planning to equip new cars with Black Boxes which record various things such as seatbelt usage, speed & shifting (in manual transmissions), braking, and gps device, also the capability for police to shut the vehicle off while being driven, also the capability for police to cause your vehicle to vibrate and make a noise that causes you to stop your vehicle. So far Black Boxes which record various things such as seatbelt usage, speed & shifting (in manual transmissions), braking, and a gps device, and the capability for automaker companies to Unlock, start and shut off the auto or communicate with you in an emergency (On Star) are the only things i know have been added to some vehicles, also auto dealers can disable your vehicle so it cannot start in the event of late or over due payments thru the auto's computer system using a code. My sister had over due payments and this happened to her, and her husband went in and made the payments and the dealer gave my sister a code to punch into the car to allow it to start.

Its very interesting and thanks for the links you've provided i will be sure to check them out, didnt know about the cell phone extracting device but sure doesnt surprise me :seeya:

 

[artzypantz]

All reports have been that Jeremy called 911 from his work phone.

yes i do know that jeremy made the 911 call on his work cell....i dont know how to get this to come out clear as to what my questionis lol.....i just want to know if there is a known statement from anyone (media/lawyers/LE/FBI/etc) that the phone records show there has been NO usage or NO attempted usage on any of the 3 missing phones since jeremy made the 911 call....thats what im looking for lol sorry if i cant seem to make my posts clear enought to understand...and thank you for trying to answer my question :seeya:

 

[DeAnn]

yes i do know that jeremy made the 911 call on his work cell....i dont know how to get this to come out clear as to what my questionis lol.....i just want to know if there is a known statement from anyone (media/lawyers/LE/FBI/etc) that the phone records show there has been NO usage or NO attempted usage on any of the 3 missing phones since jeremy made the 911 call....thats what im looking for lol sorry if i cant seem to make my posts clear enought to understand...and thank you for trying to answer my question :seeya:

I think I understand your question now. The search warrant application in mid-October said the phones had not been found. If the phones had been used since 4 a.m. Oct. 4, then you would think police would have been able to use that information to find the phones. I can't say definitively but based on the facts as we know them from KCPD and the attorneys for Lisa's parents...the phones have not been used.

 

[justamommy]

I totally agree. Which is why I am beginning to think that two separate scenarios were played out, simultaneously. I think that someone took the phones perhaps, but it was not the same person who was responsible for the child going missing.

I have been on the fence about DB's guilt or innocence, but if the neighbor is going to say she did not see Baby Lisa after 4;30, then I am very suspicious of the parents. And if something happened and they disposed of her early on, they might have lured someone like Jersey into the home, wanting him to steal something,so they could point their fingers his way. imoo

I have thought about this too. I can't wrap my head around this though. Here's the scenario (in my head) if something was done after SB saw baby @4:30 if she did in fact see Lisa. 4:30 SB sees Lisa (alive)..DB goes to store w/ PN, JI and SB are at house w/ kids. Can't remember what time DB comes home from store, but DB comes home, has dinner w/ kids, neighbors.. JI goes to work. 6:40 SB goes to buy her booze and comes back to house. Then women proceed to drink on porch and chat w/ SBeagley @7-7:30 (I think). This would give DB between the time SB goes to store (6:40) and comes back to have killed/discovered Lisa already dead and 7:30 (DB, SB and SB on the porch). At this point assuming DB had not already started drinking she would have either had to maliciously killed baby (can't see that knowing company was coming back and 3 other young kids in the house) or discovered Lisa dead from overdose or other accident occurred. I would think she would call 911 at that point. She would have been covered, because SB and JI had seen alive baby; she had not been drinking; kids were w/ her.

More to that... If discovered or killed baby between 6:30 and 7:30, she would have to drink and chat knowing she had Lisa in there waiting to be disposed of. Any of the players at the house could have discovered the baby if this is the case. I would think that she would be in a panic afraid that kids or SB would notice that Lisa wasn't around or dead by her hand. How could someone in that position comfortably sit on the porch drinking chatting up the neighbors? I would think she would be trying to get rid of all players in this story so that she could figure out how to get rid of Lisa before JI gets home from work. Instead she drinks, chats, goes to bed business as usual. I just can't make that scenario work. I don't think there is enough time and too many people around to get rid of Lisa between 4:30 and 10:30, unless all these people helped. Who knows?

Of course, there is the other scenario in which DB kills and gets rid of Lisa between 10:30 (SB leaves) and 3:30 (JI comes home). That also opens up the possibilities for several other players to be involved and a drunk DB. I just don't know what happened, which is what keeps me on the fence.

I apologize for run on sentences and confusion in advance. It is difficult to get thoughts about scenarios down for me. Please feel free to ask for clarification if needed or add things I may have missed. JMO :twocents: :fence:

 

[artzypantz]

I think I understand your question now. The search warrant application in mid-October said the phones had not been found. If the phones had been used since 4 a.m. Oct. 4, then you would think police would have been able to use that information to find the phones. I can't say definitively but based on the facts as we know them from KCPD and the attorneys for Lisa's parents...the phones have not been used.

Thats what i was looking for .... i was wondering if they had been used or attempted usage say as example at 5, 6, 7, or 8 am on Oct 4th. Even if theyer had been an attempted usage on any of the 3 missing phones after 4 am on Oct 4th as in my example above, MOO i dont believe that the police would have absolutely been able to find the phones....E. G. batteries taken out, dumped in river, or the same confusing situation with the attempted phone usage that exists as fact right now would keep them from finding the phones. But YES that is what i was looking for hurray! you have answered my question! THANK YOU :seeya:

 

[Oriah]

I heard about 5 years ago that automakers were planning to equip new cars with Black Boxes which record various things such as seatbelt usage, speed & shifting (in manual transmissions), braking, and gps device, also the capability for police to shut the vehicle off while being driven, also the capability for police to cause your vehicle to vibrate and make a noise that causes you to stop your vehicle. So far Black Boxes which record various things such as seatbelt usage, speed & shifting (in manual transmissions), braking, and a gps device, and the capability for automaker companies to Unlock, start and shut off the auto or communicate with you in an emergency (On Star) are the only things i know have been added to some vehicles, also auto dealers can disable your vehicle so it cannot start in the event of late or over due payments thru the auto's computer system using a code. My sister had over due payments and this happened to her, and her husband went in and made the payments and the dealer gave my sister a code to punch into the car to allow it to start.

Its very interesting and thanks for the links you've provided i will be sure to check them out, didnt know about the cell phone extracting device but sure doesnt surprise me :seeya:

EDR's are on every GM and most Ford manufactured vehicles past 2004, I believe. A few other vehicle manufacturers as well. And then the ones that people purchase post manufacture.
They also ping.
Good times, huh?!

 

[Sparklin]

Why would JI come home to find his baby missing, then quickly haide the phones and call 911 so quickly? If he thought DB did it, and took the step of hiding the phones, why not wait till morning to call? He could have very easily said he came home exhausted and went straight to bed and didn't check on the kids and didnt notice she was missing till the morning? It doesn't make sense to me to arrive home and find his daughter missing, get a confession out of DB, come up with the idea to hide the phones, and call 911 so quickly. I can't believe that JI had anything to do with a cover up at least not that morning. JMO

Also, why would DB attempt to make a call to MWs phone-a number she has never called before rather than any others? No brother? No boyfriend? No parent? No close friend? Why would she call THAT particular number in THAT particular situation? Especially if she knew the phones were turned off? And why would she even try that phone when she had one that supposedly worked? Apparently there is no further phone activity that evening as if there were I think we would know about it if a flurry of calls were made by any one of the phones. JMO

bbm
Thank you! This is what I have a problem with. I can't see, if D/J were involved, why they would call 911 so soon after J got home. Take a couple of hours to calm down, think things through, talk it over...just doesn't make sense, but neither does a lot of things in this case.

 

[justamommy]

I don't think homeless or destitute people steal phones or babies.
Why steal 3 phones when his friends were right down the street a ways and some of them had phones?

I don't know anybody who buys phones from homeless people. Wouldn't do any good since phone service is checked and stolen phones are reported. The phones monetarily wise are worthless. moo

Phones could be sold cheaply for a quick high if drugs are involved. jmo

 

[justamommy]

I don't believe for one minute DB was drunk....drinking yes but not drunk. That was a convenient excuse after LE released that video of her and her brother at the store buying the wine. Also, if she was so drunk she was at the blacking out point, I think LE would have noticed. I know she said she stopped at 10:30 pm and went to bed BUT....from my own experience in my younger days when the hang arounds weren't so bad that on some occasions when I drank entirely too much but had plenty of sleep....I could still be drunk the next morning. I just really don't believe her being that drunk because she sure got sober fast, too fast imo!!

Sobering could have occurred as adrenaline kicked in too. jmo

ETA Don't know what happened to quoting. This is in response to Shaye's post #326.

ETA... Well, quoting problem fixed.

 

[artzypantz]

EDR's are on every GM and most Ford manufactured vehicles past 2004, I believe. A few other vehicle manufacturers as well. And then the ones that people purchase post manufacture.
They also ping.
Good times, huh?!

Great times yea! That includes my vehicle then. I didnt know post manufactured one's ping also...thanks i learned something new already today!

Yea and you would think there would be less crime involving autos, but then again crimminals always seem to find a way around the advances of technology protections, maybe just steal the car and take the device off and dump it lol......but i know these devices arent just for protection of the auto owner thats for sure and a whole nother story....

sigh...the good & the bad...its a messy mix

 

[justamommy]

A link to all above seize cell phone pings and record data. tia

Nobody can walk into Verizon or Sprint and get cell phone records and that's a fact. I cannot retrieve or request my own family members records if the family members are over 18.

It doesn't matter if LE seized the cell records or not because that is LE's right.

You cannot give people permission to see your phone records and retrieve them from your cell carrier.

You can get a copy and give that copy to someone but they can't waltz into cell phone companies and get one.

Giving misinformation is what's wrong with much of this case. moo

My daughter has been employed with Sprint for years. I asked her about all this stuff earlier tonight.

This was discussed earlier. I can't remember which thread, but a link was provided concerning how you as customer can write in to retrieve detail records. I'm sorry I can't remember which thread, it may be earlier in this one. It could be plausible that DB/JI got the records for their attys. jmo

 

[Oriah]

Great times yea! That includes my vehicle then. I didnt know post manufactured one's ping also...thanks i learned something new already today!

Yea and you would think there would be less crime involving autos, but then again crimminals always seem to find a way around the advances of technology protections, maybe just steal the car and take the device off and dump it lol......but i know these devices arent just for protection of the auto owner thats for sure and a whole nother story....

sigh...the good & the bad...its a messy mix

If that ain't the truth....

And yep (although this is not funny at all, imo) if you want to rip apart your dashboard and/or hood, engine, and truck you could maybe have some luck there, lol.

Installed after purchase? Check the fuse compartment. And right side passenger (but left side of) footwell compartment.

 

[Sparklin]

Picerno said Friday that when he got involved in the case that he spent three hours with an FBI agent. Since the attorney could get a court order to see the records, why wouldn't the FBI show them to him? Bill Stanton said he has seen the records but NOT reviewed them "extensively."

bbm = He did say that his 'sources' had gone through them methodically in order to ensure that MW's # had never been called/received on either J/D's phones.

 

[deoneta]

I have thought about this too. I can't wrap my head around this though. Here's the scenario (in my head) if something was done after SB saw baby @4:30 if she did in fact see Lisa. 4:30 SB sees Lisa (alive)..DB goes to store w/ PN, JI and SB are at house w/ kids. Can't remember what time DB comes home from store, but DB comes home, has dinner w/ kids, neighbors.. JI goes to work. 6:40 SB goes to buy her booze and comes back to house. Then women proceed to drink on porch and chat w/ SBeagley @7-7:30 (I think). This would give DB between the time SB goes to store (6:40) and comes back to have killed/discovered Lisa already dead and 7:30 (DB, SB and SB on the porch). At this point assuming DB had not already started drinking she would have either had to maliciously killed baby (can't see that knowing company was coming back and 3 other young kids in the house) or discovered Lisa dead from overdose or other accident occurred. I would think she would call 911 at that point. She would have been covered, because SB and JI had seen alive baby; she had not been drinking; kids were w/ her.

More to that... If discovered or killed baby between 6:30 and 7:30, she would have to drink and chat knowing she had Lisa in there waiting to be disposed of. Any of the players at the house could have discovered the baby if this is the case. I would think that she would be in a panic afraid that kids or SB would notice that Lisa wasn't around or dead by her hand. How could someone in that position comfortably sit on the porch drinking chatting up the neighbors? I would think she would be trying to get rid of all players in this story so that she could figure out how to get rid of Lisa before JI gets home from work. Instead she drinks, chats, goes to bed business as usual. I just can't make that scenario work. I don't think there is enough time and too many people around to get rid of Lisa between 4:30 and 10:30, unless all these people helped. Who knows?

Of course, there is the other scenario in which DB kills and gets rid of Lisa between 10:30 (SB leaves) and 3:30 (JI comes home). That also opens up the possibilities for several other players to be involved and a drunk DB. I just don't know what happened, which is what keeps me on the fence.

I apologize for run on sentences and confusion in advance. It is difficult to get thoughts about scenarios down for me. Please feel free to ask for clarification if needed or add things I may have missed. JMO :twocents: :fence:

I believe that according to Jim Spellman that male neighbor SB was there from 7:30 to 9:00 although that really doesn't make a difference in what you are saying about how DB would have to have been one cool cucumber to carry on socializing with her neighbors while she knew she had a crime to cover up. I believe that if DB harmed or discovered her child dead, it would have to have been 10:30 or later. I also agree that given that time frame, it wouldn't rule out an individual or individuals known or unknown as either perpetrators or accomplices. I don't know what more DB could have to hide since she has already admitted to being possibly black out drunk that evening. Perhaps she was guilty of other irresponsible behavior that she knows would put her in an even more suspicious light, and while not responsible for the demise of her child, that is her reason for refusing further interviews and her vague recollections of the evening. I know early on, she said she spent time on the computer. Wouldn't that, if true, also have to have been after 10:30? Any theory of the crime that I can come up with has so many elements that seem unlikely- why would an otherwise loving parent not call 911 in case or accident or injury, why would a burglar take a baby, cellphones and stick around so close to the scene of the crime?- but that is the problem with trying to make sense of a crime that can't make sense to rational people.

 

[Oriah]

This was discussed earlier. I can't remember which thread, but a link was provided concerning how you as customer can write in to retrieve detail records. I'm sorry I can't remember which thread, it may be earlier in this one. It could be plausible that DB/JI got the records for their attys. jmo

In my experience, if you are the primary account holder you can walk into a service center (or cell phone provider/store) show proof of account status, as well as ID, and access your records. Or have them sent somewhere else to be copied.
Experience from Verizon, ATT and T-mobile. :waitasec:

 

[winterrose]

BS said according to his resources,whatever that might be,MW's number was not called on that phone as far back as a year.However,we don't know which phone this is,and if her number is on any of their other phones,at this point.One of DB's stories was she was programming phones that night,but now she was on the stoop and drank till she blacked out.So if someone first busted the screen of a window,then went in the door,turned all the lights on,took the phones and Lisa,called MW's phone at 11:57,they would have had 27 minutes to do so.SB saw the lights were off at 11:30,while her and SB were out in the yard.