Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[cityslick]

So three phones were stolen, two had service and Db's didn't, and the phone the "abductors" tried to use three times. Plus surf the internet, was the one phone with no service?

I don't know if you can say which phone was actually used at this point in time.

 

[cityslick]

With all due respect to other posters, KCPD *did* inform the public the last time that Lisa was seen. The Amber Alert included that information. They quoted the mom as saying she was last seen about 10:30, 10:40 p.m. Steve Young repeatedly said that in his initial news conferences.

And then Mom began to publicly change her story and the timing. That obviously cast even more suspicions on her actions.

A neighbor has recently come forward and said he hung out with SB and DB for roughly 90 minutes and didn't see any sound or anything related to Lisa including hearing her via a baby monitor (meaning DB didn't have one on her).

Based on this changing timeline and that KCPD no longer considers this a missing persons case, why would they make something public (last time that she was seen) that could hinder their investigation? Other than satisfying armchair sleuths, what does KCPD or FBI gain by releasing that information? And if this is ever brought to trial, ensuring the defendant gets a fair trial is also important. Would I love to know? Sure. But I don't expect KCPD to tell us. And we know that DB's attorneys and herself are now saying the last time she saw Lisa was 6:40 p.m. or so.

Other than SB and her daughter, I don't know what witnesses are being quiet at this point.

BBM

They actually said this? I don't remember it.

 

[katydid23]

I wasn't trying to be, but I guess my point is you can't have it both ways. Be upset with the parents because they won't let the boys be interviewed but yet trust nothing that the boys say in the interviews as accurate because they are being coached.

They very well might be coached, but the person doing the interviews knows how to tell if they are lying or not.

I don't think anyone said to 'trust nothing' the boys say now. I did say tyhat I do not know if they can be credible sources for the last time Lisa was seen alive and well. And I say that because kids that age can be manipulated. I have seen it happen firsthand.

And we can hope that the interviewer can tell if a child is being coached. Most likely they can, but who knows for sure?

 

[DeAnn]

BBM

They actually said this? I don't remember it.

I thought I read that in an article linked here this weekend. Of course, I also put a lot of stock in that X being checked in the search warrant application seeking a deceased corpse or fetus and the cadaver dog hitting.

 

[Kamille]

So three phones were stolen, two had service and Db's didn't, and the phone the "abductors" tried to use three times, plus surf the internet, was the one phone with no service?

There were two phones connected to her service provider however they were restricted due to non payment. We do not know, however, if she switched out her phone for the borrowed grandfather's phone prior to that evening. That switch would be transparent and her grandfather's phone would then be classified as her phone because it was using her phone number. Because of the internet attempts, I have been surmising that the switch had not yet taken place because she appears to have had a smart phone and the grandfathers phone was a "plain jane" phone and may not have had internet capabilities.

None of the phones had actual outgoing or incoming service due to the restriction.

MOO

 

[Jaxson]

With all due respect to other posters, KCPD *did* inform the public the last time that Lisa was seen. The Amber Alert included that information. They quoted the mom as saying she was last seen about 10:30, 10:40 p.m. Steve Young repeatedly said that in his initial news conferences.

And then Mom began to publicly change her story and the timing. That obviously cast even more suspicions on her actions.

A neighbor has recently come forward and said he hung out with SB and DB for roughly 90 minutes and didn't see any sound or anything related to Lisa including hearing her via a baby monitor (meaning DB didn't have one on her).

Based on this changing timeline and that KCPD no longer considers this a missing persons case, why would they make something public (last time that she was seen) that could hinder their investigation? Other than satisfying armchair sleuths, what does KCPD or FBI gain by releasing that information? And if this is ever brought to trial, ensuring the defendant gets a fair trial is also important. Would I love to know? Sure. But I don't expect KCPD to tell us. And we know that DB's attorneys and herself are now saying the last time she saw Lisa was 6:40 p.m. or so.

Other than SB and her daughter, I don't know what witnesses are being quiet at this point.

Wow, I didn't know they said it was no longer a missing persons case. What kind of case are they calling it? Abduction?, kidnapping? Crap I am really confused now.
By the way thanks for clarifying the store video time. I remembered it as just after 5o rather than just before.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

With all due respect to other posters, KCPD *did* inform the public the last time that Lisa was seen. The Amber Alert included that information. They quoted the mom as saying she was last seen about 10:30, 10:40 p.m. Steve Young repeatedly said that in his initial news conferences.

And then Mom began to publicly change her story and the timing. That obviously cast even more suspicions on her actions.

A neighbor has recently come forward and said he hung out with SB and DB for roughly 90 minutes and didn't see any sound or anything related to Lisa including hearing her via a baby monitor (meaning DB didn't have one on her).

Based on this changing timeline and that KCPD no longer considers this a missing persons case, why would they make something public (last time that she was seen) that could hinder their investigation? Other than satisfying armchair sleuths, what does KCPD or FBI gain by releasing that information? And if this is ever brought to trial, ensuring the defendant gets a fair trial is also important. Would I love to know? Sure. But I don't expect KCPD to tell us. And we know that DB's attorneys and herself are now saying the last time she saw Lisa was 6:40 p.m. or so.

Other than SB and her daughter, I don't know what witnesses are being quiet at this point.

Since when has KCPD stated that this is no longer a missing person case?
Most LE inform the public on the last time and place the person missing was last seen. It is not the responsibility of KCPD and the FBI to ensure the defendant gets a fair trial. I take great offense at the remark about "armchair sleuths".

 

[In da Middle]

I don't think anyone said to 'trust nothing' the boys say now. I did say tyhat I do not know if they can be credible sources for the last time Lisa was seen alive and well. And I say that because kids that age can be manipulated. I have seen it happen firsthand.

And we can hope that the interviewer can tell if a child is being coached. Most likely they can, but who knows for sure?

But they were interviewed also within hours of the event. They have a baseline from that. I am sure that a skilled interviewer is trained to be able to identify this. They had to schedule her for a reason - IMO it's because she is GOOD.

 

[katydid23]

I have the People magazine article in front of me. Can someone point me to where Samantha Brando is quoted in the article because I just cannot find it.

PN and DB leave the Festival Foods at 4:52 p.m. Oct. 3 based on the surveillance video.

The People magazine article says, "Bradley cooked a chicken dinner for herself, the boy, a neighbor and the neighbor's four-year-old daughter."

I would not expect her to cook a chicken dinner for her 10-month-old baby right? Lisa would eat something else right? So then there would be no reason for the writer to mention Lisa in that sentence because the dinner was not cooked for her. Based on my experience, WSers are spending far more time analyzing what the author wrote and didn't write in that sentence than the author did in composing the sentence. We also don't know what an editor may have cut out.

The People magazine article says DB "put down" Lisa around 6:40 p.m. That certainly implies she was "up" to be put down.

SB is quoted in the timeline as saying she last saw the baby at 4:30 when she checked on her while mom was at the store. It is in the words of a 'source' who actually gave the quote.

As for dinner, why would they say that SB last saw the baby at 4:30 if she had dinner with them together at 5:30? That makes no sense at all. That leads me to believe that the baby was still in her crib at 5:30. In the timeline they have SB leaving to goi buy her own liquor at 6 pm. So perhaps that is when the baby was picked up from her crib, changed and then put back to sleep w/her bottle for the night at 6:40.

 

[natsound]

What phone had service?

Read what I quoted, all the way through.

 

[Jaxson]

There were two phones connected to her service provider however they were restricted due to non payment. We do not know, however, if she switched out her phone for the borrowed grandfather's phone prior to that evening. That switch would be transparent and her grandfather's phone would then be classified as her phone because it was using her phone number. Because of the internet attempts, I have been surmising that the switch had not yet taken place because she appears to have had a smart phone and the grandfathers phone was a "plain jane" phone and may not have had internet capabilities.

None of the phones had actual outgoing or incoming service due to the restriction.

MOO

I reality we don't know if they both had internet capable phones. If they did she may have made JI's phone hers (so she would have web )and the borrowed phone JI's (hence programming all the phones)

Sorry guys, just trying to make it more confusing...lol...not really.

 

[Kamille]

With all due respect to other posters, KCPD *did* inform the public the last time that Lisa was seen. The Amber Alert included that information. They quoted the mom as saying she was last seen about 10:30, 10:40 p.m. Steve Young repeatedly said that in his initial news conferences.

And then Mom began to publicly change her story and the timing. That obviously cast even more suspicions on her actions.

A neighbor has recently come forward and said he hung out with SB and DB for roughly 90 minutes and didn't see any sound or anything related to Lisa including hearing her via a baby monitor (meaning DB didn't have one on her).

Based on this changing timeline and that KCPD no longer considers this a missing persons case, why would they make something public (last time that she was seen) that could hinder their investigation? Other than satisfying armchair sleuths, what does KCPD or FBI gain by releasing that information? And if this is ever brought to trial, ensuring the defendant gets a fair trial is also important. Would I love to know? Sure. But I don't expect KCPD to tell us. And we know that DB's attorneys and herself are now saying the last time she saw Lisa was 6:40 p.m. or so.

Other than SB and her daughter, I don't know what witnesses are being quiet at this point.

Just wanted to point out that the neighbour was with DB and SB on the porch for a half hour and with SB alone in front of her residence for an hour after DB went inside.

During that half hour he did indicate that he was unaware that there was a baby in the house and that DB did not go in to check on her. The time on that I believe has been listed as 8:30-9pm.

MOO

 

[DeAnn]

BBM

They actually said this? I don't remember it.

My apologies. The claim that it was no longer a missing persons case was in an Examiner.com article published this weekend NOT by a writer approved by WS. I didn't realize it was by a different author. That part of the story links to a Fox News article that DOES not say what the Examiner.com article claims.

 

[Jaxson]

Read what I quoted, all the way through.

NONE of the phones had service. They were all restricted. One of the phones was broken and restricted.

 

[Kamille]

SB is quoted in the timeline as saying she last saw the baby at 4:30 when she checked on her while mom was at the store. It is in the words of a 'source' who actually gave the quote.

As for dinner, why would they say that SB last saw the baby at 4:30 if she had dinner with them together at 5:30? That makes no sense at all. That leads me to believe that the baby was still in her crib at 5:30. In the timeline they have SB leaving to goi buy her own liquor at 6 pm. So perhaps that is when the baby was picked up from her crib, changed and then put back to sleep w/her bottle for the night at 6:40.

Until I see SB in the media actually stating that was the last time she saw her, or I hear LE say that was the last time anyone other than DB or JI saw her, I will take that 4:30 siting from a "source" with a grain of salt.

 

[Jaxson]

My apologies. The claim that it was no longer a missing persons case was in an Examiner.com article published this weekend NOT by a writer approved by WS. I didn't realize it was by a different author. That part of the story links to a Fox News article that DOES not say what the Examiner.com article claims.

Wow, the media is so messed up in this case. Could it get more confusing?

 

[DeAnn]

Just wanted to point out that the neighbour was with DB and SB on the porch for a half hour and with SB alone in front of her residence for an hour after DB went inside.

During that half hour he did indicate that he was unaware that there was a baby in the house and that DB did not go in to check on her. The time on that I believe has been listed as 8:30-9pm.

MOO

Just did google search and everything I find indicates he arrived around 7 p.m. and left between 8:30 and 9 p.m. He then was with SB from roughly 10:30 to 11:30.

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[DeAnn]

Wow, the media is so messed up in this case. Could it get more confusing?

I don't consider Examiner.com "media"

 

[Jaxson]

Just wanted to point out that the neighbour was with DB and SB on the porch for a half hour and with SB alone in front of her residence for an hour after DB went inside.

During that half hour he did indicate that he was unaware that there was a baby in the house and that DB did not go in to check on her. The time on that I believe has been listed as 8:30-9pm.

MOO

I had read that Shane was there from 7:30 to 9:00 and then was talking to Samantha from 10:30 to 11:00 :waitasec: Off to find a link...

 

[Jaxson]

Just did google search and everything I find indicates he arrived around 7 p.m. and left between 8:30 and 9 p.m. He then was with SB from roughly 10:30 to 11:30.

Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thank you for saving me that time. It takes everything I've got to stay halfway informed. Imagine how far behind I would be if I had to search that out.