Cesar Laurean's Trial

[snowshuze]

Stipulation based on DNA defendant can be excluded as BIO father of child. Allowed read to jury.

 

[panthera]

Attorneys stipulate that based on DNA testing Cesar can be excluded as the father of Maria's unborn child.

In recess until 2:00pm.

 

[snowshuze]

Court dismiss til 2. Defense will call witnesses today..

 

[Marine wife]

IMO, the testimony about SUBSTANTIAL force knocks back the theory that Christina may have done the deed.

It doesnt rule her out, you got to remind yourself that she is a marine too and was taught the same techniques cesar learned...If angry enough adrenaline will cause you to use more strength then you normally would.

 

[snowshuze]

I'm worried, yall. I think prosecution left the door wide open for reasonable doubt.

 

[panthera]

It doesnt rule her out, you got to remind yourself that she is a marine too and was taught the same techniques cesar learned...If angry enough adrenaline will cause you to use more strength then you normally would.

Welcome! Another thought would be the crow bar itself and why he would use it instead of strangling her with his bare hands, or something more personal since he was already in close contact with Maria. MOO

 

[panthera]

I'm worried, yall. I think prosecution left the door wide open for reasonable doubt.

I definitely agree. MOO

 

[Marine wife]

I'm worried, yall. I think prosecution left the door wide open for reasonable doubt.

I dont believe there is anything to worry about. It kind of hard to knock the evidence of him getting the stuff at lowes (spelling) giving the crowbar to his friend and the fact that she was buried and burned in his backyard. The blood evidence in the garage is pretty concreate as well, and there is the fact that he fled to mexico before she was discovered. The only reasonable doubt that could come from this is the fact that the defence is trying to pin it on someone else "in the house" committing the crime. IF that is the case though why isnt Christina on trial too? Did she make some kind of deal?

 

[STEADFAST]

Yeah, but it seems they are not really sure what happened in that case either.

I'm saying it's possible that the injury to the base of her skull was caused by a separate blow than the fatal blow.

 

[panthera]

I dont believe there is anything to worry about. It kind of hard to knock the evidence of him getting the stuff at lowes (spelling) giving the crowbar to his friend and the fact that she was buried and burned in his backyard. The blood evidence in the garage is pretty concreate as well, and there is the fact that he fled to mexico before she was discovered. The only reasonable doubt that could come from this is the fact that the defence is trying to pin it on someone else "in the house" committing the crime. IF that is the case though why isnt Christina on trial too? Did she make some kind of deal?

There is no question Cesar tried to cover up Maria's murder. However, there were two people living in the house each with a possible motive to want her out of the way. MOO

 

[Marine wife]

Welcome! Another thought would be the crow bar itself and why he would use it instead of strangling her with his bare hands, or something more personal since he was already in close contact with Maria. MOO

THank you The issue of the crowbar makes me believe that he didnt do it just by himself, I have always belived that Christina Laurean had something to do with this. Here is my theory, the crow bar was used because Christina killed her, as the testimony goes, she couldnt exactly be excluded on the handle of the crowbar, she used it because she isnt "as strong" as cesar so she grabbed something she know would harm Maria, and I think that cesar did the burying, Maria was already missing for 2 days when he went to lowes, so where was her body? that then leads to the presentation of blood evidence in Christina's SUV...they might have had Maria's body somewhere else and Christina's car was used to transport the body.
This is just my theory. But so far from the evidence it would make sence to me anyways.

 

[snowshuze]

I dont believe there is anything to worry about. It kind of hard to knock the evidence of him getting the stuff at lowes (spelling) giving the crowbar to his friend and the fact that she was buried and burned in his backyard. The blood evidence in the garage is pretty concreate as well, and there is the fact that he fled to mexico before she was discovered. The only reasonable doubt that could come from this is the fact that the defence is trying to pin it on someone else "in the house" committing the crime. IF that is the case though why isnt Christina on trial too? Did she make some kind of deal?

Hi, and welcome.

I think someone got bamboozled about "cooperation"
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/limit-81374-marine-attorney.html

The defendant’s wife, Camp Lejeune Marine Cpl. Christina Laurean, 27, has been called a cooperating witness by investigators and a co-conspirator by Lauterbach’s family in a 2009 wrongful death lawsuit.

 

[panthera]

THank you The issue of the crowbar makes me believe that he didnt do it just by himself, I have always belived that Christina Laurean had something to do with this. Here is my theory, the crow bar was used because Christina killed her, as the testimony goes, she couldnt exactly be excluded on the handle of the crowbar, she used it because she isnt "as strong" as cesar so she grabbed something she know would harm Maria, and I think that cesar did the burying, Maria was already missing for 2 days when he went to lowes, so where was her body? that then leads to the presentation of blood evidence in Christina's SUV...they might have had Maria's body somewhere else and Christina's car was used to transport the body.
This is just my theory. But so far from the evidence it would make sence to me anyways.

BBM

That's exactly what I was getting at. The use of the crowbar is impersonal, as in someone not being able to get close to the victim, or someone not having enough strength without the use of the weapon. It's something that one would pick up and use, for example, if one found an intruder in their home. MOO

 

[snowshuze]

Spousal Privilege:

The client, patient, speaking spouse, clergyperson and penitent may waive the privilege (that is, testify about the conversation) and also may prevent the other person from disclosing the information.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p084.htm

 

[Marine wife]

Hi, and welcome.

I think someone got bamboozled about "cooperation"
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/limit-81374-marine-attorney.html

The defendant’s wife, Camp Lejeune Marine Cpl. Christina Laurean, 27, has been called a cooperating witness by investigators and a co-conspirator by Lauterbach’s family in a 2009 wrongful death lawsuit.

Well im not all caught up on law, im a med student haha, but ya that all makes sence to why her lawyer was able to get her off of testifying. I still find it interesting that the defence keeps bringing her up.:waitasec:

 

[snowshuze]

Well im not all caught up on law, im a med student haha, but ya that all makes sence to why her lawyer was able to get her off of testifying. I still find it interesting that the defence keeps bringing her up.:waitasec:

She is the target of their defense, IMO. <reasonable doubt> She, IMO, is perfectly hunky dory with it. She won't testify against him, and if she is ever arrested, he won't testify against her.Her lawyer filed for spousal privilege last month. Just in time to yank a rug , or two, out from under the prosecution.

MOO and stuff.

 

[panthera]

Well im not all caught up on law, im a med student haha, but ya that all makes sence to why her lawyer was able to get her off of testifying. I still find it interesting that the defence keeps bringing her up.:waitasec:

The defense keeps bringing her up because she lived at the house with Cesar, was home the evening of Dec. 14, and therefore they infer could be the one who killed Maria. She is the "reasonable doubt".... MOO

 

[Topsail Girl]

Hey posters,

I'm slammed here at werk again today so thank you all so much for the updates. I did get to watch the ME testify and show the pics but I missed pretty much everything else.

I see why the defense keeps bringing Christina up - the shadow of doubt in one jurors mind is all it will take. No one can say under oath whether or not Christina was at home when the murder happened. So how do you think the jury is going to deal with that when verdict time comes??

 

[panthera]

Hey posters,

I'm slammed here at werk again today so thank you all so much for the updates. I did get to watch the ME testify and show the pics but I missed pretty much everything else.

I see why the defense keeps bringing Christina up - the shadow of doubt in one jurors mind is all it will take. No one can say under oath whether or not Christina was at home when the murder happened. So how do you think the jury is going to deal with that when verdict time comes??

Hi there! The defense is going to start their case this afternoon! I'm so curious who is on their witness list.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am so hoping for LWOP, but can also see how the jury could find reasonable doubt. We will see how it goes, but Cesar fled which indicates guilt, there is the Lowe's video showing he did buy the fire pit supplies; Maria and Baby Gabriel was burned in that fire pit in his back yard, and Cesar did give the crow bar away. There is evidence that can go both ways, IMO.

I am also curious as to who the defense witnesses are!