Found Deceased Chile - Tom Marsh 60, Uk National, University Professor missing from a research trip, 16 September 2022

[5W's]

MOO but I think the way it's translated into English makes it seem like a strange situation, when it seems more likely that his colleague was confirming that Tom's been there before and that it was normal that he was there again. The Spanish phrase, "de/en forma continua" is translated by Google Translate here as "continuously," when it makes more sense to translate the overall meaning of the phrase, which is more like "on an ongoing or recurring basis." It's kind of like an idiom or figurative phrase, where the meaning is more than the simple sum of the words in the phrase.

"Tom had to go to La Silla many times, continuously" vs. "Tom had to go to La Silla many times, on an ongoing basis." Which makes more sense in context? It's just clunky, AI translation here.

The article in question

(snipped by me, bolded original to the article) Lo anterior fue ratificado por la astrónoma Odette Toloza, amiga y colega de Marsh, quien en conversación con el programa Mucho Gusto de Mega relató que “Tom debía ir muchas veces a la Silla, en forma continua”.

(I really do apologize if I come across as completely pedantic with regards to this kind of thing, but...it's important)

Yes continuously that's where that inference happened for me. Thanks. I realize Chair is La Silla in Spanish what about Chair of the observatory or some head of a department in La Silla? I just connected that with Tom being upset, but I see your point.

 

[5W's]

Its possible he had a stroke or some medical issue that happened and he reacted as he did. Perhaps he thought a walk would make him feel better. One would think if he vomitted he would come back to the observatory. If I'm not mistaken wasn't it 3.5kms away that they perhaps started finding the "traces." At that point could he see La Silla? Its possible he was so confused that the observatory was not on his mind at all by that point. Perhaps they found the "traces along his route. But his path ended on a dirt road and that's where they lost all track of him.

 

[Kemug]

Please don't ever again let me follow a case in a country which speaks a language other than English.

 

[TLobo]

Please don't ever again let me follow a case in a country which speaks a language other than English.

SAME. (I mean, I will, but I'll still probably pull my hair out over it)

It seems like there should be guidelines around discussion of translated articles or documents. I dont know what those would look like, though. Maybe even just a disclaimer at the beginning of the thread when it's something that has taken place in a non-English speaking country and is primarily being reported on in a different language. In reality, it's closer to discussion of a secondary source (the translation) than a primary source (the original language), IMO.

 

[TLobo]

I don't think I have seen this article posted yet, talking about Prof Marsh's family having arrived in Chile.

Toward the end, it mentions that they have found definite clues, such as clothing (!), as well as other possible evidence, including a pair of water bottles - that could have belonged to Tom, but may also have been discarded by someone else walking in the same area.

I don't know how that is translated into English because I'm not able to toggle back and forth between languages on mobile, but...finding clothing seems like a big deal to just drop in there at the end. And I would guess that those water bottles are being analyzed in the lab, IMO.

 

[TLobo]

Yes continuously that's where that inference happened for me. Thanks. I realize Chair is La Silla in Spanish what about Chair of the observatory or some head of a department in La Silla? I just connected that with Tom being upset, but I see your point.

No, I don't believe they even call the head of a department a "chair" in Spanish. At any rate, "La Silla" clearly means the observatory in this context. He had been there before, we can infer that it is a familiar place to him. MOO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Please don't ever again let me follow a case in a country which speaks a language other than English.

It's why I seldom follow cases from non english speaking countries

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Toward the end, it mentions that they have found definite clues, such as clothing (!), as well as other possible evidence, including a pair of water bottles - that could have belonged to Tom, but may also have been discarded by someone else walking in the same area.

It's the first I've heard of any clothing being found, or water bottles.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Familia de Tom Marsh llega a Chile para supervisar búsqueda: se extenderá hasta el 15 de noviembre

Durante este fin de semana se levantó el campamento de Bomberos que estaba participando en la investigación para dar con el paradero del científico Thomas Marsh, quien se cree que se perdió en el camino que comunica el Observatorio La Silla con Punta Colorada.

www-diarioeldia-cl.translate.goog

Translated for what it's worth.

"The commander also disclosed that to date, the Fire Department, the PDI and the Carabineros have found "certain evidence, such as clothing and others that are possible, such as a couple of bottles of water that could be connected to Mr. Marsh, but that they could also have been left by other people.”"

It kind of sounds like the clothing may have also been someone else's

 

[Kemug]

Although his clothing should be recognisable to his family, he wouldn't have gone clothes-shopping immediately after arriving in the country, plus his wife may very likely have helped him pack.

 

[acutename]

I don't think I have seen this article posted yet, talking about Prof Marsh's family having arrived in Chile.

Toward the end, it mentions that they have found definite clues, such as clothing (!), as well as other possible evidence, including a pair of water bottles - that could have belonged to Tom, but may also have been discarded by someone else walking in the same area.

I don't know how that is translated into English because I'm not able to toggle back and forth between languages on mobile, but...finding clothing seems like a big deal to just drop in there at the end. And I would guess that those water bottles are being analyzed in the lab, IMO.

google translate says the last paragraph of this article is:

When asked about the state in which Thomas Marsh could be found, the rescue expert said that "this place is very complex and has many sheepfolds, so it is possible that if he is injured he has taken shelter in one of those places, but I could not say for sure, nor say in the conditions in which it would be found”.

so is it possible he is on a farm somewhere or in a pasture? could there actually be farmers that do not even know he is missing?

 

[5W's]

google translate says the last paragraph of this article is:

When asked about the state in which Thomas Marsh could be found, the rescue expert said that "this place is very complex and has many sheepfolds, so it is possible that if he is injured he has taken shelter in one of those places, but I could not say for sure, nor say in the conditions in which it would be found”.

so is it possible he is on a farm somewhere or in a pasture? could there actually be farmers that do not even know he is missing?

I think it may be possible because perhaps some may not have internet access or even cellphones. And Tom may look different in appearance as well so the sheep herders may think he is a drifter and wanted to help him perhaps for odd jobs he could do. I thinkin this case its possible he may have amnesia or some other mental issues as not realizing his life. Hopefully its not forced, though. It may be rural enough for these factors to come into play.

 

[5W's]

Another thought crossed my mind of a possibility remember I posted those photos with the donkeys where visitors at La Silla on the roads and outskirts of the La Silla were petting the donkeys? I wonder if those donkey's belong to farmers or sheep herders? Maybe Tom's whereabouts ended on the dirt road because he decided to ride a donkey because he was tired? And the donkey took him to a shelter or to its shelter?

 

[Hexe]

Another thought crossed my mind of a possibility remember I posted those photos with the donkeys where visitors at La Silla on the roads and outskirts of the La Silla were petting the donkeys? I wonder if those donkey's belong to farmers or sheep herders? Maybe Tom's whereabouts ended on the dirt road because he decided to ride a donkey because he was tired? And the donkey took him to a shelter or to its shelter?

No farm animals, donkeys included, roam these mountains free.

 

[5W's]

No farm animals, donkeys included, roam these mountains free.

No that's not so I posted pics from Google outside of La Silla the telescopes can ve seen. I will find it and repost.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Donkeys at La Silla

Donkeys at La Silla

www.eso.org

 

[TootsieFootsie]

La Silla for beginners – Australian ESO Forum

• Have you ever seen a viscacha? Viscachas are rodents native to South America. They are similar to rabbits, but with a tail that resembles the squirrel’s one – see the pictures above. There is a family of viscachas living very close to the Swiss 1.2-metre Leonhard Euler Telescope.
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• Other animals around the observatory? In La Silla you will have the chance to see a large variety of animals.
• Besides viscachas, there are donkeys, guanacos (see below), foxes, hawks, and condors.

 

[blessedandobsessed]

Unless it was a worker or student, basically anyone that should be out there, no one is driving up to the far regions in hope of robbing someone for the contents of their wallet.

 

[jbc]

Is it possible that he left willfully from the site and is still alive but far away, hoping to disappear himself?

 

[5W's]

No farm animals, donkeys included, roam these mountains free.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x9691caf51e5ad7c7%3A0x2d8ca36a6354e263!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOPhWU-N39OT2M873A-NUrlinn_o2pWo-HfMFyT%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5svisitor%20centre%20la%20silla%20chile%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipNoQMvVhYyDcWrLoqw1cTopDbvn0oS8NHRCXJPu&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjG-be5xIf7AhUUJjQIHZSNDbAQoip6BAhDEAM

Here are some photos from Google in some one can see buildings of the property. I saw one where visitors were petting the donkeys on the road outside. I thought it was with this set but its not.

Donkeys at La Silla

Donkeys at La Silla

www.eso.org