Christian school complains 8-year-old girl isn't girly enough

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She was punished by being expelled from the school she loved and her friends were at. Now I understand being expelled for bringing alcohol to school, but this is ridiculous!

"The family received a letter telling them that if their eight year old granddaughter didn't follow the school's "biblical standards," that she'd be refused enrollment next year. She's out and in public school now."

http://www.wset.com/story/25061872/...an-school-after-told-shes-too-much-like-a-boy

She was not expelled She was told she could not enroll next year. Not the same thing.

Again it is a private school. They can say who goes and who doesn't.

 

[i.b.nora]

This might be the article LinasK is referring to. In any case, the video at this page, definitely shows and discusses 'the letter' sent by the school. And follow the links as well.

http://www.wset.com/story/25061872/...fter-told-shes-too-much-like-a-boy?hpt=us_bn8

Little Girl Taken Out Of Christian School After Told She's Too Much Like A Boy
ABC13 Lynchburg Danville and Roanoke
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 7:22 PM PDT
By James Gherardi - bio | email

Be Sure to read the Related Links on the page

- Liberty Counsel Representing LCS - Statement
- Timberlake Christian School's Response To 8 Year Old Girl Removed From School
- READ: Letter From Timberlake Christian School To 8 Year Old's Family​

"Timberlake, VA - Sports, sneakers, and short hair; it's what makes eight year old Sunnie Kahle unique. It's also what had her removed from Timberlake Christian School. Her grandparents pulled the plug on her time there after they said she was no longer welcome.

The family received a letter telling them that if their eight year old granddaughter didn't follow the school's "biblical standards," that she'd be refused enrollment next year. She's out and in public school now."

More...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This might be the article LinasK is referring to. In any case, the video at this page, definitely shows and discusses 'the letter' sent by the school. And follow the links as well.

http://www.wset.com/story/25061872/...fter-told-shes-too-much-like-a-boy?hpt=us_bn8

Little Girl Taken Out Of Christian School After Told She's Too Much Like A Boy
ABC13 Lynchburg Danville and Roanoke
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 7:22 PM PDT
By James Gherardi - bio | email

Be Sure to read the Related Links on the page

- Liberty Counsel Representing LCS - Statement
- Timberlake Christian School's Response To 8 Year Old Girl Removed From School
- READ: Letter From Timberlake Christian School To 8 Year Old's Family​

"Timberlake, VA - Sports, sneakers, and short hair; it's what makes eight year old Sunnie Kahle unique. It's also what had her removed from Timberlake Christian School. Her grandparents pulled the plug on her time there after they said she was no longer welcome.

The family received a letter telling them that if their eight year old granddaughter didn't follow the school's "biblical standards," that she'd be refused enrollment next year. She's out and in public school now."

More...

I think where it ends with me is the operative word "TAKEN" Out of school Not expelled..

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is the letter from the school to the (grand)parents.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wset/SKMBT_60114032514080.pdf

AND

School's response to 8 year old removed from school.

http://tcs4u.org/timberlakeuserfiles/file/tcs_press_release.pdf

My Comment: Boots? Who said anything about boots? LOL.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I don't see anything about her being gay. I think she should be able to be a tom boy.. I was one.. Still am at heart. But I do not see the two things colliding here.

The last sentence in the first paragraph of this letter says otherwise.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I've lost the original article I read on it. The whole context of the letter from the school was printed and included language on how her not following their dress code was "immoral behavior". Granted this issue was resolved by moving her to a public school, but their despicable attitude needed a light shined on it (attention) like cockroaches. It shouldn't be acceptable to have such ignorant beliefs in modern society.

I completely agree, ignorance and bigotry must always be addressed.

"But the greatest of these is love."

 

[gitana1]

The child is not punished. I don't love uniforms but I do like dress codes. I think the whole thing is ridiculous frankly and not news..

In this case, the child's family was told she would not be welcome to come back if she didn't conform to their "standards" as to how she should act or appear. That's punishment for non-conformity. How do you think the child feels? Do you think she feels she's been punished?

They never implied that SK was sexually immoral or the like but then they go on to imply just that when they release a statement about how something SK somehow sends a message that corrupts the Christian education of the other children and is in conflict with the school upholding Christian standards.

Why'd they write the family this then?

If they had looked forward to working with her and her guardians, why did they send her family a letter saying they should consider getting her to another school?

Reading their letter it really sounds to me like her tomboyishness caused other kids to be confused about her gender which caused parents to flip out that a "lesbian" might use the same bathroom as their kids.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

In this case, the child's family was told she would not be welcome to come back if she didn't conform to their "standards" as to how she should act or appear. That's punishment for non-conformity. How do you think the child feels? Do you think she feels she's been punished?


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It is a private school. Conformity is part of sending your child there. That is not punishment.

 

[cuffem]

I don't see anything about her being gay. I think she should be able to be a tom boy.. I was one.. Still am at heart. But I do not see the two things colliding here.

The words "traditional values" was (and still is) used by religious political groups like the coalition for family values that push thier agenda of intolerance and bigotry. I have heard this garbage for years in Orlando when I was politically active in a justice coalition.

 

[Soulmagent]

I think in the long run Sunny will be much happier out of that school.

As far as missing her friends ,it is hard on an 8 year old . However better to remove her now from toxic people and before they effect her self worth as a person.

 

[Karmady]

The words "traditional values" was (and still is) used by religious political groups like the coalition for family values that push thier agenda of intolerance and bigotry. I have heard this garbage for years in Orlando when I was politically active in a justice coalition.

The school isn't "pushing" anything at all. Go there or don't is the message I get from the school's letter. Imo, the only "agenda pushing" is bizarrely, from the family who has already decided not to enrol the child for the next year, but wants to make a point about the school's policies -- which, by the way, they have certainly been aware of since she's been in school there. They want to make the school (which they chose to send their grandchild to for years) seem bad because she can't be/do whatever there. If that was a concern of theirs, they shouldn't have sent her to a conservative christian private school which, as far as I can tell, hasn't been covert about its policies vis-a-vis non-hetero sexuality.
jmo

 

[CHERIE.T]

So this isn't a transgender issue? The school wants Sunnie out because her haircut looks male in their opinion right?

 

[Karmady]

So this isn't a transgender issue? The school wants Sunnie out because her haircut looks male in their opinion right?

I doubt it. The media is trying to make it sound like it's all about outward apperance, like hair and clothes. But the school has released one or two statments saying, yeah...no...it's about a whole lot more than that. jmo

 

[MissUnderstood]

Seems like this girl will be much better off not at that school! I find it sad and a little offensive to actually live in a world were this issue even exists.

I hope this young girl can flourish and grow to be whoever or whatever she pleases and be around people who support her no matter her hair length, dress code or girlyness!

I am not religious or follow any faith other than my own need to be an open minded, non-judgmental, helpful and caring human being. If your a genuine, nice and good intentioned person I don't care if you wear a garbage bag and have pipe cleaners in your hair!


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[txsvicki]

It almost sounds as if the grandparents are the ones denying everything. The first letter from the school sounded as if they knew what Sunnie's identity counseling was all about and that future education was going to be confusing at that particular school, yet the grandparents say she just likes wearing jeans and donated her hair. Her hair should have grown some from when she donated it though. I wonder if the grandparents originally took Sunnie for counseling on their own or if the school recommended it.

 

[cuffem]

The school isn't "pushing" anything at all. Go there or don't is the message I get from the school's letter. Imo, the only "agenda pushing" is bizarrely, from the family who has already decided not to enrol the child for the next year, but wants to make a point about the school's policies -- which, by the way, they have certainly been aware of since she's been in school there. They want to make the school (which they chose to send their grandchild to for years) seem bad because she can't be/do whatever there. If that was a concern of theirs, they shouldn't have sent her to a conservative christian private school which, as far as I can tell, hasn't been covert about its policies vis-a-vis non-hetero sexuality.
jmo

I think you misunderstood my post. I was talking about the coalition groups using the same language as this school. But yeah in a way they are pushing an agenda that is "Be straight or get out!".
I have a feeling this thread is going to push my buttons and I dont want a time out.I have been dealing with people like this my whole life and no child should have to.

 

[Donjeta]

Here is the letter from the school to the (grand)parents.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wset/SKMBT_60114032514080.pdf

AND

School's response to 8 year old removed from school.

http://tcs4u.org/timberlakeuserfiles/file/tcs_press_release.pdf

My Comment: Boots? Who said anything about boots? LOL.

Abbott says they never made any accusations of sexual immorality but these are the Bible passages that according to the principal Bowman are being violated by the direction this poor child is heading:

Leviticus 20:13.

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:21-27

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Matthew 19: 4-6

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

1 Corinthians:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

If Bible quotes about fornication and unnatural lust are not an accusation of sexual immorality I don't know what is.

Clearly they think the clothes and the hair and whatever they find objectionable about her behavior are a symptom that this poor child is going to grow up lesbian or transgender and that's why they threw her out of the school.

(I know the school says it was completely her family's decision but they did send them a letter asking them not to re-enroll her so I would tend to consider that a lie.)

But yeah, she's probably better off in any other school.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The words "traditional values" was (and still is) used by religious political groups like the coalition for family values that push thier agenda of intolerance and bigotry. I have heard this garbage for years in Orlando when I was politically active in a justice coalition.

There is nothing wrong with being traditional. There is something wrong with being hateful. They are not that same thing. It's like saying all of one group are one way which is in fact bias. Traditional means a lot of different things. Lumping everyone together is no better that what you are saying you don't like.

This should not be news. This family decided they did not like the values of this school and took her out if school. That should be the end of the story.


Forgive the autocorrect. Tapatalk has a mind of its own.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Abbott says they never made any accusations of sexual immorality but these are the Bible passages that according to the principal Bowman are being violated by the direction this poor child is heading:



Leviticus 20:13.







Romans 1:21-27



Matthew 19: 4-6





1 Corinthians:







If Bible quotes about fornication and unnatural lust are not an accusation of sexual immorality I don't know what is.



Clearly they think the clothes and the hair and whatever they find objectionable about her behavior are a symptom that this poor child is going to grow up lesbian or transgender and that's why they threw her out of the school.



(I know the school says it was completely her family's decision but they did send them a letter asking them not to re-enroll her so I would tend to consider that a lie.)



But yeah, she's probably better off in any other school.

The guy is a nut. There is no doubt. His fear of something he does not understand is showing.

But again people misinterpret the bible all the time. They try and use it like a weapon against people and that is not what God intended it for.

This is not about Christians. This is about one guy and his messed up ideas.
She left the school. Which is a good thing. There are all degrees of strictness and traditionalists and all degrees of crazy.

This was ridiculous IMO. But I stand by their right to run their private school as they wish.

She'll be happier being free to be who she is in the confines of the next school but will still have rules to conform to.


Forgive the autocorrect. Tapatalk has a mind of its own.

 

[Nova]

Abbott says they never made any accusations of sexual immorality but these are the Bible passages that according to the principal Bowman are being violated by the direction this poor child is heading....

If Bible quotes about fornication and unnatural lust are not an accusation of sexual immorality I don't know what is....

Actually, only the Leviticus is particularly clear (and some scholars question even that). It isn't entirely clear whether the Torah is talking about all same-sex behavior or just ritual sex with temple prostitutes (a common practice among the followers of Baal). In any event, women get a pass.

Paul's letter to the Romans talks about people committing acts against their own natures. He doesn't even have a concept of people for whom same-sex orientation is their nature, nor does he suggest what is to be done with us.

The Matthew quote is a reach, unless one understands it to condemn all people who do not choose to procreate, including Catholic priests and nuns!

There are all sorts of problems with the Corinthians passage. I can look for a cite if you like (I realize you didn't compile this list), but suffice it to say the sentence in question has been translated through several languages and it is not at all clear what "effeminate" is supposed to mean.

Only the Paul reference refers to females anyway, so I guess they get a pass everywhere but at school.

A verse or two before or after the Leviticus condemns those who cut their beards before entering the temple, another condemns the wearing of clothes made from two kinds of cloth.

If the school enforces such other proscriptions, then I might have more respect for the opinion of its principal.