Christian school complains 8-year-old girl isn't girly enough

  • #81
Oh good grief, short haircuts and pants have nothing to do with "gender identity." I know plenty of women who have short hair and wear pants. Short hair is practical and pants, IMO, are more comfortable and less restrictive than skirts/dresses. What a bunch of sexist, narrow-minded (self-edit)s the school administrators are!
 
  • #82
"This year, a girl mistook Sunnie for a boy in the girls' restroom and reported it to a teacher, and two boys tried to drag Sunnie into the boys' restroom. Sunnie said the boys got in trouble, but she did too "for yelling down the hallway."...

...Sunnie's troubles at Timberlake began in pre-kindergarten after she cut her hair to donate it to a program that provides wigs for cancer patients, Doris Thompson said. Around then, she started wanting boys' clothes.

"A teacher told me I was the parent and I needed to control her, and if she didn't obey I needed to take her in the bathroom and whip her butt," Thompson said.

Rather than just dismiss the teacher's concerns, she asked the family doctor for advice. "He said, 'Leave that child alone!'" she said.

http://news.msn.com/us/christian-school-pressures-tomboy-to-transfer
 
  • #83
"This year, a girl mistook Sunnie for a boy in the girls' restroom and reported it to a teacher, and two boys tried to drag Sunnie into the boys' restroom. Sunnie said the boys got in trouble, but she did too "for yelling down the hallway."...



...Sunnie's troubles at Timberlake began in pre-kindergarten after she cut her hair to donate it to a program that provides wigs for cancer patients, Doris Thompson said. Around then, she started wanting boys' clothes.



"A teacher told me I was the parent and I needed to control her, and if she didn't obey I needed to take her in the bathroom and whip her butt," Thompson said.



Rather than just dismiss the teacher's concerns, she asked the family doctor for advice. "He said, 'Leave that child alone!'" she said.



http://news.msn.com/us/christian-school-pressures-tomboy-to-transfer

Makes my heart ache.

What a bunch of narrow minded ignorant twits. They have no business being around any children....good grief! IMO


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  • #84
Makes my heart ache.

What a bunch of narrow minded ignorant twits. They have no business being around any children....good grief! IMO


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Were the parents of the 2 boys that tried to pull Sunnie into the boys room told to 'whip their butts'? The problems Sunnie had at the school were because of other children's actions. At 8, she may not realize that it is good for her to be away from that school and those in it but, when she is older, she will understand.

Hitting a child is not a way to punish them. If an adult hit another adult, to make them mind, then assault charges would be filed. Yet it should be okay for an adult to hit a child? Hitting a child just shows them volence, IMHO
 
  • #85
Other disputes over gender expression at school have made headlines recently, including a demand, later rescinded, that a 9-year-old North Carolina boy cease carrying a My Little Pony backpack to school.

:facepalm:
 
  • #86
Were the parents of the 2 boys that tried to pull Sunnie into the boys room told to 'whip their butts'? The problems Sunnie had at the school were because of other children's actions. At 8, she may not realize that it is good for her to be away from that school and those in it but, when she is older, she will understand.



Hitting a child is not a way to punish them. If an adult hit another adult, to make them mind, then assault charges would be filed. Yet it should be okay for an adult to hit a child? Hitting a child just shows them volence, IMHO


The little girl should have quietly been dragged into the bathroom by the two boys??? WTH????
SHE got in trouble too? WHAT????

This is some scary poop! I absolutely HATE and find it incredibly sad any school can legally get away with this NONSENSE by hiding behind "religion"


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  • #87
Agreed, plus dress codes have nothing to do with hair length.

The real reason is that they fear she will turn out to be a lesbian if she dresses like a tomboy.:twocents::moo:

The public school where I went hair length was in the dress code...for boys.
 
  • #88
Lots more hyou a ere...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews...dresses-and-behaves-like-a-boy-204748527.html

snips

"As reported by WSET 13 News, the letter emphasized that Sunnie, who sports jeans, sneakers and a short hair cut, could be denied continued enrollment in the school. According to the TCS guidelines, enrollment at the bible-based institution could be refused to students who live in, condone, or support “sexual immorality; practicing homosexual lifestyle or alternative gender identity; promoting such practices; or otherwise having the inability to support the moral principles of the school.” The letter cited Bible verses, which they say are the basis of TCP’s principles."

"Additionally the principal wrote, "We believe that unless Sunnie as well as her family clearly understand that God has made her female and her dress and behavior need to follow suit with her God-ordained identity, that TCS is not the best place for her future education.""

You know a school or church that takes a stance like this always makes me wonder. How do they know whether or not this child was born a hermaphrodite? How would they handle a child like that? God makes them too. And if God can make a child with this condition, surely that means he can make tomboys. And even children with gay /lesbian feelings. And if God made them, what right does the school have to say they are wrong?

And all that is besides the fact that the child is 8. I believe at 8 I wanted to be a movie star. Meaning that at 8 years old, this child may or may not be exploring the limits of her sexual identity, and that maybe they will be the same at age 18 and maybe they won't be. Heck she hasn't even hit puberty yet. The school is only adding to any confusion she may have.
 
  • #89
Abbott says they never made any accusations of sexual immorality but these are the Bible passages that according to the principal Bowman are being violated by the direction this poor child is heading:

Leviticus 20:13.



Romans 1:21-27

Matthew 19: 4-6


1 Corinthians:



If Bible quotes about fornication and unnatural lust are not an accusation of sexual immorality I don't know what is.

Clearly they think the clothes and the hair and whatever they find objectionable about her behavior are a symptom that this poor child is going to grow up lesbian or transgender and that's why they threw her out of the school.

(I know the school says it was completely her family's decision but they did send them a letter asking them not to re-enroll her so I would tend to consider that a lie.)

But yeah, she's probably better off in any other school.

I'm not good at the Bible, but I seem to remember a
quote in there somewhere about "suffer the little the little to come to me" and not to prevent them or something? Sounds to me like the school is trying to prevent them or at least her.
 
  • #90
Agreed, plus dress codes have nothing to do with hair length.

The real reason is that they fear she will turn out to be a lesbian if she dresses like a tomboy.:twocents::moo:

The school thinks she is Transgendered don't they? Are they right though? If not, then they've just labelled her based on some very superficial observations, wondering if there is more to this story or not.

I wish people who were transgendered didn't suffer the amount of discrimination in the name of 'god' that they do, it's so sad. If god made her female, then it stands to reason he made her transgendered too, if that is what is going on.

Well, welcome to the cold harsh world, hey kiddo? :(
 
  • #91
"This year, a girl mistook Sunnie for a boy in the girls' restroom and reported it to a teacher, and two boys tried to drag Sunnie into the boys' restroom. Sunnie said the boys got in trouble, but she did too "for yelling down the hallway."...

...Sunnie's troubles at Timberlake began in pre-kindergarten after she cut her hair to donate it to a program that provides wigs for cancer patients, Doris Thompson said. Around then, she started wanting boys' clothes.

"A teacher told me I was the parent and I needed to control her, and if she didn't obey I needed to take her in the bathroom and whip her butt," Thompson said.

Rather than just dismiss the teacher's concerns, she asked the family doctor for advice. "He said, 'Leave that child alone!'" she said.

http://news.msn.com/us/christian-school-pressures-tomboy-to-transfer

Right, well now I am a tad :stormingmad:

So basically, it goes against christian values for a girl to swan about wearing pants and boots in an unladylike fashion, but bigotry and small mindedness is 100% tickity boo. Anyone other than me see the irony here?

Can you imagine if the person we are told to believe Jesus was, was around to see what is being done in his name these days? I bet there'd be hell to pay, and it wouldn't be the LBGT community at the pointy end of his wrath. Just sayin'
 
  • #92
I've been following this discussion but haven't posted. I wanted to share an experience with a local Christian school but didn't want to take the thread too far off-topic. Since many here have alluded to bigotry, intolerance, small-mindedness, etc., I think it's alright for me to share this unfortunate occurrence.

Some of you might be familiar with Chili's restaurant annual chili pepper coloring contest that raises money to fight children's cancer. Several years ago, DH and went to Chili's one evening when we were running errands near the restaurant. The walls of the lobby were decorated with the chili pepper coloring forms that were submitted by patrons. Our server told us about the coloring contest and since we didn't have children with us, we were asked to make a donation at our discretion (we did).

http://morehope.chilis.com/

After we finished our dinner, we took some time to look at the vast array of colorful pictures and noticed one that we deemed totally inappropriate. We looked at one another :eek: and wondered what prompted a youngster to use the coloring form to make a religious slur while pointing out that the chili pepper resembled a certain facial feature. The contest submission was signed by a child who identified herself as being in third grade at a local Christian school.

We asked the hostess if we could speak to a manager but were told that he wasn't there at the time. Had there been a problem with our food or service? No. We simply wanted to speak to the manager and were told that he would be there the following night. We called before we headed there the next night to make sure that the manager was available. We showed him the coloring form, and he immediately removed it from the display. He was very apologetic and said that he agreed with us that the entry should not have been displayed and that he would advise his staff to use discretion when posting the coloring forms. We asked if we could have the original because we wanted to contact the child's school and let them see this younger's handiwork.

We sent a letter along with the original coloring form to the principal of the local Christian school, asking the rhetorical question, "Is this what you are teaching children in your school?". We said that we had been offended by the derogatory comment written by the third grader and wondered what would have prompted her to say such a thing. Presumably, the child's parents were with the girl when she submitted the drawing, so we wondered if the behavior was learned in the home and/or at school.

We hadn't asked for a response but received a letter from the principal with his apologies regarding the insensitive coloring contest entry. He indicated that the child's family had been contacted regarding the inappropriateness of the drawing and that the school would make certain that their students would be discouraged from future insensitivity.

My apologies if my post is off-topic, but it speaks to the bigotry and intolerance that is learned at a very early age. :moo:
 
  • #93
I've been following this discussion but haven't posted. I wanted to share an experience with a local Christian school but didn't want to take the thread too far off-topic. Since many here have alluded to bigotry, intolerance, small-mindedness, etc., I think it's alright for me to share this unfortunate occurrence.



Some of you might be familiar with Chili's restaurant annual chili pepper coloring contest that raises money to fight children's cancer. Several years ago, DH and went to Chili's one evening when we were running errands near the restaurant. The walls of the lobby were decorated with the chili pepper coloring forms that were submitted by patrons. Our server told us about the coloring contest and since we didn't have children with us, we were asked to make a donation at our discretion (we did).



http://morehope.chilis.com/



After we finished our dinner, we took some time to look at the vast array of colorful pictures and noticed one that we deemed totally inappropriate. We looked at one another :eek: and wondered what prompted a youngster to use the coloring form to make a religious slur while pointing out that the chili pepper resembled a certain facial feature. The contest submission was signed by a child who identified herself as being in third grade at a local Christian school.



We asked the hostess if we could speak to a manager but were told that he wasn't there at the time. Had there been a problem with our food or service? No. We simply wanted to speak to the manager and were told that he would be there the following night. We called before we headed there the next night to make sure that the manager was available. We showed him the coloring form, and he immediately removed it from the display. He was very apologetic and said that he agreed with us that the entry should not have been displayed and that he would advise his staff to use discretion when posting the coloring forms. We asked if we could have the original because we wanted to contact the child's school and let them see this younger's handiwork.



We sent a letter along with the original coloring form to the principal of the local Christian school, asking the rhetorical question, "Is this what you are teaching children in your school?". We said that we had been offended by the derogatory comment written by the third grader and wondered what would have prompted her to say such a thing. Presumably, the child's parents were with the girl when she submitted the drawing, so we wondered if the behavior was learned in the home and/or at school.



We hadn't asked for a response but received a letter from the principal with his apologies regarding the insensitive coloring contest entry. He indicated that the child's family had been contacted regarding the inappropriateness of the drawing and that the school would make certain that their students would be discouraged from future insensitivity.



My apologies if my post is off-topic, but it speaks to the bigotry and intolerance that is learned at a very early age. :moo:


3rd grade huh?

I want to thank you for caring enough and taking the time to follow through and address this on all levels. IMO it's very important, and not something most people would do.
The world needs more people like you!

Thank you button obviously wasn't enough:)



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  • #94
3rd grade huh?

I want to thank you for caring enough and taking the time to follow through and address this on all levels. IMO it's very important, and not something most people would do.
The world needs more people like you!

Thank you button obviously wasn't enough:)



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It's difficult to fault an 8 or 9-year-old for this type of insensitivity. I think that it's safe to say that the child was not dining alone at Chili's and was likely there with parents or other adults. DH and I were most upset by the fact that an adult who was with the youngster allowed or encouraged the girl to write a derogatory comment and color the chili pepper to look like a nose for submission in a poster contest :furious: That the child attended a Christian school was troublesome, as well. Someone - family and/or school - is teaching this child intolerance, and that is shameful. :moo:
 

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