Cindy Anthony subpoenaed to appear in court

[beach]

Thanks Gnatcatcher!

I'm sitting here watching these old videos of CA's interviews in the early days....and I am just trying to figure out why it appears even CRAZIER now... her claims, her behavior, her 'reasoning' - all of it seems more insane than ever! WTH did she think she was kidding?!

And to be the wife of a former LE who worked homicide for a while.... I am just speechless.


eta: oh, and the PANTS. She brings up the pants. It sure was important to wash those pants... During all that was going on that day, she thought it was important enough to throw in a load of laundry. yeah, right.

 

[seagull65]

Omg! The officers who took her statements deserve a medal for sitting there listening to her praddle on and on and on and not pulling out their weapons!

ut em up:

LOL
of course there's been so much criticism of the way she talked on and on with the officers. But (if I'm thinking of the same interview) it appeared that she thought the detectives were genuinely asking her to try to work on a timeline with them, they hadn't asked for a simple statement. She appeared to be trying hard to recall any/every little shred of information about the timeline and share it with them in case it could lead to Caylee. I think she thought if they went over all of Casey's cryptic stories somehow they were going to figure out what friend or babysitter really had Caylee and Caylee was going to be brought home safely to them. I can't imagine how worried and exhausted she must have been at that time. I think the one officer seemed genuine about collecting the info in case it could be helpful in finding Caylee. He did seem kind and patient also

I feel very bad for Cindy. I think being questioned in court is going to be agony for her, of course it can't be avoided, but it's just such a sad process to see. I don't know how she has survived all this. Very sad, needless to say.

 

[Leila]

Well, when I look at the way she was raised, it does not surprise me that she did not follow the proper protocol and call 911 as Ca did.IMO I don't really think it has been established when Kc realized that Caylee was missing. IMO I don't believe she ever did. IMO If the state has proof that Kc killed her daughter a month earlier, then all this is mute. IMO I just do not believe they have proof. IMO I think the jury will find out how Kc was raised and how she lived her life, and have a much better understanding as to why she did not call 911. IMO

Casey knew EXACTLY when Caylee "went missing." She didn't say, "about a month ago" or "a few weeks ago" - she said, "31 days! She knew right down to the day when she last saw Caylee.

How she was raised didn't have anything to do with why Casey didn't call 911. Casey didn't call 911 because she didn't want Caylee found. Casey was very happy living the good life with her boyfriend of the the day.

How she was raised doesn't come into play at all, except when it comes to the penalty phase of the trial, at which time the defense will try to portray Casey as a victim of a poor environment.

There are plenty of people who grew up in adverse circumstances, yet they don't murder their children. But, defense attorneys and criminals love to play the blame game, always blaming someone else for the crime.

 

[RR0004]

You know it has always bothered me that KC told LE that the last time she saw Caylee was June 9th (which by the way is the date CA said, she last saw Caylee). Now here is the part that doesn't make sense. Why would KC not remember the exact date she last saw Caylee? I believe that CA came up with the date of June 9th, and after KC repeats that date to LE the 31 days don't add up to June 9th. KC took her mother's word that June 9th was the last day she saw Caylee, and she changes her story to match up with her mother's statement. BIG MISTAKE!!! Then up pops the video of Caylee, and her great grandfather at the nursing home on June 15th. Hustling to back peddle CA admits the last time she saw Caylee was June 15th only because there is video with a date stamp on the film, and the sign in sheet at the nursing home matches the film. Then when LA visits KC in jail he tells her she needs to write LE a letter in her own handwriting, and mail it to them directly that she made a mistake with the date of June 9th. KC says, yeah I know I'm going to do that. Again, why would KC say she hadn't seen Caylee since June 9th, and then insert she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days on July 15th. Sounds like there was some planning going on in the Ant's house to me, and Mama A was the screen writer.

That didn't make sense to me then...and it still doesn't now.

 

[Reagan]

She will be made a fool of if she tries to keep up this charade at the trial. JMO

Respectfully snipped

The A's are already wayyyy beyond that point.
She will most definitely keep up this charade at trial and even afterwards. FICA (Future Inmate Cindy Anthony) thinks she's so dang smart, and the rest of the world are complete morons, when in reality it's the opposite.

She will try her darndest, but no one is going to buy the garbage she spews. Like her little snothead KC, she will take her lies as far as she can.

 

[chefmom]

LOL
of course there's been so much criticism of the way she talked on and on with the officers. But (if I'm thinking of the same interview) it appeared that she thought the detectives were genuinely asking her to try to work on a timeline with them, they hadn't asked for a simple statement. She appeared to be trying hard to recall any/every little shred of information about the timeline and share it with them in case it could lead to Caylee. I think she thought if they went over all of Casey's cryptic stories somehow they would figure it out and find Caylee with some friend or babysitter. I can't imagine how worried and exhausted she must have been at that time. I think the one officer seemed genuine about collecting the info in case it could be helpful in finding Caylee. He did seem kind and patient also

Yes, there is no doubt that CA is accustomed to leading the conversation and controlling its direction. I think that is where much of the criticism comes from with these LE/FBI interviews. So much of the time she seemed to be trying to steer the LEO's in a direction that she thought was the way they should be going instead of just answering their questions and giving them the info they asked for. Did they ever get those JCP receipts? I can't recall seeing anything about those. :waitasec:

 

[Reagan]

LOL
of course there's been so much criticism of the way she talked on and on with the officers. But (if I'm thinking of the same interview) it appeared that she thought the detectives were genuinely asking her to try to work on a timeline with them, they hadn't asked for a simple statement. She appeared to be trying hard to recall any/every little shred of information about the timeline and share it with them in case it could lead to Caylee. I think she thought if they went over all of Casey's cryptic stories somehow they were going to figure out what friend or babysitter really had Caylee and Caylee was going to be brought home safely to them. I can't imagine how worried and exhausted she must have been at that time. I think the one officer seemed genuine about collecting the info in case it could be helpful in finding Caylee. He did seem kind and patient also

I feel very bad for Cindy. I think being questioned in court is going to be agony for her, of course it can't be avoided, but it's just such a sad process to see. I don't know how she has survived all this really. Very sad, needless to say.

I don't think she was genuinely trying to help. She spent the entire interview talking about a timeline that she admitted were all LIES. KC isn't this cryptic story teller, leading others to clues... She just flat out lies. CA also over-exaggerated/lied about how great KC was on the questionnaire. Any time the detectives would call cindy out on her lies or changing her story, she fake cried and played the grieving grandma card. Then she flat out refused to hand over her CC statements. I don't see how anything in her interview can be construed as helpful.
Cindy made her own bed. Now she has to lie in it. I feel sorry for Caylee, the child who was murdered by her own mothers hands.

P.S Please don't think the snarkiness in my post is directed towards you. It is the frustration I feel for CA and KC.

 

[seagull65]

Just watched the clip above, YM was still pretty patient in this one. This must have been before he grabbed her arms etc

At times she wandered off track, no doubt partly due to the exhaustion, but obviously because some theories were just too unbearable to continue to discuss... Like when she was talking about the trunk smell or how she couldn't imagine Caylee's body having been in the trunk, then she suddenly wanders off onto "we've had that car since...first, my husband owned that car, then Lee had it...." etc etc. It's totally understandable. How long could any person continue to discuss the theory of their grandchild's body having been in a car trunk? But certainly, all the A's definitely mentioned how bad the car smell was, as seen there in that clip

 

[Marina2]

The excited utterance is not "one of the reasons" they want to admit the 911 call. It is an exception to the hearsay rule that will allow that third 911 call to come in. The statement about the car isn't the only excited utterance CA spoke. The entire call was an excited utterance by my understanding of the legal definition. If the defense tries to argue that it's hearsay and shouldn't be admitted, this is where excited utterance will come into play. It pertains to the entire call, not just the statement about the smell of the car. The state will use this exception if necessary in order to get the tape admitted so that they can show the progression of KC's lies or consciousness of guilt.

 

[Oakley]

Reading this, I'm kind of confused...

You see, I'm operating under the theory, that once CA and GA realized what ICA had done, they decided to make sure that no matter what was said, or what was done they were going to make sure....

Ready?

Wait for it....

That ICA was convicted, and would never come home to threaten their family again.

I firmly believe that they have done everything in their power to make sure that she is convicted in the "court of public opinion" and in a "court of law"

<no cherries in the rotten fruit throwing...I'm allergic to cherries>

No fruit throwing from me, Lisalei. Don't know if I agree with that but gollly, gee---- they sure have not helped her one iota, have they? <rhetorical question.>

 

[Oakley]

LOL
of course there's been so much criticism of the way she talked on and on with the officers. But (if I'm thinking of the same interview) it appeared that she thought the detectives were genuinely asking her to try to work on a timeline with them, they hadn't asked for a simple statement. She appeared to be trying hard to recall any/every little shred of information about the timeline and share it with them in case it could lead to Caylee. I think she thought if they went over all of Casey's cryptic stories somehow they were going to figure out what friend or babysitter really had Caylee and Caylee was going to be brought home safely to them. I can't imagine how worried and exhausted she must have been at that time. I think the one officer seemed genuine about collecting the info in case it could be helpful in finding Caylee. He did seem kind and patient also

I feel very bad for Cindy. I think being questioned in court is going to be agony for her, of course it can't be avoided, but it's just such a sad process to see. I don't know how she has survived all this. Very sad, needless to say.

BBM yes it will be, Seagull, I'm sure. I don't think Cindy realizes at all how she comes across to others. If she would humble herself and just tell the truth, I do believe the public's opinion toward her would soften some. But most importantly, Cindy would then allow some long overdue healing to take place, and would find some relief and closure. JMO.

 

[Steely Dan]

rbbm:

Least we not forget the other big lie (well among all the others when her lips move). I remember the media interviews where CA and GA spouted that they had the "kidnapper" under surveillance .... yep they sure did ..... in a jail cell, by herself, writing notes to her new friends. Sheeze ..... we could have told them this.

Oh man, I don't think it will come up this week but I eventually hope she has to say who they had under surveillance.

Yes, there is no doubt that CA is accustomed to leading the conversation and controlling its direction. I think that is where much of the criticism comes from with these LE/FBI interviews. So much of the time she seemed to be trying to steer the LEO's in a direction that she thought was the way they should be going instead of just answering their questions and giving them the info they asked for. Did they ever get those JCP receipts? I can't recall seeing anything about those. :waitasec:

Kinda like an episode of Columbo.

 

[Oakley]

Just watched the clip above, YM was still pretty patient in this one. This must have been before he grabbed her arms etc

At times she wandered off track, no doubt partly due to the exhaustion, but obviously because some theories were just too unbearable to continue to discuss... Like when she was talking about the trunk smell or how she couldn't imagine Caylee's body having been in the trunk, then she suddenly wanders off onto "we've had that car since...first, my husband owned that car, then Lee had it...." etc etc. It's totally understandable. How long could any person continue to discuss the theory of their grandchild's body having been in a car trunk? But certainly, all the A's definitely mentioned how bad the car smell was, as seen there in that clip

BBM LOL Funny how people view things differently. What I saw was Yuri very patiently and gently working with Cindy in trying to reason with her, realizing that she was (certainly at that point!) a grieving grandmother. He was not rough or impatient with her at any point IMO. I believe he is well practiced in dealing with parents and grandparents in this type of situation (IIRC he deals primarily with missing children?) Anyhow, I was touched by Yuri's tact and empathy toward Cindy, and amazed at his patience. He certainly was not mean, impatient, or rough with her in any way in any of the video's I viewed. JMO.

 

[seagull65]

IMO I don't really think it has been established when Kc realized that Caylee was missing. IMO I don't believe she ever did.

I know, and I hope the defense adequately researched the various possibilities there. I've been concerned all along that maybe they haven't. Her family all seemed to take for granted that everything she says is like a puzzle that you have to try to solve, that she doesn't make sense. That was always a big clue to me that they know her to be someone with some type of confused or impaired thinking. (Although by all reports the family and friends never thought she could or would ever hurt Caylee in any way, there was no history of any violence.)

I sure hope the defense researched:

for example, questions regarding her mental state at that time, (also past and even to present.) How aware was she, does she have schizophrenic or manic episodes, was this her first onset/first major episode, does she have any brain or memory disorder, does she have a sleep disorder or suffer from periods of delirium for any reason, etc

not to mention questions of whether her awareness was impaired during that time frame by anything else like drug use, could she have started using something, or could she even have been drugged by someone else, or could she have been in a traumatized state, etc

Also, what if she originally thought a friend or potentially even a family member had Caylee, at what point did she realize that person didn't have Caylee or that the situation appeared to be serious, was she too afraid at that stage to admit to her family or authorities what was going on? Or could her mind not even begin to handle such a situation, just totally incapable? Did she just retreat into this apparent la-la land in her mind? Or did she not realize the actual situation until she was confronted, and then admitted "I haven't seen her for 31 days".

excuse me rambling NTS, my own tired brain is having trouble phrasing my thoughts here, must go to bed! Have a great night everyone

 

[chefmom]

Just watched the clip above, YM was still pretty patient in this one. This must have been before he grabbed her arms etc

At times she wandered off track, no doubt partly due to the exhaustion, but obviously because some theories were just too unbearable to continue to discuss... Like when she was talking about the trunk smell or how she couldn't imagine Caylee's body having been in the trunk, then she suddenly wanders off onto "we've had that car since...first, my husband owned that car, then Lee had it...." etc etc. It's totally understandable. How long could any person continue to discuss the theory of their grandchild's body having been in a car trunk? But certainly, all the A's definitely mentioned how bad the car smell was, as seen there in that clip

BBM

I think that is it in a nutshell. Her mind would put 2 & 2 together and get 4, but 4 was just too unbearable to have so she would insist that it was really 5.
Neither CA nor GA have ever wanted to venture down the road that leads to KC killing Caylee and they have said as much. IMO, they have both become quite a bit "off" since KC destroyed their lives. They are clinging to what semblance of normalcy they have left, be it real or imagined.

 

[Reagan]

Oh man, I don't think it will come up this week but I eventually hope she has to say who they had under surveillance.



Kinda like an episode of Columbo.

I can't remember who GA told, but he said it was Jesse Grund and I believe Tony L. I'm not sure about the latter, but I am sure about JG. Hopefully someone can help me out about the additional details.

Oh...and by surveillance, he meant driving by their homes repeatedly.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I know, and I hope the defense adequately researched the various possibilities there. I've been concerned all along that maybe they haven't. Her family all seemed to take for granted that everything she says is like a puzzle that you have to try to solve, that she doesn't make sense. That was always a big clue to me that they know her to be someone with some type of confused or impaired thinking. (Although by all reports the family and friends never thought she could or would ever hurt Caylee in any way, there was no history of any violence.)

I sure hope the defense researched:

for example, questions regarding her mental state at that time, (also past and even to present.) How aware was she, does she have schizophrenic or manic episodes, was this her first onset/first major episode, does she have any brain or memory disorder, does she have a sleep disorder or suffer from periods of delirium for any reason, etc

not to mention questions of whether her awareness was impaired during that time frame by anything else like drug use, could she have started using something, or could she even have been drugged by someone else, or could she have been in a traumatized state, etc

Also, what if she originally thought a friend or potentially even a family member had Caylee, at what point did she realize that person didn't have Caylee or that the situation appeared to be serious, was she too afraid at that stage to admit to her family or authorities what was going on? Or could her mind not even begin to handle such a situation, just totally incapable? Did she just retreat into this apparent la-la land in her mind? Or did she not realize the actual situation until she was confronted, and then admitted "I haven't seen her for 31 days".

excuse me rambling NTS, my own tired brain is having trouble phrasing my thoughts here, must go to bed! Have a great night everyone

You're kidding right? What if she thought a friend or family member had Caylee?? So now we're going to impute mental illness onto Casey because that would somehow make more sense than the obvious? There is no, and I mean NO evidence of anything like that at all. What's with people trying to concoct the most unlikely scenarios instead of looking at the situation for what it is? She didn't have any such confusion or breakdowns or onset of mental illness that anyone has ever mentioned. If she did, and if it was that serious, she'd have to be on meds to maintain any kind of normalcy especially with schizophrenia.

By the way...mental illness does NOT correlate with violence or aggression in any way. That is a stereotype. Anyone in mental health services knows that the vast majority of severely mentally ill persons are passive, not violent, not murderers, and yes there are exceptions - my point is - it's not anywhere near the first place one would look for an explanation unless there was some kind of previous evidence of mental illness and even then it's part of the equation.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of the stereotypes. She knew what she was doing when she was sleeping with different guys, lying to them, concocting and maintaining a fantasy life of work, etc. She's a liar. She's a criminal. No normal person could understand what she did, but it does not change the fact that she did it. Oh, sorry, IMO she did it.

Maybe she didn't know when Caylee went missing? *sigh*... Come on people...this is what we run into when these things get drug out for years and years - the more fantastic, interesting, unlikely and sensational explanations surface and muddy the waters of a very clear situation. It does not bode well for justice for Caylee if people keep getting carried away.

 

[Leila]

You're kidding right? What if she thought a friend or family member had Caylee?? So now we're going to impute mental illness onto Casey because that would somehow make more sense than the obvious? There is no, and I mean NO evidence of anything like that at all. What's with people trying to concoct the most unlikely scenarios instead of looking at the situation for what it is? She didn't have any such confusion or breakdowns or onset of mental illness that anyone has ever mentioned. If she did, and it was that serious, she'd have to be on meds to maintain any kind of normalcy especially with schizophrenia.

By the way...mental illness does NOT correlate with violence or aggression in any way. That is a stereotype. Anyone in mental health services knows that the vast majority of severely mentally ill persons are passive, not violent, not murderers, and yes there are exceptions - my point is - it's not anywhere near the first place one would look for an explanation unless there was some kind of previous evidence of mental illness and even then it's part of the equation.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of the stereotypes. She knew what she was doing when she was sleeping with different guys, lying to them, concocting and maintaining a fantasy life of work, etc. She's a liar. She's a criminal. No normal person could understand what she did, but it does not change the fact that she did it. Oh, sorry, IMO she did it.

Maybe she didn't know when Caylee went missing? *sigh*... Come on people...this is what we run into when these things get drug out for years and years - the more fantastic, interesting, unlikely and sensational explanations surface and muddy the waters of a very clear situation. It does not bode well for justice for Caylee if people keep getting carried away.

I agree! Mental illness does not play a role in this case.

IIRC, a psychiatric evaluation was done by a court appointed psychiatrist prior to Casey's bond hearing on Tuesday, July 22, 2008. That psychiatric report was sealed, but available to prosecution and defense.

I believe the reason the evaluation was done was to assure the court that if Casey did bond out, the court was not bonding out someone who would be a danger to themselves or others.

If there was anything in that report that even suggested a mental illness, I'm sure JB would be building a case on that very issue. I think the fact that JB hasn't even mentioned the possibility of a mental illness is that he knows there's nothing to support that claim.

In all likelihood, Casey is a sociopath/psychopath, a personality disorder. Personality disorders do not fall under the classification of a mental illness. Mental illnesses are treatable with medication and therapy. Personality disorders are not treatable.

 

[Aedrys]

I agree! Mental illness does not play a role in this case.

IIRC, a psychiatric evaluation was done by a court appointed psychiatrist prior to Casey's bond hearing on Tuesday, July 22, 2008. That psychiatric report was sealed, but available to prosecution and defense.

I believe the reason the evaluation was done was to assure the court that if Casey did bond out, the court was not bonding out someone who would be a danger to themselves or others.

If there was anything in that report that even suggested a mental illness, I'm sure JB would be building a case on that very issue. I think the fact that JB hasn't even mentioned the possibility of a mental illness is that he knows there's nothing to support that claim.

In all likelihood, Casey is a sociopath/psychopath, a personality disorder. Personality disorders do not fall under the classification of a mental illness. Mental illnesses are treatable with medication and therapy. Personality disorders are not treatable.

ITA with your post completely.

Mental illness, if she had it, which I don't believe she did, would not in the slightest excuse what she did. Just because you have a mental illness doesn't mean it's okay to murder a baby. You don't have to have a have a mental illness to hate your mother and be jealous of your own baby.

I swear, why some people want to go so far to take responsibility off of Casey is beyond me. She is where she deserves to be for the choices in life she made, and there was no mental illness that shaped her choices or forced her to do anything. The mental illness thing is a cop out, and this girl has had cop outs her whole life. It's obvious she's not mentally unstable, knew what she doing, and is going to pay the price for it. Trying to hide it under a mental disorder is...well, it's something Cindy would do. After all, Casey is perfect and can do no wrong. Please, gag me.

 

[RR0004]

Oh, I'm having a bad case of deja vu. I remember the talk early on about Casey handing Caylee over to someone, but then not remembering who. This makes my head hurt.