Clinton David Brink, 43 & Cristen Amanda Brink, 41 found on trail - Devil's Den State Park, AR- 26 July, 2025 #3 *Arrest*

[Knox]

I am in education and I think it's important to be aware of the possibility of false accusations but the best way to defend against them is to follow the child protection strategies. By making abuse significantly more difficult/impossible, they protect both the student from abuse and the teacher from false allegations of abuse. You couldn't possibly have touched the child inappropriately in the bathroom if it is demonstrable that you were never in the bathroom with the child.

We use these same strategies working with kids at Church. Down to not changing a diaper in the nursery without two being present.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Random post. You know, looking at AMs last booking photo, I would swear he got clocked right between the eyes with the butt of his own knife. Absolutely JMO. But if he had the knife in an overhand grasp and the father grabbed his hand and pushed back, the mark on his forehead is exactly what I would expect to see with a standard fixed blade knife being pushed backwards. I really have zero idea what weapon was used, I just thought it interesting. He got hit there with something hard.

 

[AngTxGal]

I did some research. Some say it hinders the teacher/student relationship. I think more and more people are used to cameras being around us. If they are worried about them being hacked, why even have them in the hallways at all then. What could possibly be seen in the classroom by the hacker that they couldn’t see in the hallway or cafeteria? Im just not understanding the logic when it appears to me it could help more than it hurts.

I’m with you, in this day and age where many students have cameras on their phones I don’t see it as a big deal
No reason to have audio, just something to be able to play back if there was an accusation.

IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I did some research. Some say it hinders the teacher/student relationship. I think more and more people are used to cameras being around us. If they are worried about them being hacked, why even have them in the hallways at all then. What could possibly be seen in the classroom by the hacker that they couldn’t see in the hallway or cafeteria? Im just not understanding the logic when it appears to me it could help more than it hurts.

As a thought, do you work well with someone staring over your shoulder? I don't. I have a big enough problem with the Spyware on my work computer. Sometimes I write an email and need to rethink it, but every keystroke is recorded so I often handwrite first now. Time waster. So there is one issue, that it could affect the ability of teachers who aren't actors for a TV screen.

Second issue I can see is that yes, you can see Jonny picking his nose, that he hides well from others. Or Genie grabbing a pencil under the table that may or not be hers, or Mary Ellen eating a piece of paper because she needs to chew. How many kids can work under the presence of constant surveillance? What kind of anxiety might that cause?

I can see as much or more harm than good. JMO. I don't Apple Watch either. No one needs to know what I am doing 24/7.

 

[Arkay]

After I was there for maybe 20 years, my school finally installed cameras in the hallways and staircases.

IMO it was a very belated necessity.

NYC schools are overcrowded, and even though all teachers were obligated to step into the hallways during passing, we couldn’t see everything. Middle school students are feeling their oats now that they don’t always travel with the teacher anymore. Particularly 8th graders, and cameras caught sexual activity, fights and other forbidden things in those hallways and staircases.

Also, if God forbid there were to be a school shooting, a fire or something else that was dangerous, the cameras would be crucial for pinpointing location.

I don’t know how private schools work, nor rural schools, but in a NYC PUBLIC school, we are all in public, obviously. No expectation of privacy.

We did not have cameras in the classrooms, but if we had it wouldn’t have bothered me. I was always doing my job, and the principal or assistant principals would often step into classrooms just to observe.

If there had been cameras in this maniac’s classroom, I’m certain that an administrator would have known earlier that something gravely untoward was taking place. Maybe he wouldn’t have been able to keep running away if there were photographic evidence of girls in his lap (UGH).

JMO and JME

 

[AngTxGal]

As a thought, do you work well with someone staring over your shoulder? I don't. I have a big enough problem with the Spyware on my work computer. Sometimes I write an email and need to rethink it, but every keystroke is recorded so I often handwrite first now. Time waster. So there is one issue, that it could affect the ability of teachers who aren't actors for a TV screen.

Second issue I can see is that yes, you can see Jonny picking his nose, that he hides well from others. Or Genie grabbing a pencil under the table that may or not be hers, or Mary Ellen eating a piece of paper because she needs to chew. How many kids can work under the presence of constant surveillance? What kind of anxiety might that cause?

I can see as much or more harm than good. JMO. I don't Apple Watch either. No one needs to know what I am doing 24/7.

The downside I see is expense.
I think in some schools cameras in the classroom may be exactly what some kids need to deter them from behaving as they do.
Some classrooms are just shy of free for alls with zero teaching happening and less than zero learning taking place.

IMO

 

[303gmf]

Alarm bells are great to have. We should be hyper aware of our relationships adults have with our children. Alarm bells are one thing. Witch hunts are another.

Who was hunting witches? A term that should be relegated to history btw!
I have daughters, granddaughters and been a female for over 60 yrs.
Predators then, predators now
I’ll pull my kid or grands out of a school or classroom or anywhere else I get a vibe of creep, and YES I will judge all who interact with children while keeping eyes and ears wide open!
Call it a pejorative “hunt” all you wish but I’ll continue to be loud and stay widely informed and use my judgement and gut feelings.
Yep a fierce pedophile “hunter “
WE ALL SHOULD

 

[AngTxGal]

Random post. You know, looking at AMs last booking photo, I would swear he got clocked right between the eyes with the butt of his own knife. Absolutely JMO. But if he had the knife in an overhand grasp and the father grabbed his hand and pushed back, the mark on his forehead is exactly what I would expect to see with a standard fixed blade knife being pushed backwards. I really have zero idea what weapon was used, I just thought it interesting. He got hit there with something hard.

I hope the two of them got some licks in, and clawed him and scratched and pulled hair.
I’ve told my daughter to literally become a cat if she is ever attacked, gouge eyes and scream and behave like she is completely insane. That is what Dad told us, and I have three sisters.
The thought of them trying to defend themselves from a knife is sickening

IMO

 

[Knox]

Who was hunting witches? A term that should be relegated to history btw!
I have daughters, granddaughters and been a female for over 60 yrs.
Predators then, predators now
I’ll pull my kid or grands out of a school or classroom or anywhere else I get a vibe of creep, and YES I will judge all who interact with children while keeping eyes and ears wide open!
Call it a pejorative “hunt” all you wish but I’ll continue to be loud and stay widely informed and use my judgement and gut feelings.
Yep a fierce pedophile “hunter “
WE ALL SHOULD

As you and we, should all be. No disagreement from me.

However I see the OP’s point also. I can see how a teacher could also be wrongly targeted in certain circumstances. I don’t think the OP was suggesting we not be sensitive to or be on the lookout for behavior that’s inappropriate. JMO.

 

[Cryptic]

How common is it for a guy like AM who is attracted to little girls, to actually date women his own age?

In a past life, I was one assigned to evaluate sex offenders. Fortunately, my jurisdiction did not have a large number to evaluate, so I never gained comprehensive experience before the assignment ended.

Anyways......

I would say that 90% or more of "my guys" were also sexually interested in adult women and were willing to date, or marry them. Again, I don't have comprehensive experience so the 90% may not hold true on a broad average.

Being interested in dating adult women, however, does not mean actually dating them. Some of "my guys" were just too creepy, had strongly negative personalities, or were into uhhmm...."off putting" sex acts etc. to have a lot of adult dating experience. Others, however, were charismatic, intelligent and thus had a lot of adult dating experience.

 

[gremlin444]

The downside I see is expense.
I think in some schools cameras in the classroom may be exactly what some kids need to deter them from behaving as they do.
Some classrooms are just shy of free for alls with zero teaching happening and less than zero learning taking place.

IMO

Some states, like where I am in Illinois, have all party consent laws. I can tell you, based on my experience volunteering at local schools, there would be multiple parents in every classroom who would not sign consent. In my town at the beginning of each school year, we also have to give consent for pictures taken by the school to be used on the website or any publications (or parents at classroom parties who then give the pictures to the teacher to post on their website)--and in every class my kids were in, were at least 2 parents who did not sign that (for various reasons). Obviously it would be for internal use only, but I knew some of those parents personally, and I know they still wouldn't sign consent for permission for a classroom camera. And you couldn't just position the camera so it didn't record the kid in their seat--kids in classrooms are always getting up to talk to the teacher, go get supplies, put something in the trash, etc.

Can Schools Put Cameras in Classrooms? Legal Reality and the Ethical Debate

Picture walking into your child’s classroom and noticing a small black camera mounted in the corner, its red light blinking steadily.

medium.com

Alabama mandates cameras in special ed classrooms, while Georgia’s Landon Dunson Act enables video monitoring in special education classes. Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, and Texas legally permit cameras in certain classroom settings, particularly for protecting vulnerable students.

"Texas generally prohibits recording in spaces with “reasonable expectation of privacy,” though exceptions exist for special education classrooms with parental consent.

Michigan generally prohibits classroom cameras entirely. New Hampshire has stricter laws around hidden surveillance."

The article also talks about the tricky issues surrounding using school video recordings in disciplinary actions in regards to FERPA.

 

[GlassCityRx]

Public?? Missed where I stated such

That what I meant by proper (not public) . Proper like appropriate.

 

[gremlin444]

As to why AM's parents haven't made any media statement:

1) If they have paid any attention to news or social media over the last 3 years, they've seen all the negative attention on Kohberger's parents and sisters even though they did the "right thing" and immediately issued a well worded statement right after he was arrested and again when the plea agreement was made as well as stayed entirely out of the public eye. They made sure to acknowledge the victims', the families', and the friends/community's pain and grief, and did nothing that would detract the focus where it should be---on those groups. And they still got non stop criticism from certain factions for daring to show up at some of their son's court appearances and accusations of not doing anything to help him not become who he did.
2) I don't see why they should "have to." They don't owe the public anything, but they do owe the community and the victim's children and families the ability for those groups to be the sole focus and not detract from it. Obviously, they have been questioned by the police as to any information, and either have already been contacted or will be shortly by their son's public defender.
3) And they still might make a statement...but no one should be expected to say anything when they are still trying to process this.

 

[AngTxGal]

Some states, like where I am in Illinois, have all party consent laws. I can tell you, based on my experience volunteering at local schools, there would be multiple parents in every classroom who would not sign consent. In my town at the beginning of each school year, we also have to give consent for pictures taken by the school to be used on the website or any publications (or parents at classroom parties who then give the pictures to the teacher to post on their website)--and in every class my kids were in, were at least 2 parents who did not sign that (for various reasons). Obviously it would be for internal use only, but I knew some of those parents personally, and I know they still wouldn't sign consent for permission for a classroom camera. And you couldn't just position the camera so it didn't record the kid in their seat--kids in classrooms are always getting up to talk to the teacher, go get supplies, put something in the trash, etc.

Can Schools Put Cameras in Classrooms? Legal Reality and the Ethical Debate

Picture walking into your child’s classroom and noticing a small black camera mounted in the corner, its red light blinking steadily.

medium.com

Alabama mandates cameras in special ed classrooms, while Georgia’s Landon Dunson Act enables video monitoring in special education classes. Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, and Texas legally permit cameras in certain classroom settings, particularly for protecting vulnerable students.

"Texas generally prohibits recording in spaces with “reasonable expectation of privacy,” though exceptions exist for special education classrooms with parental consent.

Michigan generally prohibits classroom cameras entirely. New Hampshire has stricter laws around hidden surveillance."

The article also talks about the tricky issues surrounding using school video recordings in disciplinary actions in regards to FERPA.

Yes, I understand now and see that this would be the case. I’m in Texas.

A classroom is treated as a private space, so cameras in the halls and outside are not the same as in the classroom.
Taking pictures of students isn’t ok and they are not supposed to take pictures of each other.

I’m guessing public and private schools are different.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

As to why AM's parents haven't made any media statement:

1) If they have paid any attention to news or social media over the last 3 years, they've seen all the negative attention on Kohberger's parents and sisters even though they did the "right thing" and immediately issued a well worded statement right after he was arrested and again when the plea agreement was made as well as stayed entirely out of the public eye. They made sure to acknowledge the victims', the families', and the friends/community's pain and grief, and did nothing that would detract the focus where it should be---on those groups. And they still got non stop criticism from certain factions for daring to show up at some of their son's court appearances and accusations of not doing anything to help him not become who he did.
2) I don't see why they should "have to." They don't owe the public anything, but they do owe the community and the victim's children and families the ability for those groups to be the sole focus and not detract from it. Obviously, they have been questioned by the police as to any information, and either have already been contacted or will be shortly by their son's public defender.
3) And they still might make a statement...but no one should be expected to say anything when they are still trying to process this.

I can’t imagine what they are going through.
The public isn’t fair, or kind, or forgiving, they are cruel, make assumptions, lacking any decency and good judgement.

I do not blame them. This young man may have had repeated issues and they thought he had worked things out, grown up, and found his way in life- and then this happens.

The little brother of a guy I dated in high school, whose dad was our middle school principal, was a huge flirt, too cute for his own good. He became some type of teacher/ coach. When we were about 22 or 24 he was arrested for sexual assault of a high school student.
His parents were the sweetest people, I had spent a lot of time around the family and knew them well. To this day I cannot see why he became such a perv. His parents had zero to do with it.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I don’t troll or dm but I do use the grapevine if necessary, chatter and warnings and awareness and suspicion and watchful of kids, young women and old too

It takes a village to protect

It may be a culture thing, because I understand you crystal clear, but can see that others may not.

In the small town where I lived the mom’s grapevine would let your mom know you had acted up at school before you got home. No way to hide it. I know- that happened to me when I got caught trying cigarettes when I was in 7th grade. Mom knew before I had a chance to create a story to wiggle out of it.

IMO

 

[Chimera]

This perp, the murderer of the Brinks, has essentially destroyed his own family.
So did B. Kohberger.
Both families probably thought their sons were busy working and living their lives.
Unless there were glaring red flags....perps can be sneaky and make it look as if everything is fine.
Sometimes families do try to get their kids/teens/young adults help -- professional counseling or even alerting the authorities, yet it's all for naught if the perp in question will not cooperate.
Omo.

 

[Quill]

Not really. What I’m defending are the innocent teachers out there. They are walking on eggshells all the time and ONE’s parents false accusations can destroy a career and possibly even more. All we can do is make sure we report it to the proper authorities.

I know many, many teachers who are wonderfully dedicated and loving souls. However, as I have stated earlier in these threads, I see AT LEAST one "teacher" a month, if not more, arrested and charged with at least possession of child related nasty, illegal stuff that the words are censored on this site. Some have done that and worse. This is a huge problem right now and sorry, but we need to be erring on the side of caution for the children's sakes. There a great many of these predators who have chosen the teaching path because it has gained them instant access to someone's children. No one is saying that all teachers are in this category; that would be ludicrous. I believe that most, if not all, truly educated, dedicated and well-meaning teachers know exactly where the lines are. The ones stepping over them deserve to be duly scrutinized.

 

[OneLove]

I’ve worked at many schools, and observed and evaluated teachers in hundreds in Texas.
...... I would have no issue teaching in a room with a camera.
Some say it is a privacy issue- I don’t bye that.

Same. Teachers in the actual act of teaching are not/should not be entitled to privacy any more than any other on-the-job workers. And students' privacy should be protected by laws and professuonal ethics already on the books.

Btw, it appears we've had very similar career paths. Teacher evaluations were so interesting & often made me wish I was back in the classroom teaching students younger than university level. Now if *only* there were good comprehensive evaluations for school administrators!!! Derelict admins were the initial reason I went back to certify in admin & higher education. This case is gut wrenching for me.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

Knowing that he apparently likes running, I looked on Strava for him. There is a matching name, which may or may not be him, but it's set to private. Are there any other sites for runners where he might have been active?

jmopinion

What about All Trails? Run keeper? Or Map My Run? FITBIT?