GUILTY CO - 1 dead, 8 injured, shots fired at STEM School in Highlands Ranch, 7 May 2019

[PrairieWind]

Just curious, why do you think they may make it worse?

In my experience, these anti-bullying programs first define "bullying." That definition is very specific. So if anything that occurs even slightly falls outside that definition (ie doesn't happen often enough, etc), it isn't bullying, and wont be dealt with in the bullying protocol. These programs are often used to protect the school, not the kids/victims.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Denver high school shooters are revealed to be a young GIRL and an 18-year-old boy: Pair opened fire on their classmates, killing one and injuring eight others

• Shots were fired at STEM School Highlands Ranch at 1.53pm local time Tuesday
• Two shooters, one adult male and one juvenile female, were taken into custody
• One of the shooters has been identified as 18-year-old Devon Erickson
• The student who died was named as 18-year-old Kendrick Castillo
• Eight students, all 15 or older, were hospitalized suffering gunshot wounds

Male and female shooters kill classmate and injure eight at Denver school | Daily Mail Online

This is stunning developments. I saw on Fox this morning the second shooter was a female.

Yet some of the media seem to prematurely assume both were males referring to them as the 'gunMen.'

ID, and OWN having many cases involving female, and male tag teams doing the most horrendous violent crimes imaginable. ID even has a full ongoing series called 'Killer Couples.'

They never seem to run out of new cases, but these shows do enlighten millions who watch them every single day, and they make millions very aware when some may have not been aware prior to watching.

Iirc, one of the very first recorded mass shootings at a school was carried out by a lone teen female, and her targets were of elementary school children iirc.

Imo

 

[PrairieWind]

I think the male/female confusion apparently arises from the fact that younger of the two was a female transitioning to male and was identifying as male (I think).

 

[Indy Anna]

It’s an easy excuse. But truth is most of us were probably bullied at some point yet somehow muddled our way to productive adulthood. And few if any of us found it necessary to gun down a roomful of peers in the process.

I think bullying is horrible and leaves long-term emotional scars but IMO no way does it mitigate let alone justify killing someone. These kids are old enough to be fully accountable for their crimes . I have zero pity for either of them.

I agree. I was bullied throughout school because of a disability, and my parents kept a gun at home. But, I never ever thought of taking the gun to school to harm anyone. I knew other kids in school who were bullied because they were different, but they never did anything like this either.

ETA: I hate it when "bullying" is used to make a monster into a victim.

 

[x_files]

Each school shooting perpetuates the next. You have a grievance, you shoot up a school.

This isn’t going to stop.

It's not, teens gain infamy press coverage, love letters in jail and a Wikipedia page, but their victims do not. The media has to find a better way to report without glamorizing them.

 

[x_files]

I started teaching school in 1985. Columbine was a "Wake Up Call" for everyone, in 1999. Things have not improved.

The biggest mistake is how the media turned them (accidentally) into martyrs/heroes like Natural Born Killers, that movie was a warning that no one heeded. Since then they are held as folk heroes. Everyone that feels alienated, bullied and a misfit holds them as heroes.

 

[x_files]

Parents need to be put in jail along with their kids who do these shootings.

In some cases, I agree. Adam Lanza if she survived yes. She knew he had mental disorders/issues, was severely antisocial, and yet bought him guns and trained with him why? Did she think he needed to protect himself? or did she condone his revenge fantasy?

 

[Gardenista]

In some cases, I agree. Adam Lanza if she survived yes. She knew he had mental disorders/issues, was severely antisocial, and yet bought him guns and trained with him why? Did she think he needed to protect himself? or did she condone his revenge fantasy?

Columbine parents should have been jailed for life too.

 

[Colorado303]

In my experience, these anti-bullying programs first define "bullying." That definition is very specific. So if anything that occurs even slightly falls outside that definition (ie doesn't happen often enough, etc), it isn't bullying, and wont be dealt with in the bullying protocol. These programs are often used to protect the school, not the kids/victims.

Thank you for explaining. I don’t have kids and all I’ve heard is warm fuzzy stuff about these programs but what you say makes sense. So I can be as mean as I want to someone and it’s fine as long as I don’t do it too often? That’s comforting (Not!).

 

[x_files]

The account seems so "teen-like" filled with him performing. So sad.

He wanted to be famous but didn't want to work hard for it. It's easier to pull a trigger and become infamous in less than 10 minutes now, and teens are well aware of it.

 

[x_files]

Columbine parents should have been jailed for life too.

Were they aware? If so then yes...

 

[x_files]

Seems like shooters have always are bullied in some way. Let's put the bullies's parents in jail too. IMO, this won't stop until the parents are made accountable.

I think it's fair to say everyone gets bullied in school at one time or another, kids are cruel, but it's not an excuse to shoot up an entire school.

 

[Colorado303]

This is stunning developments. I saw on Fox this morning the second shooter was a female.

Yet some of the media seem to prematurely assume both were males referring to them as the 'gunMen.'

ID, and OWN having many cases involving female, and male tag teams doing the most horrendous violent crimes imaginable. ID even has a full ongoing series called 'Killer Couples.'

They never seem to run out of new cases, but these shows do enlighten millions who watch them every single day, and they make millions very aware when some may have not been aware prior to watching.

Iirc, one of the very first recorded mass shootings at a school was carried out by a lone teen female, and her targets were of elementary school children iirc.

Imo

Yep. Laurie Dann was the shooter. 30 years later and I still remember her name. Happened in Winnetka IL in 1988. It’s a very upscale “North Shore” Chicago suburb. Virtually zero crime rate. She wasn’t a student — rather an adult that wandered into a 2nd grade class (IIRC) and just started shooting. I grew up near there (in a not-so-ritzy suburb) and everyone was absolutely stunned.

Laurie Dann: Timeline of 1988 fires, Winnetka school shooting, standoff

 

[Colorado303]

I think the male/female confusion apparently arises from the fact that younger of the two was a female transitioning to male and was identifying as male (I think).

LE said they didn’t realize the second suspect was a female until their interrogation. I don’t know if a strip search (or just undressing while being watched) would have happened yet or not but I can imagine the suspect volunteering gender info if LE hadn’t figured it out yet. I would think a pre-surgery female-to-male transexual youth might well speak up to avoid male prison. I can’t imagine either would be pleasant but placement in male general population IMO would be downright dangerous.

 

[Breezie]

Agree regarding the bullies parents. Too many of them are bullies themselves, and we’ve seen them relentlessly pummel complete strangers online protected by internet anonymity. IMO THEY are the root of the problem.

This father was described as a bully. He might be the only parent who has gone to jail after one of these tragic events.

Jaylen Fryberg: From homecoming prince to school killer - CNN

Father of Marysville shooter sentenced to 2 years for illegal gun possession

Raymond Lee Fryberg Jr. was sentenced to two years in prison Monday for illegally purchasing and possessing six guns, including a pistol his son used to kill four classmates, wound a fifth and then kill himself at Marysville-Pilchuck High School in 2014.

Fryberg, 42, remained defiant in his belief that he did not know he was breaking the law, although U.S. District Judge James Robart said he didn’t believe it, and a jury had convicted him of six felonies.

But Fryberg also publicly apologized for the first time for the actions of his eldest son, 15-year-old Jaylen, and acknowledged the killings had broken him and divided the Tulalip Tribes, where prosecutors said many members — including some of Fryberg’s own kin — consider him an arrogant, violent bully.

 

[Breezie]

The Latest: School security guard detained 1 suspect

The armed security guard who apprehended one of two students accused in the suburban Denver school shooting was employed by a security company started by a SWAT team leader who responded to the 1999 Columbine High School shooting.

The company's owner, Grant Whitus, told The Associated Press the security guard is a former Marine who was on duty inside the STEM School Highlands Ranch when the emergency call went out on Tuesday.

 

[Breezie]

How future Marine student and friend tackled down Denver high school shooter | Daily Mail Online

An aspiring Marine student and his friends are being hailed as heroes for tackling one of the two shooters that stormed their Colorado high school classroom - costing one of the brave students their life.

Brendan Bialy, a senior at STEM School Highlands Ranch in Denver who wants to join the Marine Corps, jumped into action along with two friends when one of the shooters - revealed as Devon Erickson, 18, and an unidentified juvenile female - pulled a gun on Tuesday afternoon.

 

[Breezie]

Columbine parents should have been jailed for life too.

Columbine Shooter's Mom Gave A Chilling Account Of Discovering Her Son's Massacre 15 Years Ago Today

After such tragedies, people struggle to contemplate why a young person could do something so horrific, and it's natural they would look to the shooter's parents for answers. But in The New York Times, Solomon wrote of his inability to understand why Columbine happened even after interviewing the Klebolds a number of times over eight years. Here's what he wrote:

I began convinced that if I dug deeply enough into their character, I would understand why Columbine happened — that I would recognize damage in their household that spilled over into catastrophe. Instead, I came to view the Klebolds not only as inculpable, but as admirable, moral, intelligent and kind people whom I would gladly have had as parents myself.

 

[K_Z]

This has to be a new record for the corporate/ mainstream media. In less than 24 hours from a major school shooting, the story has been “disappeared” from EVERY corporate/ mainstream media online platform.

Yes, one can still search for info on the situation, but it has been thoroughly erased already as a top story.

And we all know exactly WHY that is, even though we are not supposed to think or speak about it.

The perpetrators in this heinous shooting don’t fit the preferred socio/ political profile for being villainized. Like Snochia Moseley (remember her-- the transgender Rite Aid rampage shooter), and Jen and Sarah Hart (gay white women who adopted, abused, and killed 6 black children), we cannot *openly* discuss the personal situations and motive of the STEM Highland shooters, because they self identify as “protected” victims because of their sexual identity. And their expressed political views on social media don't fit the category that media prefers to vilify.

The more charitable news agencies would rationalize that we cannot give oxygen and notoriety to the shooters (or the story) for fear of motivating copycat crimes. So they rationalize that it’s best minimized and suppressed, out of “respect” for the victims, and "safety" from copycats.

But really what they are really doing is “respecting” the perpetrators, IMO, because in giving them “privacy” they are disrespecting the truth of exactly who the perpetrators are, and the truth of the actual dead, bleeding, hospitalized victims. In being “charitable” toward the privacy of the perpetrators, media gets to insinuate the perpetrators as victims who “snapped” because they were “bullied” over their sexual identity. And now the bleeding victims are painted as the perpetrators.

In this case, the 2 perpetrators are both students (the most common school shooters), and both are unhurt and still alive. So they get lots and lots of “privacy” from the media.

Who are the victims? Who are the perpetrators? It seems the best course of action for the media is to suppress and muddy that picture as much as possible, unless the preferred perpetrator is wearing a red hat and can be politically vilified and shredded wall to wall on the 24 hour news cycle.

We can’t really have the truth either way. Heads I win, tails you lose. So the story disappears. But the truth doesn’t. This school shooting will be completely forgotten in mere days, except for the people affected in Colorado.

And the media becomes less and less trustworthy every minute. There is no truth in journalism any more-- only spin, if there is any reporting at all.

 

[Gardenista]

Josh Dutton, 18, told The Associated Press that he was close friends with Devon Erickson in middle school but hadn't seen him for four years as he went to a different high school. On Sunday, he spotted Erickson at a local light rail station and said he was shocked at how much his friend had changed.

Erickson wore all black, a hat and sunglasses, was significantly skinnier and didn't seem interested in talking. "He said he'd just turned 18 and he owned rifles," Dutton said.

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