CO - 3 killed in shootout near/at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, 27 Nov 2015 *Arrest*

[Forager]

Well, margarita25, imo Robert Lewis Dear, is an anomaly, and is no stranger to the game of the murder of unsuspecting innocent victims for many reasons. Imo, at the age of 57 he didn't just wake up one day and decide to go to the Planned Parenthood facility with an arsenal of weapons, IEDs, and ammunition and unleash terror on random victims, Law Enforcement, and the entire Colorado Springs community and beyond. Imo, a very dark and bleak portrait of his past is beginning to emerge and it would be logical to conclude that he is likely involved in some, if not many of the unsolved murders and shooting incidents in Colorado.

Mass murderers, unlike serial killers, kill a large number of people, typically at the same time... . < snipped, from a long good post, for focus >
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Thank you for that careful, helpful post, and forgive me for honing in on such a small slice of it. This year, here have been a lot of unsolved, seemingly "random" shootings (victim and shooter not knowning one another) within a couple of hours drive from Dear's home. Dear might indeed be good for some. They are itimized in a case map that we've been using in the CO - Possible Serial Shooter thread. You and others have listed some in making the same point up thread. The most likely ones, it seems to me, are: the Glenn Martin campsite shooting in Pikes Nat'l Forest; the cycle passenger shot in the back in the Garden of the Gods (particularly contemptable and in line with my image of Dear); a recent series of three pedestrian shootings in Denver and Aurora; a recent series of three attacks against school and health facility buildings well north of Denver; and nine or so clear gun attacks on motorists south of Denver.

Do we have any indication of what Dear was driving? Several accounts of the other ramdom shootings have involved white SUV's. Police are looking for an older black Cadillac in connection with another.

Do we have any indication of what Dear did with his time or where his income came from? All I've heard about were past jobs back East. Is there any indication that he might have been trying to peddle his prints in the up scale communities north of Denver?

 

[Forager]

I couldn't agree more with this Denver Post editorial.

Robert Dear Jr. case should be open to public scrutiny
Arrest records should not be sealed until case is terminated
By The Denver Post Editorial Board

"With the spate of horrible shooting tragedies in Colorado in recent years, authorities have learned many lessons about how to respond effectively.

Unfortunately, they've also learned some strategies that are less admirable &#8212; including keeping the public in the dark.

A judge's order on Monday sealed almost all information about the state's case against Robert Dear Jr., the man accused in the shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood office.

Meanwhile, police won't give a timeline of events or even say what kinds of weapons were used to kill three people, including a police officer."

[I've snipped the rest, but it's interesting. Goes into detail about how the information gets held up, and how the information moved in the James Holmes Aurora shootings case. The public, the rest of the LE community, and our elected officials all have an important interest in understanding this growing threat of rampage killings, and it's not like the case against Dear is shakey.]

 

[Treelights]

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...er-To-Be-Held-Friday-Afternoon-360557951.html

"Funeral And Procession For Fallen Police Officer To Be Held Friday Afternoon."

 

[i.b.nora]

This is an interesting article I read the other day that I don't think got posted here. The Post and Courier is generally a very good South Carolina newspaper. The article somewhat clarifies for me who the ex-wives are and which child was with which wife. It is a little complicated to say the least.

Accused Planned Parenthood shooter charged with rape in North Charleston in 1992
The Post and Courier
By Glenn Smith and Melissa Boughton
Nov 30 2015 5:57 pm Nov 30 9:16 pm

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20151130/PC16/151139933

 

[Treelights]

Here is a link to an article and video from krdo.com about Samantha Wagner, one of the survivors of the shooting.

http://www.krdo.com/news/husband-of-black-friday-victim-shooting-speaks-out/36847498

Samantha, I wish you a speedy recovery!

 

[Elley Mae]

Someone has come forward and said that Dear asked for directions to planned parenthood.

 

[Treelights]

"Shooting Suspect Reportedly Asked Directions To Planned Parenthood."

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Shooting-Suspect-Asked-Directions-to-Clinic-360889491.html

 

[Treelights]

http://www.koaa.com/story/30702668/planned-parenthood-suspect-due-back-in-court

"Planned Parenthood suspect due back in court."

 

[angelainwi]

Does anyone know what time the hearing starts Central Time?

 

[angelainwi]

Accused Planned Parenthood shooter: "I am guilty there will be no trial. I am a warrior for the babies" outbursts in court.

 

[angelainwi]

He made 17 outbursts

 

[bluesneakers]

He made 17 outbursts

Among them:

He went on, "I'm not going to agree to mental health evaluations so they can't put me on psychotropic drugs so I can't talk like the Batman guy."
...
Dear told the the judge, "Planned Parenthood and my lawyer are in cahoots because they don't want the truth out."
...
Dear shouted out "Protect the babies!"

During the proceedings, the judge issued a gag order for law enforcement and the parties involved. As the judge and attorneys were discussing who was included in the gag order, Dear interrupted.

"The babies that were supposed to be aborted that day, could you add them to that list?" he said.

More:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29223430/da-file-formal-charges-against-accused-planned-parenthood

 

[Montjoy]

He's clearly deranged. I think we got off easy with the death toll, even as bad as it was.

 

[CARIIS]

I am glad he obviously since being incarcated , refused meds. They drug Hommes to dealth - that happens a LOT. It is great he was not lucid, no trial hopefully. Place him in an instition where he belongs he is sick - born that way - imo nothing more and nothing less - just like cancer identical except its neurotransmitters instead of cells IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I am glad he obviously since being incarcated , refused meds. They drug Hommes to dealth - that happens a LOT. It is great he was not lucid, no trial hopefully. Place him in an instition where he belongs he is sick - born that way - imo nothing more and nothing less - just like cancer identical except its neurotransmitters instead of cells IMO

If there's no trial and he's put in an institution won't he have to take medications and be treated?

 

[CARIIS]

If there's no trial and he's put in an institution won't he have to take medications and be treated?

IIRC the only way they force meds is he repeadily becomes violent in whatever setting he is placed in. Bot would know a lot more - but I do know it is a huge legal ordeal to do it , as it should be. But after today it just got easier

here is the whole deal
[video=youtube;DIpDTCHyTuI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIpDTCHyTuI[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

He's clearly deranged. I think we got off easy with the death toll, even as bad as it was.

think we got off easy with the death toll, even as bad as it was.​

I agree he was not oriented..........

 

[CARIIS]

ohhhh the trial goes on even if one says they did ---that makes sense ! ll things consodered he surrendered with him on video doing it , yelled out i did it in court

what a waste of money and time IMO

 

[CARIIS]

o/t

do you guys think mayor of chicago knew nothing? If a am apogizing to you for something but I am reading it off pages ......................on the other hand it is thrilling that LE had better shape up and quit abusing their power

we are gonna need more jail space for all the guys that are going to be locked up for the rest of their hours

it appears as if theyare starting a series of video releases of cops gone wrong this week and from what they are saying the release party might go on for quite some time

 

[CARIIS]

o/t

Sorry guys --just to rich not to share! Same day same page!!

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