TX - Shooter kills 2, injures 14, at The Party Venue, Greenville, 27 Oct 2019

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I hate to speculate, but hearing that the witnesses are not fully cooperating with identifying the shooter it makes me wonder if the shooting was possibly gang related.
moo
 
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I made the mistake of looking on twitter for hashtag twerkortreat. :eek::oops::eek:
 
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A handgun in a mass shooting is a bit unusual for me. JMO.
The majority of what the media consider mass shootings are committed using handguns, the media just doesn't cover them like the ones committed using rifles. Until Vegas and Orlando happened the deadliest mass shooting was committed using handguns. And from 1991 until the VA tech shooting, the deadliest one was also committed using handguns.

Like @cody22 said most handgun magazines are 13-17 rounds and then you have to take into account the shooter may have had an extended magazine. You can get all the way up to a 50 round drum for a Glock.
 
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The more that comes out about this crime, it’s becoming more obvious that this wasn’t your typical “mass shooting” that we’ve unfortunately become used to in the US.

- not a school-sanctioned event (which would be more likely to be targeted by a loner psychopath looking to inflict mass carnage), but rather a semi-private party held in a fairly rough area

- shooter apparently just used one 9mm handgun, as opposed to the mass shooters who typically come armed with multiple weapons, or at the very least a semi-auto rifle with plenty of extra ammo

- initial victim appeared to be targeted

- shooter then appeared to empty the clip on those unlucky enough to be nearby, then fired off whatever small amount of ammo he had on him, and then fled the scene within just a few minutes of starting to shoot

- Sheriff is quoted as saying that no witnesses are cooperating or willing to give a description. He says he can’t believe nobody saw a thing. No one wants to snitch for fear of retribution.

Knowing what I do about A&M Commerce (not to be confused with Texas A&M University in College Station) and the area around Commerce from acquaintances who went there, it is DEFINITELY not the nicest school or area to be in Texas. Gangs are absolutely a problem there, whereas most major universities don’t have that issue to deal with).

There is a strong chance that this “mass shooting” was nothing more than your average gang-related or possibly personal beef killing with some collateral damage.

It doesn’t mean that those who died and were shot had lives that were any less precious than the rest of ours. It’s still tragic. But this one looks like it belongs in the “gang” epidemic instead of the “mass shooting” one.
 
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From the above link:

“(CNN) — A manhunt is on for a gunman who opened fire at an off-campus homecoming party near Greenville, Texas, killing two people and sending 14 more to area hospitals, police said Sunday.
Efforts to find the shooter are being complicated, however, by witnesses' reticence, Hunt County Sheriff Randy Meeks told reporters.
"It appalls me that, as many folks that were there, (they) have not been able to give us a better description of this shooter," the sheriff said. "Due to the many different descriptions being provided by those in attendance at that party, we unfortunately do not have any solid suspect information to provide at this time."”

ETA:
*I’ve said many times recently in other shooting threads that one of these days the shooter will want to live and will not kill himself or be neutralized, that will get away and then there will be a huge manhunt.

ETA2: Catching up, this incident may vary from other mass shootings, waiting for more information to come out, is this gang related, etc.
 
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Speculation
750 people - packed “thick”
Lot of noise - loud music and DJ
Distraction of twerking
Alcohol
Low light - very dark inside

Contributed to shooter identification?

MOO
 
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The more that comes out about this crime, it’s becoming more obvious that this wasn’t your typical “mass shooting” that we’ve unfortunately become used to in the US.

- not a school-sanctioned event (which would be more likely to be targeted by a loner psychopath looking to inflict mass carnage), but rather a semi-private party held in a fairly rough area

- shooter apparently just used one 9mm handgun, as opposed to the mass shooters who typically come armed with multiple weapons, or at the very least a semi-auto rifle with plenty of extra ammo

- initial victim appeared to be targeted

- shooter then appeared to empty the clip on those unlucky enough to be nearby, then fired off whatever small amount of ammo he had on him, and then fled the scene within just a few minutes of starting to shoot

- Sheriff is quoted as saying that no witnesses are cooperating or willing to give a description. He says he can’t believe nobody saw a thing. No one wants to snitch for fear of retribution.

Knowing what I do about A&M Commerce (not to be confused with Texas A&M University in College Station) and the area around Commerce from acquaintances who went there, it is DEFINITELY not the nicest school or area to be in Texas. Gangs are absolutely a problem there, whereas most major universities don’t have that issue to deal with).

There is a strong chance that this “mass shooting” was nothing more than your average gang-related or possibly personal beef killing with some collateral damage.

It doesn’t mean that those who died and were shot had lives that were any less precious than the rest of ours. It’s still tragic. But this one looks like it belongs in the “gang” epidemic instead of the “mass shooting” one.

I feel the same. :(
 
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Shots Fired at Dallas Vigil for Victim of Greenville Shooting

Once it was safe, we looked for anyone who was hurt. We did not find anyone with injuries. My photographer and I are not hurt. The shooting happened as the vigil was wrapping up. More than one gunman involved, from what I can tell.

An NBC 5 news vehicle was struck at least three times.
 
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Twitter


Matt Howerton
@HowertonNews
***BREAKING***

"Following Kevin Berry’s vigil, a shootout happened in the parking lot of St. Augustine Park.

Everyone scattered. My photographer and I headed for the trees and took cover.

I took video once I got safe. We heard DOZENS of gunshots."

Above link Contains video with 8 gunshots in parking lot after the vigil.
 
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The more that comes out about this crime, it’s becoming more obvious that this wasn’t your typical “mass shooting” that we’ve unfortunately become used to in the US.

- not a school-sanctioned event (which would be more likely to be targeted by a loner psychopath looking to inflict mass carnage), but rather a semi-private party held in a fairly rough area

- shooter apparently just used one 9mm handgun, as opposed to the mass shooters who typically come armed with multiple weapons, or at the very least a semi-auto rifle with plenty of extra ammo

- initial victim appeared to be targeted

- shooter then appeared to empty the clip on those unlucky enough to be nearby, then fired off whatever small amount of ammo he had on him, and then fled the scene within just a few minutes of starting to shoot

- Sheriff is quoted as saying that no witnesses are cooperating or willing to give a description. He says he can’t believe nobody saw a thing. No one wants to snitch for fear of retribution.

Knowing what I do about A&M Commerce (not to be confused with Texas A&M University in College Station) and the area around Commerce from acquaintances who went there, it is DEFINITELY not the nicest school or area to be in Texas. Gangs are absolutely a problem there, whereas most major universities don’t have that issue to deal with).

There is a strong chance that this “mass shooting” was nothing more than your average gang-related or possibly personal beef killing with some collateral damage.

It doesn’t mean that those who died and were shot had lives that were any less precious than the rest of ours. It’s still tragic. But this one looks like it belongs in the “gang” epidemic instead of the “mass shooting” one.
Won't surprise me at all to learn this was gang related nor will it surprise me that the victim that's been identified was the target. He's posted on his Facebook on October 17th about being shot at and now his vigil has been shot up?
 
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Attention - There has been an arrest....23 year old Brandon Ray Gonzales of Commerce, Texas.....moo
 
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Texas A&M shooting: Suspected gunman arrested after 2 killed during ho

A judge arraigned Gonzalez on Monday and set his bond at $1 million, Meeks said.

Texas A&M shooting: Suspected gunman arrested after 2 killed during homecoming party

Update 4:30 p.m. EDT Oct. 28: Hunt County Sheriff Randy Meeks said authorities arrested a 23-year-old man early Monday on suspicion of murder in connection to Sunday's early morning shooting.

Deputies said that as of Monday, they had yet to recover the weapon used in the shooting

Suspect Arrested in Greenville Shooting That Killed 2, Injured 12

Brandon Ray Gonzalez, 23, is accused of opening fire at an off-campus college party in North Texas, leaving two people dead and 12 others injured. A motive for the shooting has not been revealed.

Gonzalez was arrested Monday and charged with capital murder of multiple persons and ordered held on $1 million bond. Meeks said Gonzalez worked for a local auto dealer as a mechanic and was taken into custody when he showed up to work Monday morning.

Suspect in custody in Greenville shooting that killed 2, injured 6

The sheriff’s office identified the two victims fatally shot as 23-year-old Kevin Berry Jr. of Dallas and Byron Craven, also 23, of Arlington.
 

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