GUILTY CO - Angela Craig, 43, mother of 6, allegedly poisoned by cyanide in protein shake by dentist husband, Aurora, Mar 2023 @2

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26 minutes ago

Defense finishes closing argument​

Madeline Rhodes
The defense has finished its closing argument.
32 minutes ago

Defense: This case is not about whether you like him​

Madeline Rhodes
This case is not about speculation, assumptions and it’s not about sympathy. Defense said sadness needs to be left aside, and while this is a tragic case, it’s not about that, and it’s not about whether people like James.

“It is not about if you like him, because my goodness, really?”

Defense said James needs to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and it’s not a vague, speculative doubt.

Defense said James made bad decisions in jail out of desperation. While the prosecution thinks this is an admission of guilt, the defense said he was scared.
an hour ago

Defense said investigation was flawed​

Madeline Rhodes
Defense said a doctor, who was a witness, was given information by police and made presumptions and speculation while determining the manner of Angela’s death was homicide.

Defense said there were “blinders” on the investigation. They said no one knows who put the tetrahydrozoline in her cup and no one knows if it was voluntarily or involuntarily ingested and how or when it was ingested.

“You don’t get to guess in this,” said the defense.

They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt how and when this happened. Defense said it’s not as simple as the prosecution would like it to be.
an hour ago

Defense said Angela was heartbroken​

Madeline Rhodes
Defense brought up Angela’s journal, where they say James broke her heart after around 20 years of cheating.

Defense read her journal in 2008, where Angela wrote that she was depressed and felt worthless. In 2018, Angela’s journal said it almost killed her when James said he didn’t love her and that she wasn’t enough.

Defense said his infidelity was the toll.

The court has heard that she was private, isolated, angry and didn’t share the issues that were going on in her marriage, according to the defense.
an hour ago

'Broken' marriage and investigation​

Madeline Rhodes
Defense is arguing that this case is about broken people, a broken marriage and a broken investigation.

Defense said they had a broken marriage. There was cheating and games. They were married for 23 years, and in those years, it was difficult, but there was caring and love in the relationship. Defense said you can see the love in the hours and hours of videos in the home. There was love, kindness and affection.

Defense said there was no financial motive. The couple owned a million-dollar home outright. They weren’t late on bills. The insurance policy was already in place, and they both had one for each other.

Defense said the prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that “this guy was a pretty crappy husband.” He wasn’t fateful and dishonest. But the defense said this isn’t a motive, and the cheating right before Angela’s death wasn’t anything new.
2 hours ago

Defense begins​

Madeline Rhodes
Defense is beginning its closing arguments.


Although I am grateful for the reporting provided by Madeline Rhodes, it makes me miss Nate Eaton's reporting that seems a lot more fluid and by the minute.
 
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CLXXII. James Craig Trial — “FIGHT FOR HER LIFE”

Angela Craig didn’t want to die.

She fought to get better. She fought to get back to her 6 kids.

While she was researching symptoms, texting family, crawling across the kitchen floor—

James Craig was texting his mistress and Googling how to poison her.



CLXXIII. James Craig Trial — “SICK AND SUSPICIOUS”

March 6. Dr. Piko said it: a healthy 43-year-old doesn’t collapse like this.

Angela was scared. She knew something was wrong.

She texted Craig: “You made it look like I’m doing this to myself.”

That’s not suicide. That’s suspicion. That’s fear.



CLXXIV. James Craig Trial — “FIGHTING TO STAY ALIVE”

March 8. Angela collapsed again.

She was found on the floor, then hospitalized—texting her daughter from the ER.

March 15. Her final Google search: “Emergency room – Centennial.”

She made that search while on the way to die.



CLXXV. James Craig Trial — “WHILE SHE DIED, HE TEXTED”

As Angela lay dying, James Craig was:

• Texting Karen Kane

• Taking photos outside the hospital

• Writing his manifesto

• Preparing to blame Angela

He even told staff her last words were about arm pain—just to delay the alarm bells.



CLXXVI. James Craig Trial — “JOURNALS OF A MARRIAGE”

Angela’s 2009 and 2018 journals described the damage James had caused.

In one entry: “You are more important than my day.”

She was still trying to save the marriage—while arsenic was on its way.



CLXXVII. James Craig Trial — “SPIRIT UNBROKEN”

Angela Craig was not broken.

She showed strength. She protected her kids. She stayed hopeful.

Brackley: “He never broke her spirit to live.

He only broke her body.”

That’s not resilience lost. That’s resilience betrayed.



CLXXVIII. James Craig Trial — “ONLY ONE MOTIVE”

Why not divorce? Because he said so.

“He couldn’t afford it.”

Divorce meant financial exposure. It meant consequences.

Murder was his way out—clean, he thought.

But his texts, his searches, and his own words betray him.



CLXXIX. James Craig Trial — “TIMELINE TO KILL”

Brackley outlines the countdown:

• Feb 27: Craig starts poison research

• March 1: Orders arsenic

• March 6: Angela poisoned

• March 8: Orders cyanide and Visine

• March 14: Blends final smoothie

• March 15: She dies

• March 17: Karen Kane arrives

He planned it. Step by step.



CLXXX. James Craig Trial — “NO THEORY — JUST MURDER”

Brackley closes:

“This isn’t about perception.

This isn’t about suicide.

This is about murder.”

Angela Craig died because of what he did.

With motive. With method. With intent.

Verdict is now in your hands.
 
  • #163
I’m guessing they’ll be back with a guilty verdict in 2 hours tops. I’ll probably lose all faith in both humanity and the justice system if they don’t.
 
  • #164
I’m guessing they’ll be back with a guilty verdict in 2 hours tops. I’ll probably lose all faith in both humanity and the justice system if they don’t.
What you said.

ETA: Since there are seven counts, and it is lunch time, I will guess three hours of deliberation. (Though, considering how bad rush hour is in Denver, maybe they will be motivated to get out of court earlier.)
 
  • #165
What you said.

ETA: Since there are seven counts, and it is lunch time, I will guess three hours of deliberation. (Though, considering how bad rush hour is in Denver, maybe they will be motivated to get out of court earlier.)
They can eliminate the new count 7 straight off the bat, that's going to be the only ng verdict read out in a few hours time. Guilty on the other six! Jmo
 
  • #166
So weird….I just happened to put on CourtTV and they were showing parts of the prosecutions and defense closings. So was this streamed somewhere?
 
  • #167
I'm guessing they return with a verdict by days' end or after minimal additional deliberations in the morning. MOO this jury will return w Guilty verdicts well before lunchtime tomorrow.

My thoughts are with Angela's loved ones as they await that verdict, I imagine it will seem endless that wait despite my opinion it will be a relatively quick and favorable verdict.
 
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Defense, "It doesn't matter if you like him". LOL. Best ever closing argument. Not!
 
  • #171
DBM
 
  • #172
So weird….I just happened to put on CourtTV and they were showing parts of the prosecutions and defense closings. So was this streamed somewhere?

All I can think is Closing Argument was not live but stream delayed because I checked Court TV when I couldn't find it live locally, and they did not have it live either!

I'm hoping Scott Reisch/Crime Talk will also have it on YouTube soon as-- he did Opening Statements.

Here's 26 minutes of Closing Argument by Court TV:

 
  • #173
Defense, "It doesn't matter if you like him". LOL. Best ever closing argument. Not!
really what else do they have to go with? Calculated gambit, "you can dislike my client, aw shucks, even I don't like him very much, he's horrible, a very bad husband, a cheater and a liar, etc."

hoping to make to jury doubt their own judgment - am I voting him guilty because evidence or am I voting him guilty because - jerk?
 
  • #174
All I can think is Closing Argument was not live but stream delayed because I checked Court TV when I couldn't find it live locally, and they did not have it live either!

I'm hoping Scott Reisch/Crime Talk will also have it on YouTube soon as-- he did Opening Statements.

Here's 26 minutes of closing by Court TV:

If I remember right that was the ruling on whether the trial could be streamed. No stream of trial but opening and closings could be videoed and shared with the public
 
  • #175
If I remember right that was the ruling on whether the trial could be streamed. No stream of trial but opening and closings could be videoed and shared with the public

The EMC Order was Opening, Closing, and Jury Verdict were allowed live streamed by media for public viewing. Must have been a problem with their pooling partner since only one camera is allowed inside the courtroom, and they share/feed to others. JMO
 
  • #176
Those poor children….losing their mother and sitting in court for their father’s trial of her murder….

Inside court Tuesday, three of Craig’s children attended the trial and sat on the prosecution’s side of the room. James Craig was seen getting emotional and wiping away tears several times during the closing arguments.

 
  • #177
Those poor children….losing their mother and sitting in court for their father’s trial of her murder….

Inside court Tuesday, three of Craig’s children attended the trial and sat on the prosecution’s side of the room. James Craig was seen getting emotional and wiping away tears several times during the closing arguments.

What kind of person kills the mother of his SIX children and then tries to manipulate one of said children into committing a crime that will help him escape justice? The same kind of person who will use his wife’s own siblings to do his bidding.

The sickest kind. The lowest of the low.
 
  • #178

“This case is really about broken people, broken marriage, broken perceptions, broken investigation,” Moses said.

The closing arguments and jury deliberations come over two years after the death of Angela Craig on March 18, 2023. The 43-year-old mother of six had been hospitalized three times over 10 days for symptoms including severe headaches, dizziness and vomiting.


An autopsy report shows Angela had “lethal concentrations of cyanide” and tetrahydrozoline, an ingredient in eyedrops, in her system when she died. Arsenic poisoning was listed as a “significant condition” related to her death.

[..]

Prosecutors called 48 witnesses over the past two weeks as they sought to prove Craig poisoned his wife’s protein shakes, gave her prescription capsules he had emptied and refilled with cyanide, and injected her with a poisonous substance using a syringe.

[..]

Two of Craig’s daughters took the stand for the prosecution during the trial. One testified that he asked her to make it seem like her mother wanted him to order the poisonous ingredients.

Craig gave step-by-step instructions in a letter for how to create a deepfake video of his wife, the daughter testified. Deepfakes are inauthentic images, videos or audio recordings created by artificial intelligence that appear real but have been digitally manipulated, or faked.

Another daughter testified that Craig did not want an autopsy conducted on her mother. She also said that while her mother struggled “like anyone else,” she wouldn’t have taken her own life. “We were making plans,” the 21-year-old woman said.

[..]

In closing arguments, Moses, the defense attorney, said investigators had “blinders” on and did not look at all the evidence closely enough.

“We ask that you look at the evidence that they have provided you, and look at the evidence that they have not provided you, and we ask that you find him not guilty,” Moses said.
 
  • #179
Denver7 reporter Colette Bordelon was in court Tuesday and we are summarizing the eleventh day of the trial in this story.

Prosecutors say James Craig was a "man on a mission"​

Prosecutors began closing arguments in the trial against James Craig Tuesday morning by showing a black and white picture of Angela Craig on the exhibit screen, with prosecutor Michael Mauro declaring, "Angela Craig is innocent. She had no part in her death. And the only person who says otherwise, is this man."

Mauro said throughout the trial, witnesses for the People have unraveled three different false narratives offered by the suspect: That Angela Craig's death was intentional suicide, that it was a "game of chicken," and that Angela Craig wanted to set her husband up in her death.

Mauro argued James Craig knew the "the jig is up" when his former business partner confronted him about purchasing cyanide, when the family was sealed by investigators, and he knew that law enforcement might find the Clindamycin or the syringe in the hospital — "so he writes the timeline, not knowing what we'll find and what he'll have to explain," the prosecutor said.

Regarding James Craig's "game of chicken" defense, Mauro said that's what he hold his former business partner and his wife, "and then it's said again in the letter to his daughter from jail: Angela Craig didn't meant to kill herself."

Mauro then said James Craig tried to procure witnesses to come testify in court, under oath, to persuade the jury that Angela Craig wanted not only to set him up, but to gain leverage in divorce proceedings — but that ultimately, "Angela Craig accidentally took that too far."

"These three false narratives cannot all be true, and none of them are," Mauro said, adding the jury would have to believe that James Craig "is a reluctant participant" and that he wanted to do it, but that Angela Craig was "hellbent" on taking her own life.

Mauro argued 16 hours is how long James Craig would have given his wife before deciding he would help her kill himself, with his options being either death or divorce.

The prosecutor then laid out three possible motives for why he believed James Craig killed his wife:

1. He wanted out of his marriage — Mauro argued James was tired of getting caught in affairs, of repeating the cycle, but didn't want to get a divorce.
2. Money — Prosecutors said James Craig told one of his romantic partners that he wasn't happy, but he was stuck, and he couldn't get a divorce right now.
3. Image — James Craig didn't want to be the guy who left the mother of his six children to go out and chase other women. Mauro said he believed that the suspect thought it would be much better to be the grieving widower and chase sympathy than the alternative option.

Mauro argued that his defense attorneys were using speculative doubt, not reasonable doubt, to convince the jury he was innocent.

"If there was more new evidence, if they had looked under one other rock that investigators didn't," perhaps the jury would be convinced that the prosecution's argument isn't as strong, but Mauro said not witnesses testified that Angela Craig was suicidal, "because that's not true, that's not the reality."

Mauro then walked the jury through the counts Jame Craig was charged with, except for first-degree murder (Count 1):

  • Count 2: Solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence — That's the deep fake video letter of Angela Craig, claiming that she asked James Craig to order chemicals.
  • Count 3: Solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence — That's asking a fellow inmate to plant fake journal entries in either his garage or truck, which would later make their way to prosecutors or the defense team.
  • Count 4: Solicitation to commit first-degree perjury — That's asking another inmate to find multiple, attractive women to come in and give false testimony about Angela Craig setting him up
  • Count 5: Solicitation to commit first-degree murder — That's asking Nathanial Harris, another inmate, to arrange to have Bobbi Olson (the lead investigator in the case) killed.
  • Count 6: Solicitation to commit first-degree perjury — Asking Harris' ex-wife to help sell James Craig's story by coming into court and "dupe" a jury into believing he was not guilty of the crime.
A seventh count — assisted suicide — is what the jury could find him guilty of if they acquit him on the first-degree murder charge, Mauro said.

Mauro then argued that the defense presenting Angela Craig's journal as evidence in the trial didn't accomplish what they hoped for.

"What it shows is that Angela Craig was an incredibly thoughtful, resilient, and hopeful person — because this guy has been doing this stuff to her apparently since 2009," Mauro said.

He argued that Angela Craig was ready to leave her husband after Christmas 2022, "but what does James Craig do? He talks her into staying," arguing Jame Craig didn't want to suffer the financial and reputational consequences of a divorce.

Mauro argued James Craig's former business partner's announcement that James would have to take a pay cut and work more hours created a situation in James where he felt frustrated, stuck, trapped, hopeless — words he used to describe his marriage to Carrie Hageseth, one of his romantic partners.

"James Craig said he would purge Angela Craig — how would he purge her? By injecting her with something untraceable."

Mauro said after meeting another romantic partner at a work conference in Las Vegas, James Craig comes back home "and gets back to work on his problem" by ordering the arsenic, by searching how to make murder look like a heart attack and make Angela Craig's death look like an accident, "not 'how to talk my wife out of suicide.'"

Mauro argued in court that after ordering the arsenic and preparing his wife a shake laced with the toxin, he goes back to work and starts doing more Google searches about how to commit the murder.

"And then Angela Craig is searching her symptoms," Mauro said. "If you believe James Craig, that's all an act. Angela is deceiving whoever may come across her phone."

Mauro reminded the jury James Craig then went to work, anxious to get oleander and emailing the supplier to make sure it would arrive that morning.

"Remember, if you believe James Craig, he was a reluctant participant," Mauro said. "Is this a man a reluctant part of a super secret suicide pact, or a "man on a mission"?

Mauro then recalled how James Craig told the oleander supplier how disappointed he was his order hadn't shipped.

"This is not a reluctant person," Mauro said, arguing James Craig planned her murder over a course of 10 days — something that was repeatedly said throughout closing arguments.

Mauro walked through several more instances in which James Craig was "a man on a mission" by purchasing 12 bottles of eye drops, email suppliers about his oleander shipment, sending more than a dozen texts to employees about a cyanide package he was expected to receive at his office — all the while telling Angela Craig he loved her and was excited to have her home again. At the same time, James Craig was texting one of his romantic partners, Mauro said.

"There are so many false statements by this defendant, it's tough to keep track," Mauro said, adding that to believe James Craig, "you have to believe that Angela Craig kept an incredibly dark secret — left no evidence whatsoever of this secret, acted completely out of character, deceived everyone. You'd have to believe that suddenly she went 180 degrees from her nature, that Angela Craig was ready, willing, and able to die a slow and painful death... ready to abandon her children."

In closing statements, Mauro said James Craig's false narratives were the result of wanting out of his marriage but not wanting to get a divorce, "and into his lap falls a suddenly and inexplicably suicidal Angela Craig — he must be very lucky, in addition to being very convincing."

In all, Mauro said, James Craig "spent 10 days killing Angela Craig."

"Angela Craig was innocent," he said. "James Craig is guilty."

Defense says James Craig deserves better from "broken perceptions" of law enforcement​

Following a short break, the defense then laid out their closing arguments before the jury, which lasted for about an hour.

Defense attorney Lisa Moses began closing arguments by arguing that the Craig marriage was "a broken" one, despite 23 years of being together.

"There was love in the relationship. Was it perfect? Was it broken? Absolutely. But there was love," Moses said as she began her argument.

Moses argued James Craig "wanted to be better, (he) had anxiety, addiction, and you heard about a man who was completely broken when he was arrested and sitting in jail," claiming the prosecution's motive was two-fold — financial and romantic.

The defense argued that prosecutors believed James Craig murdered his wife because he wanted the payout money from Angela Craig's life insurance policy, while at the same time, he wanted to be with other women after losing interest in his wife.

"The prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this guy was a pretty crappy husband, he cheated on his wife, constantly," Moses said, "but this idea that somehow this was some sort of motive cannot be, when the cheating is nothing new for James Craig," she added, referencing witness testimony from the lead detective in the case, Bobbi Olson, who said Jame Craig's demeanor is that o a flirty guy.

Moses said that after 20-some years of Jame Craig cheating on Angela Craig, "he broke her, he broke her heart, her soul."

The defense then presented several of the entries in Angela Craig's journal in which she talked about feeling lost and lone, abused and unwanted, and like she failed her husband.

Moses argued that the prosecution's argument that James Craig wanted out of the marriage doesn't hold up because after Angela Craig finds out her husband is in Montana with another woman, James "rushes home.... tail between his legs runs home."

"We talked at the beginning about the word "manipulative" — her daughter testified about parental guilt... is this spousal guilt? Is this an example of that type of dynamic?" Moses asked.

The defense then argued that extensive gaps in the surveillance footage obtained by law enforcement do not show what is going between the two in those missing moments.

Moses said nobody saw anything unusual with James Craig while he was at the hospital, nor after he sent pictures to Angela Craig's family after she crashed, and said there was a "rewriting of history" since prosecutors brought witnesses who testified that those things were unusual or weird.

She said behind closed doors, the couple argued and law enforcement "had blinders on — they didn't want to look at other possibilities or options," Moses said.

James Craig "deserves better," Moses said. "We all deserve better. You deserve better than lenses, blinders, and broken perceptions" from law enforcement, she added.

Moses expanded on this argument by recalling testimony from Dr. Kelly Lear, the elected coroner and forensic pathologist for the Arapahoe County Coroner's Office who testified last week.

The defense said the coroner relied on what law enforcement gave her as evidence, and looked at the case "with blinders" before asking the jury to "take the lense off of their narrative, take off the blinders."

Moses said that if James Craig really gave his wife a toxin through an IV at the hospital that ended up killing her, "why walk out and say, 'Her arm hurts?' Why not just sit there and let the buzzers go off and go, 'Oh my goodness!... Why give anyone the heads up?"

The defense then argued the reason James Craig was searching for things like cyanide or eye drops and their toxicity, "was to maybe understand what Angela Craig was doing to herself? Was it to understand what was happening?"

She then argued that there are images of Angela Craig laying in bed with laptops, and questioned why law enforcement never searched those for evidence in the case.

"Why? What were they so afraid of that they couldn't actually look at all of these things?" Moses asked.

The defense argued prosecutors wanted the jury to believe certain things James Craig said while disbelieving other statements.

"They don't get to pick and choose based upon what they want, based upon their blinders, based upon their perception," Moses said.

Showing a photo of the Clindamycin bottle found in Angela's room with the words "Never Tested," Moses said it was "un-be-lievable" that prosecutors believed she was poisoned and that James Craig was the culprit, but never bothered to test the contents of that bottle.

Arguing that their client is innocent, the defense then argued that the bottle shakers in the Craig home were not designated to certain people, so "you don't know who put the tetrahydrozoline in that cup. You don't."

The defense then argued that no one can tell jurors when or how the cyanide or tetrahydrozoline was ingested, adding: "You don't get to guess in this. You don't get to speculate," and argued that prosecutors "have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt how and when" those toxins were were ingested.

The defense then argued James Craig made some "really horrible, awful decisions out of desperation and fear" while in jail, which Moses argued the prosecution wanted to portray as an admission of guilt.

She then asked the jury if they trusted the testimony from one of James Craig's former inmates beyond a reasonable doubt.

Responding to an argument made by prosecutors earlier, Moses said the burden to prove someone's guilty always rests on the prosecution.

"It is not a vague or speculative doubt — it is a doubt that would cause a reasonable person to hesitate," Moses said, as she reference the defense's claim that law enforcement didn't do a good job in their investigation to begin with.

She then asked jurors to consider what they were relying on as they deliberated:

"When you're back there and looking at the instructions — are you relying on speculation? Do you wish you had more from the defense?"

In closing, Moses then asked jurors to "look at the evidence they've provided you and the evidence they have not provided you... and find him not guilty of the murder of Angela Craig."

"He deserves to be found guilty"​

In their rebuttal, prosecutor Ryan Brackley opened his argument by recalling how prosecutor Mauro asked jurors to protect James Craig's right to the presumption of innocence, saying they have never asked the jury to take away that right.

"He deserves a fair trial — his lawyers worked hard," Brackley said. "Now, he deserves to be found guilty."

Reiterating that James Craig is guilt of first-degree murder, "what separates this from second degree murder is intent and deliberation."

"James Craig researched not only where to buy those poisons, but how much was needed to kill Angela Craig."

Arguing that "nobody wants to believe" James Craig or his reasoning for murdering his wife could be so simple, Brackley said detectives went back to both his home and his dentist's office to search for evidence a second time.

"When they searched the home for the first time, they didn't yet know about the Clindamycin, they read that iPhone manifesto the next morning," Brackley said.

Brackley, mentioning the seventh count — assisted suicide — said that other than James Craig's statements, "there is not one shred of evidence was suicidal."

"There's no evidence Angela Craig asked him to order the poisons, no evidence she asked him to research the poisons, no evidence she knowingly ingested poison," Brackley said.

Prosecutors said Angela spent the last 10 days of her life trying to figure out why she was sick, adding James Craig "went into great detail" instructing his daughter on how to make it look like her mother did all of this herself.

"James Craig never said in any letters or the iPhone note that there is real evidence that Angela Craig wanted to kill herself — didn't show where to find it — instead he tried to manufacture it," Brackley said.

Brackley argued what Mauro reiterated over and over earlier in the day — jurors would have to believe Angela made everything up; the texts to family, the Google searches for the poisons to absolve her husband of any guilt.

"You'd have to believe that this woman, who spent the last 10 days fighting for her life, was also spending the last 10 days of her life in this drama that she made up with James Craig," Brackley said. "Why would she do that? What's her motive to do that? So James Craig can go and be with another woman?"

Brackley then went on to note several examples of Angela Craig fighting for her life, including searching for an emergency room on Colfax Avenue as she's on her way to the hospital one last time.

He also talked about a text Angela had sent James, which showed how she was trying to fight for her marriage, despite his infidelities.

"Your healing and happiness, this marriage, is more important than my day. You are more important than my day," the text read, as Brackley explained this was sent at the same time James Craig had already ordered poison and was already talking with Dr. Cain, one of his many romantic partners.

Angela Craig, prosecutors said, never broke her spirit to have hope for James Craig.

"Angela Craig was not broken, her spirit was not broken, we all have issues and struggles, it's hard to raise kids when your husband spends 20 years cheating on you," Brackley said. "But how do you get from there, to suicide?"

He then added, "You know who didn't fight for Angela Craig? — Him," Brackley said, as he pointed at the suspect who was hanging his head at that moment.

The jury was excused and jury deliberations began shortly before 1 p.m.


@Niner -- sorry, no live stream video of closing arguments as expected.
 
  • #180
JC's addiction is mentioned by AC.
How does the church deal with the P-addiction besides cheating on your wife?
Am I remembering correctly that that specific addiction is right up there with murder according to the Mormon Church?


"Craig’s home life was also a disaster. According to Angela’s sister, Toni Kofoed, he was addicted to 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and had cheated on his wife multiple times. She’d repeatedly debated leaving him, but Craig always begged her back."

Counselling. Both by a member of the bishopric and a church approved therapist. Couples therapy, ditto. Commitment to change. If there is no intention to change and persistence of the behaviour, then maybe a hearing leading to excommunication (a court of love).

Nothing in the realm of heartlessly slowly poisoning someone. For which you get a quick excommunication without any muss or fuss if guilty.

Murder is in no way considered a parallel level sin to sex addiction, 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, or adultery. You can have done those things and be a no problems candidate for baptism so long as you're committed to not doing them again. But murder? Anne Perry/Juliet Hulme had to get special permission from the upper echelons of the Church to get baptised when she wanted to join.

MOO
 

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