Found Deceased CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #4

[Bravo]

I have a feeling Moran is going to talk…until the cows come home

Or he hare lips every cow in Texas

 

[Bravo]

Thanks all for updates. Seems I missed another episode of groundhog day. We just got home and both tired but I wanted to see how the day went.

 

[diveguy]

I've watched about 50% of the trial and from everything I've heard, I think the Defense sank themselves in pursuing this theory that Dylan got up that morning, left the house with all his stuff, didn't or call anyone (including his friends who he was desperate to see), climbed many miles up Middle Mountain road, then was attacked and killed by a wild animal. Not only does it sound very implausible, there is no concrete evidence to support it happened.

If they had instead said they had no idea what happened, and that maybe Dylan was attacked and abducted in his own home by someone else, it would have been more believable (and perhaps would have explained the blood evidence).

Mark will be headed to the big house soon. I'm predicting he will be found guilty and receive a sentence of 24 years to life.

 

[Cindizzi]

Mark Redwine trial: Recap of testimony from prosecution, defense | 9news.com

 

[Warwick7]

Thank you everyone for posting!! I couldn't be here today, so reading everything so I can catch up is awesime!!

I take it these last witnesses for the dense were duds.

Well what did they expect to pull off?!

After all MR is the abuser/murderer....

 

[Warwick7]

This is worth repeating:

"Most people tend to turn every light on and make their house a beacon so that a missing person could find their way home whether it’s a spouse or a child," Vreeland said. "Mark turned his lights out at 11pm while we were still out looking for his son, it was odd. Very odd."

 

[LotusPawprint]

Does MR have a relationship with the brother that was mentioned as being with him after Dylan went missing (DS, I believe and iirc he lived somewhere in the Midwest)? In trying to figure out the purpose of the co-worker witness who knew MR for mere months and seemingly had nothing of evidentiary value to add other than a glowing endorsement of MR as a father, it has me wondering why a family member who stayed at his house, saw him in the days/weeks/months after the 'disappearance', and knows him intimately would not be called by the defense. Although maybe I answered my question in asking it -- the brother, having actual information to contribute, might not be such a good character witness.

 

[shotgun09]

Does MR have a relationship with the brother that was mentioned as being with him after Dylan went missing (DS, I believe and iirc he lived somewhere in the Midwest)? In trying to figure out the purpose of the co-worker witness who knew MR for mere months and seemingly had nothing of evidentiary value to add other than a glowing endorsement of MR as a father, it has me wondering why a family member who stayed at his house, saw him in the days/weeks/months after the 'disappearance', and knows him intimately would not be called by the defense. Although maybe I answered my question in asking it -- the brother, having actual information to contribute, might not be such a good character witness.

Quite honestly, I was just thinking about this very thing! Where was his brother? Then as I thought further, I can imagine the brother getting on the stand and just stating how angry MR was at Elaine. This whole sad story evolved over his and her bitter ugly divorce. The judge in court was very specific in not allowing any sordid details of their bitter court battle. The jury was informed that it was contentious...and that was about it. Even Elaine was somewhat stifled during her testimony when it came to the divorce .
During today's attempt with a defense, they tried to sneak in the 'vandalism' and Fear with MR's BFF of 3 months. Judge squashed that fast.
If brother was to get on the stand, there would be little information gathered, because his version would have been MR's tainted twisted hate-filled version.

ETA: Not meant to blame Elaine in this at all.

 

[Teche]

Do you think Moran can do a 2 1/2 hour closing…better yet, do you think we can make it through his 2 1/2 hour closing?

Actually, the prosecution was asking for this extension and the judge agreed. I didn’t hear anything from Moran on it though.

Yes, but can you imagine the wonderful and quite entertaining comments from Websleuthers.

 

[My3Sons]

This is one of very few trials that I watched without knowing much about the case ahead of time. For most of the state's case, I thought he *probably* did it, but there would not be enough evidence to convict. By the time they rested, I was convinced he was guilty, but I could still see where some might have reasonable doubt.

I think this is a case where the defense should have rested without calling any witnesses. Their "throw spaghetti at the wall defense" was a hot mess--did Dylan runaway or get kidnapped or get eaten by a hibernating bear or strip naked on the mountain in November and die of hypothermia? Not only was their case disorganized, confusing, and at times laughable, but the prosecution absolutely slayed every witness in cross. It was only after the defense's case that I truly felt any reasonable doubt--any doubt at all, really--had been eliminated.

I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that MR killed Dylan, and I think the jury will too.

 

[Cindizzi]

Does MR have a relationship with the brother that was mentioned as being with him after Dylan went missing (DS, I believe and iirc he lived somewhere in the Midwest)? In trying to figure out the purpose of the co-worker witness who knew MR for mere months and seemingly had nothing of evidentiary value to add other than a glowing endorsement of MR as a father, it has me wondering why a family member who stayed at his house, saw him in the days/weeks/months after the 'disappearance', and knows him intimately would not be called by the defense. Although maybe I answered my question in asking it -- the brother, having actual information to contribute, might not be such a good character witness.

Remember MR doing interviews with a blonde reporter Melissa B. with KUSA 9News Denver in the beginning? When she asked what their plans were for Thanksgiving, MR said we hadn’t decided if we were going to stay at my house or go to my brothers in Castle Rock. That’s like 20 miles from Monument CO north of Colorado Springs. So if he just had the one brother, he was living in Colorado then. Would explain him being at MR house when the FBI visited . I’ve wondered if they were close then and NOW. Haven’t heard of anyone being at the trial for MR.

 

[Cindizzi]

Just found this article about opening statements ( the day the audio was so bad pretty much all of it was unintelligible). Here’s some remarks Moran made that I wasn’t aware of:


Moran said the photos from “deep within” Redwine’s personal life were unsettling and have been revealed on national television, but he said the troubling photos were not enough to lead a father to kill his son.

Instead, Moran said, Dylan, already alienated from his father, likely left the house as early as he could on Nov. 19. Moran noted Dylan planned to meet a friend at 6:30 a.m. But instead of arriving at his friend’s house he was attacked and killed by animals.

“Mr. Redwine is a flawed individual, but Dylan had agency. Dylan took off,” Moran told the jury.

Evidence from skull central in Mark Redwine trial

 

[katydid23]

We will be here through closing arguments, verdict-watch and verdict announcement. And, maybe afterwards. Like a dog with a bone, can't let go. Happy to have another trial addict onboard.

Since Judge said jury can deliberate Saturdays...
I am predicting the jury will deliberate Friday and part of Saturday, and will have a verdict on Saturday. Anyone else?

I don't think it will be a very long deliberation. Maybe 8 hours or so? I don't think this is a cliff hanger with a lot of reasonable doubt...

HOWEVER, I have no idea what the jury is like. They could be sticklers who find small slivers of possible doubt and glom on to it as proof of innocence---seen it before.

But I think if they are reasonable, logical types, they will see how the puzzle pieces fit together.

The juror questions seemed pretty logical and thoughtful. But there was one that seemed it might bother the defense---they asked one of the defense experts, can't remember which one right now---but the question was ' what made you want to take on this case?'

lmao----were they asking 'what the heck were you thinking? ' The judge said they could not answer it. lol

 

[Cindizzi]

I don't think it will be a very long deliberation. Maybe 8 hours or so? I don't think this is a cliff hanger with a lot of reasonable doubt...

HOWEVER, I have no idea what the jury is like. They could be sticklers who find small slivers of possible doubt and glom on to it as proof of innocence---seen it before.

But I think if they are reasonable, logical types, they will see how the puzzle pieces fit together.

The juror questions seemed pretty logical and thoughtful. But there was one that seemed it might bother the defense---they asked one of the defense experts, can't remember which one right now---but the question was ' what made you want to take on this case?'

lmao----were they asking 'what the heck were you thinking? ' The judge said they could not answer it. lol

Wasn’t that question for the Dutch forensic expert? “Why did you take this case if you had a choice.” lol

I would love to know age and occupations of the Jurors. I snipped this from one of @Niner excellent summaries:

12 jurors & 4 alternates (11 men & 5 women). 1 juror was excused for having a fever (7/8/21). Now 10 men & 5 women on jury. 12 jurors & 3 alternates.

 

[katydid23]

Just found this article about opening statements ( the day the audio was so bad pretty much all of it was unintelligible). Here’s some remarks Moran made that I wasn’t aware of:


Moran said the photos from “deep within” Redwine’s personal life were unsettling and have been revealed on national television, but he said the troubling photos were not enough to lead a father to kill his son.

Instead, Moran said, Dylan, already alienated from his father, likely left the house as early as he could on Nov. 19. Moran noted Dylan planned to meet a friend at 6:30 a.m. But instead of arriving at his friend’s house he was attacked and killed by animals.

“Mr. Redwine is a flawed individual, but Dylan had agency. Dylan took off,” Moran told the jury.

Evidence from skull central in Mark Redwine trial

"Moran noted Dylan planned to meet a friend at 6:30 a.m. But instead of arriving at his friend’s house he was attacked and killed by animals."

I hope the jury took that wording in.
So Dylan planned to meet a friend at 6:30 am? How was he going to do that? Mark had left without Dylan that morning.

This wording is so distorted: instead of arriving at his friend’s house he was attacked and killed by animals."


OK, if Dylan had decided to find his own way to his friends, he wouldn't have gone UP THE MIDDLE MOUNTAIN TRAIL ---he would have gone the other direction, towards the highway into town, where Ryan was waiting for him.

They should have speculated that Dylan tried to hitch hike into town, and never arrived at his friends. That could create reasonable doubt as young boys are sometimes kidnapped.

But the animal thing makes no sense unless we had reason to believe Dylan was hiking alone up that mountain.

 

[katydid23]

Wasn’t that question for the Dutch forensic expert? “Why did you take this case if you had a choice.” lol

I would love to know age and occupations of the Jurors. I snipped this from one of @niners excellent summaries:

12 jurors & 4 alternates (11 men & 5 women). 1 juror was excused for having a fever (7/8/21). Now 10 men & 5 women on jury. 12 jurors & 3 alternates.

I am kind of worried there are so many men. Are any of them going to sympathise with a divorced father, being victimised by his ex?

 

[Cindizzi]

I am kind of worried there are so many men. Are any of them going to sympathise with a divorced father, being victimised by his ex?

OTOH they may relate to having an abusive male in their life growing up. Or seeing a sister or Aunt go through it.

 

[sapphire blue]

Well it’s no surprise that MR chose not to testify, the prosecution would have had a field say with him, no way he would have been able to wriggle out of their crosshairs.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I stepped away from the board 6 years ago, but returned for this trial. The "defense" left my mouth hanging open today. All they had to do was cast reasonable doubt. There was nothing reasonable about a young man leaving the house at 6:30, climbing a mountain which was not in the direction of his friends and getting attacked by some random animal. Especially when his father supposedly tried to wake him up to take him to his friend's house. Ranks in the negatives on the 0-10 scale of "makes any sense at all". Waiting all day to call LE and shutting your lights off at 11 PM when your son is still missing ranks in the negatives as well.

Nothing about MR's timeline and/or actions made any logical sense and it hasn't improved over the years.

 

[Ghostwheel]

For anyone who cares, this is my best guess on the area where Dylan's remains were found. The section of Middle Mtn Rd between Beri Park and Tuckerville gates was closed from 12/1 to 5/31 when this happened. The section above Tuckerville stayed closed until 6/16. The shoe (and other bits) appeared to have been found around the outlet of a culvert that ran under the road (Site 1). This is an approximation based on what I could see in the photos and images I had from the past.

Quite honestly, I don't see that there is that much distance between the two sites as the crow flies. There are several ATV trails in there, so if Dylan had been dropped at a central location near South Bear Creek (like on the south side of the original search base), the bones and shoe could have washed down and the rest moved by scavengers. Since Dylan disappeared on the 19th, two weeks later and the road past Beri Creek was closed for the winter.

Adding some notes that Site one could be off. It could be out at the point of the road just above the marker.