CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #2

[i8mypaint]

Just because I'm still learning, if it says "modsnip" the mod took it out?

 

[vasportsmom]

Put yourself in her shoes assuming a couple of things.

Assume your 13 yo son is missing.
Assume you just sent him to your ex less than 24 hours ago.
Assume you haven't been able to reach your ex or your son.
Assume you really DO believe that he is capable of harming Dylan.
Assume you are dying inside because of what you believe.
Assume a reporter asks you "What do you think happened here?"

I think I would be screaming it from the roof top ... "I think he's capable. I'm afraid he's done something. I KNOW him ... Please help me"

Out of line or not ..

imo

eta .. she could just be a drama queen ... but we don't know that either...

I get it. I'm not saying she isn't entitled to feel the way she does. In her shoes I would be livid and blaming my ex too, if for no other reason than he was the adult in charge at the time. I just don't think that saying those things to a reporter was the right thing to do at this point. A no comment would have sufficed.

Enough people suspected Dad as it was. Mom only added weight to that and now we risk people focusing on a dead child rather than looking for an alive child that may be out there. It isn't in Dylan's best interest to have people assume his dad killed him until we have evidence to support it.

Mom and Dad need to put on an united front but if that isn't possible the very least they could do is be respectful of each others role in Dylan's life and not engage in a media war.


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[nursebeeme]

I'm sitting in a time out chair here trying very hard to not even post on this thread, so as not to be grounded completely.

But if certain comments about dad are not allowed, by goodness judgmental comments about the mom better darn well not be allowed either. MOOOOOOO

this is correct. If you see a post you have concerns with please hit the alert button. (everyone please pay heed)

that being said, there has been way too much family bashing in the last thread and this one as it is... and it is a :nono:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I'll take that reporting for what it is, but no more and no less. IMO it's a vague statement... can they confirm it's his? Where exactly was it found? How far from the water? What condition was it in? Are they absolutely certain it's Dylan's? Is the dad certain that the fishing pole was at the home on Sunday and was missing Monday when Dylan "disappeared"?

Personally it strikes me as odd that such a big piece of evidence like Dylan's fishing pole being found is basically being brushed over, but that's jmo.

I agree... It does seem like a pretty critical clue to be glossed over... As it seems to me...

Maybe dad know this fishing pole of Dylan's was gone because dad had just bought it for Dylan for his visit to dad's...?

Just a couple of thoughts...

 

[nursebeeme]

Just because I'm still learning, if it says "modsnip" the mod took it out?

yes...

 

[i8mypaint]

yes...

Tough job :/

 

[Darcyline]

I find what the mother has been saying totally believable.
I have no idea why some people have a problem with it.
She send her child to his father, now the child is missing.
Either way, the father was in charge of the son so is responsible for his well-being, no?

I think the problem some of us have is investigations like this can be extremely sensitive and her actively accusing him to media can interfere with an investigation. For example, let's say (HYPOTHETICALLY) LE does suspect Dad and wants to make him feel safe and believed so he won't lawyer up and shut down. Media has been very careful to emphasize just how cooperative he has been, how they have done full searches of the house, how it really could be a runaway situation-some of that may be influenced by LE. So, now Dad feels safe, like he got away, and maybe even a bit cocky. Now imagine Mom screaming to media immediately that he basically did it. I would not be surprised at all to hear about Dad lawyering up now.

On the flip side, let's say Dad is innocent. Let's say he was abducted or had an accident or is staying in a friend's basement right now. Mom fingering Dad immediately leads to a lack of focus anywhere else. Hopefully not with LE, but it does not help to have pretty much everyone assuming they know what happened when it may be one of those cases where it isn't what people think. It is ok to have a working theory, but tunnel vision is not always a good thing.

That is my problem, honestly. I understand her pain and grief and I do feel for her and I do believe some of the things she is saying, but I do wish she had kept the accusations especially just for LE and not in the media. I hope that this does not impede the investigation in any way.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Love ya Ransom.... But I agree with TXcharm,here...the dogs did not come in saying... Hey...I have the training to find Missing People... "

They are a wonderful, canine, living, breathing, hard working tools....

If a person is using a pick axe to look for gold... And the pick,axe did not dig up gold.. The person would not say..."The pick axe is wrong...we didn't find any gold!"

and... A/The body could be where the dogs caught scent, supposedly, but conditions made the body hard to find.

and....as humans, we still have some to learn in training our noble canines...

BTW... If you met my dog... You would see that some humans need to learn more than others in how to train dogs... :blushing:

In fact... Our dog has trained US way better than we have trained HER...:beagle: :biglaugh:


sorry... I love dogs... And putting the blame on animals who, by all accounts have no choice in making decisions, pushes my buttons...

Carry on! :seeya:

I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere yesterday that multiple dogs who work with the same human(s) independently alerted somewhere. With no disrespect intended, just as a behavioral scientist, I believe that there is a difference between those multiple alerts and alerts given by multiple dogs who did not work with the same human(s). Again, just from the perspective of studying animal behavior, I think it is possible that there was some element in the training or treatment (includes, but not limited to, handling during the search, eg?) of those dogs that might make it more likely that they would make the same "false positive" than that, say, 3 dogs who'd not shared a trainer or handler would make the same "false positive." None of this is meant with any disrespect or anything else negative AT ALL and I am definitely not an expert in anything related to canines. Just some thoughts I had.

 

[mck16]

Put yourself in her shoes assuming a couple of things.

Assume your 13 yo son is missing.
Assume you just sent him to your ex less than 24 hours ago.
Assume you haven't been able to reach your ex or your son.
Assume you really DO believe that he is capable of harming Dylan.
Assume you are dying inside because of what you believe.Assume a reporter asks you "What do you think happened here?"

I think I would be screaming it from the roof top ... "I think he's capable. I'm afraid he's done something. I KNOW him ... Please help me"

Out of line or not ..

imo


eta .. she could just be a drama queen ... but we don't know that either...

Because of these two points I think if she really believes this her heart is heavy with guilt for making him go. jmo

 

[jjenny]

She didn't "make him go," court ordered it. If she violated court order, she probably would risk losing custody alltogether.

 

[GateKeeper]

I was proud to see that the father isnt going to respond to his ex's accusations about him she has made to the media. Imo, I do think she is making it worse. Both parents need to concentrate solely on finding Dylan. I am sure there are things he knows about his ex also but at least he is not talking disparagingly against her when really this is about finding Dylan whether he is dead or alive.

I also find it odd that this mother has been so adamant that her son is a techy kid and not the outdoorsy type when there is video footage of him having loads of fun barechested on a creek and he looked very comfortable in that environment.

What I think is he most likely stays inside when he is with her and plays games but when he is with his dad he does outdoor activities including fishing.

Imo, he knew his dad would be gone awhile running errands so he thought he could go fishing and be back by the time he returned.

An accident may have happened between leaving his dad's home and the lake where he was going to fish, imo.

I do not suspect any family member of involvement. LE says they are considering the possibility of an abduction or a runaway. That both parents are cooperating.

Now from what I read a postal worker that knows Dylan saw him walking with his backpack on. He could of course been picked up by someone after the sighting since his friends said he had hitch-hiked before this and this person may have turned out to be someone he could not trust. Or he made it to one of the waterways and an accident happened there, imo.

It does show he would get into a vehicle with someone he does not know. I wonder if either parent knew he hitch-hiked before. A lot of times the parents dont know things that their kids do but the kid's friends do.

IMO

BBM

OBE...do you have a link for this info? I saw the same thing,but it was in the HuffPost,and I tend to consider that an "unreliable" source. KWIM
But if it IS good information...it could be an important part of the timeline. eace:

 

[nursebeeme]

BBM

OBE...do you have a link for this info? I saw the same thing,but it was in the HuffPost,and I tend to consider that an "unreliable" source. KWIM
But if it IS good information...it could be an important part of the timeline. eace:

I saw that in a msm article I linked earlier in this thread... it is the one about the text sent to his schoolmates.. let me see if I can bump it up for you

 

[mck16]

She didn't "make him go," court ordered it. If she violated court order, she probably would risk losing custody alltogether.

She could of paid the fine and kept him home. Sorry, but no I don't buy that. It was a standard visitation. Sorry I don't buy that. custody as opposed to him being injured or worse.

 

[DylansMom34]

And maybe mom said some of those things if it is true that Dylan's father is not communicating with her or the older son during this most difficult situation?

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/tril...cle_3856539e-38c7-11e2-a1a5-001a4bcf887a.html

here it is

(seen by postal worker monday afternoon with another boy.. both walking with backpacks but not verified)

 

[jjenny]

I tend to not put much value into the sightings. I presume we all are aware of a whole bunch of false sightings in other cases. For instance, people who were sure that they saw Laci Peterson after she went missing, etc.

 

[DylansMom34]

She could of paid the fine and kept him home. Sorry, but no I don't buy that. It was a standard visitation. Sorry I don't buy that. custody as opposed to him being injured or worse.

I'm sure she didn't have any expectation that her son would wind up missing or worse on this visit.

 

[mck16]

I'm sure she didn't have any expectation that her son would wind up missing or worse on this visit.

I agree I am sure she didn't , but now that it happened, she is not surprised????????? That just doesn't make sense to me. He was either violent or he wasn't. He either didn't treat Dylan good or he did. Guess I am just confused. I will say it again, I would in no way subject my 13 year old son to a man who I didn't trust. jmo

 

[GateKeeper]

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/tril...cle_3856539e-38c7-11e2-a1a5-001a4bcf887a.html

here it is

(seen by postal worker monday afternoon with another boy.. both walking with backpacks but not verified)

Awww thank you Nurse...youre the best!

Ok,so Im thinkin THIS is pretty darn important info. IMO,of course.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...-vigil-tonight-in-Bayfield-for-missing-teen--

very good article