CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #3

[momrids6]

Is there a handy dandy map of the pls, the lake, etc somewhere?

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[scorekeeper]

did i miss kevin on 9 news?

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Dad could have told Dylan they were going to do some fishing while he was visiting and that he bought him a new pole or that his old pole was still there....

LE normally asks if anything is missing (along with the person) and dad may have said, yeah, his fishing pole.....

Just off from here on the subject of the fishing pole, not speaking directly.

Just based on my own experience when my daughter went missing, I'd bet my right arm that it went more like this:

Parent is asked to stay at the house and talk with primary/organizing officer.
They go over and over and over the events. They ask detailed questions. They ask them again.

Periodically someone radios in "we have a red and yellow bike by the creek"

"does you child have a red and yellow bike?"

"no"

"Negative on the bike"

Radio again. "We found a black fishing pole by the lake, does your son have a fishing pole?"

"Yes!"

"Will you go check if it is missing?"

and there you go. I seriously doubt he was like "oh BTW, I happened to check and his pole is missing" UNLESS it was brand new and had been in the living room or something to draw attention to it. For all we know it's one of the things they bought the night before. I have no doubt LE knows, though.

 

[Ransom]

Is there a handy dandy map of the pls, the lake, etc somewhere?

I gave you one. Here is the Lake again
http://www.vallecitolakechamber.com/maps/index.asp

What other kind would you like? I'll try to help.

 

[Portabella]

Considering dad left for his errands at 7:30 am without dropping him off, I don't follow.

Okay, say my son wants me to drop him off at his friends on the north end of our county. I have an appt on the South end. If my appt was for seven in the morning, I would have to be out of here by five thirty to accomplish this and still make my appt. But, If he would not wake up, then I could literally leave one hour later, as it would only take me a half hour to drive directly to my appt. This is just an example to make it easier to understand.

Now, people may say, Whoa what would your son be doing at his friends at six a.m., they would have to have some kind of plans for him to go that early...well normally yes. But not if I have to go to an appt on the South side of the county at Seven, then it would be because that is the only time I could take him, hence the early hour. IMHO

 

[momrids6]

Here you go momrids6...
They are even heart shaped because that's how much I love you about now!

I kept thinking some one else had contacted Sarx- but our hero never arrived...
and I got really really tired of feeling stupid!:what:

 

[vasportsmom]

I wonder if LE knows if messages were left for Dylan on his phone from his friends that morning? Is that possible to know?

His carrier would know if there were any new messages and have access to them.


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[katydid23]

That is an interesting statement by investigators if true.

I don't really get that statement. His route from Colorado Springs to Durango was by commercial airlines. So nothing to retrace there.

The only place that we know that Dylan went was to the grocery store with dad after the airport arrival. Supposedly he went right back to dad's and fell asleep right after that.

 

[jjenny]

Okay, say my son wants me to drop him off at his friends on the north end of our county. I have an appt on the South end. If my appt was for seven in the morning, I would have to be out of here by five thirty to accomplish this and still make my appt. But, If he would not wake up, then I could literally leave one hour later, as it would only take me a half hour to drive directly to my appt. This is just an example to make it easier to understand.

Now, people may say, Whoa what would your son be doing at his friends at six a.m., they would have to have some kind of plans for him to go that early...well normally yes. But not if I have to go to an appt on the South side of the county at Seven, then it would be because that is the only time I could take him, hence the early hour. IMHO

Considering father was back by 11:30 am, using that logic, why didn't he plan to drop him off after his appointments?

 

[jjenny]

Just off from here on the subject of the fishing pole, not speaking directly.

Just based on my own experience when my daughter went missing, I'd bet my right arm that it went more like this:

Parent is asked to stay at the house and talk with primary/organizing officer.
They go over and over and over the events. They ask detailed questions. They ask them again.

Periodically someone radios in "we have a red and yellow bike by the creek"

"does you child have a red and yellow bike?"

"no"

"Negative on the bike"

Radio again. "We found a black fishing pole by the lake, does your son have a fishing pole?"

"Yes!"

"Will you go check if it is missing?"

and there you go. I seriously doubt he was like "oh BTW, I happened to check and his pole is missing" UNLESS it was brand new and had been in the living room or something to draw attention to it. For all we know it's one of the things they bought the night before. I have no doubt LE knows, though.

In that case, why didn't he go and check if the pole was missing? If it actually is missing, where is it?

 

[Portabella]

I don't really get that statement. His route from Colorado Springs to Durango was by commercial airlines. So nothing to retrace there.

The only place that we know that Dylan went was to the grocery store with dad after the airport arrival. Supposedly he went right back to dad's and fell asleep right after that.

I am almost betting he ate out with Dad or they ate before Dylan laid down to go to sleep. I don't know what time he had to catch his flight, but on short hops like that they don't offer any food anymore on planes. So he had to be starved by the time he got there. So I imagine either they ate fast somewhere, or picked up food and brought it home/ate in the car on the ride home. I am sure they will find something to show Dylan was in the car or ate at the house. However, I don't think he would have eaten in the morning. Yes kids eat alot, but if he did venture out on his own, unless he is a morning type, most don't eat right after waking I have found. IMHO

 

[OtherEyes]

did i miss kevin on 9 news?

Yah, it was actually very short. I thought it would be longer. Not really anything new. IIRC, Just what we have heard that dad is cooperating and is not a suspect. That the dad's house was searched today. Dylan is not a run-away. Mr Torres had a brief phone call with the mom and how she is doing about now.

They probably will air it again at 10pm MST. Sometimes Kevin puts it on his facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres

 

[vasportsmom]

Considering father was back by 11:30 am, using that logic, why didn't he plan to drop him off after his appointments?

Maybe he planned to drop him off on his way then pick him up on the way home.


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[TexasCharm]

Just off from here on the subject of the fishing pole, not speaking directly.

<snipped> I seriously doubt he was like "oh BTW, I happened to check and his pole is missing" <snipped>

Oh but he did. .... and went on to seem a bit frustrated that they didn't go to the lake the first day because he told them the pole was missing...

imo

 

[Portabella]

Considering father was back by 11:30 am, using that logic, why didn't he plan to drop him off after his appointments?

I am only guessing here...But I would think because they already arranged the earlier time. When Dad came home he found him gone and assumed he was there already. That to me is disturbing actually, but its the only way I can think of it. Then when he went to pick him up, he was not there. I really wonder if there was a note we don't know about. That would really substantiate what Dad is saying in my opinion. If he left a note that a parent was coming to get him, or that he had a ride that would make Dad feel all was well. I now wonder if there was a note?

 

[WillenFan21]

Bringing my post up thread again:

Also....I don't know if this has been pointed out yet but about his cell phone and the last time it was used. Has it been established WHAT TIME it was he made plans to meet his friends? If his cell phone was last used at 8PM on Sunday which was when the mother said he supposedly arrived then WHEN (as in a time frame) did he make these plans to meet his friends at 6:30AM?

On Nov. 18, Dylan flew here for his first visit with his father since that court decision, Elaine said.
-Dylan texted her Sunday evening to let her know he had arrived and his father had picked him up, she said. That was the last she heard from him, and his phone hasn&#8217;t been used since around 8 p.m. Sunday.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091

 

[SmoothOperator]

THAT ^^^ is what I have always thought, but didnt know how to explain it well. I have always thought that when Dad said he couldn't go over there that night, Dylan said then how about in the morning? And Dad said ' I have an appt at 8, so I'd have to take you early..' OKAY, take me early... So he tells his friends he will be dropped off at 6:30. And remember that one friend said they thought that Dylan's dad was dropping him off, but he never showed up?

Yes IMO this actually "fits" with several issues..I'll explain..

In going with this scenario that Sunday night the plans were changed for Dylan to go to his friends and dad agrees to take him at 630am for the reasons you and Portabella describe above(early morning appts in Durango).. from there according to dad he does attemlt to wake up Dylan so that he can give him that early morning ride to his friends before he's due in Durango for early morning appt and errands.. Dad says that Dylan refused to get up when he tried to wake him(he was out like a light)..and therefor dad piddles around the house and leaves out around 730am to head to Durango..

Dad arrived back home after 11am and there was no sign of Dylan..at some point there after naturally dad would contact the friends(either via phone or driving to their house as its not specified) and when dad asks where is Dylan the friends say he never showed up..

All of these issues now seem to fit as well as make sense..

where things again get murky for me is that when dad got to the friends he says they informed him that Dylan likely hitched a ride and something happened to him from there...

Where and why would these boys have not only stated this opinion to the media..but also Mark Redwine states that when he got to the friends this exact information was told him by these friends as well(ie. Dylan hitched a ride and something happened to him there)...

Why why why would these friends have IMMEDIATELY CONCLUDED this and IMMEDIATELY RELAYED THIS INFO TO DAD??..
below is the link to the quote where dad states this is exactly what he was initially told by Dylan's friends on Monday when he went to them asking where Dylan was..
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22063185

 

[OtherEyes]

Just off from here on the subject of the fishing pole, not speaking directly.

Just based on my own experience when my daughter went missing, I'd bet my right arm that it went more like this:

Parent is asked to stay at the house and talk with primary/organizing officer.
They go over and over and over the events. They ask detailed questions. They ask them again.

Periodically someone radios in "we have a red and yellow bike by the creek"

"does you child have a red and yellow bike?"

"no"

"Negative on the bike"

Radio again. "We found a black fishing pole by the lake, does your son have a fishing pole?"

"Yes!"

"Will you go check if it is missing?"

and there you go. I seriously doubt he was like "oh BTW, I happened to check and his pole is missing" UNLESS it was brand new and had been in the living room or something to draw attention to it. For all we know it's one of the things they bought the night before. I have no doubt LE knows, though.

Thank you for this perspective. That makes sense.
Sorry you had to go through having your daughter missing. I can't even imagine! :hug:

 

[dlc]

If Mom had not said anything about Dad, I wonder if anyone would be leaning that way, if they are? She sure is not helping as far as his image goes.

Besides hoping and praying with all my might that they find Dylan, who has absolutely captured my heart, I am finding many of the peripheral aspects of this case fascinating, albeit puzzling. And this perception of Dylan's mother baffles me.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that Elaine Redwine sent her beautiful, 13-year old son to spend Thanksgiving with his father. It was a trip he did _not_ want to take; a fact confirmed today by Dylan's aunt, with his brother also confirming that he wasn't an outdoorsy kind of kid.

From what I have read, Ms. Redwine has a good job, one in which a healthy sense of responsibility and good interpersonal relationships would be mandatory, and has been employed steadily for years. Further, if her elder son is any indication, she has raised two lovely, well-mannered boys who seem very bonded with her.

So, back to the story: Dylan's mom did what the court said she must do, and put her son on an airplane. Less than two hours after landing, she received a text that was to be her last communication with him (assuming it was indeed written by him).

Dylan's father _chose_ to spend the first day of his son's short visit tending to errands, including visiting his divorce attorney, which was certainly his prerogative. Somehow, some way, however, something happened during the first 24 hours of Dylan's visit to his father, and that beautiful child was disappeared.

And while Dylan's mother and his brother drove up to help in the search, his father _chose_ not to communicate -- not even with his son.

<modsnip>

How sad.

 

[katydid23]

Below is a quote stating that DAD WAS GOING TO GIVE DYLAN RIDE TO FRIENDS BEFORE GOING ON ERRANDS..but that Dylan would not wake up...
This is the first I have seen that the dad actually acknowledged not only k.owing about the early morning plans that Dylan had with his friends, but even more importantly that he intended to give him a ride to his friends...BUT THAT DYLAN WOULD NOT GET UP..

I have always wondered if this is actually true. Or is it something he says now to push back the criticism. I am a bit suspicious, because if it was true, what he is saying, then why didnt he leave a note or leave a message for Dylan, saying this?

If he was so concerned with giving his son a ride to the friends, then why not call him that morning to assure him he was on the way home. We all kn0w how impatient and sulky 13 yr olds can be. If your kid missed his ride, and you had to leave, wouldnt you call and check in at some point, to say you are coming back to get him?