CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #4

[momrids6]

Just a few thoughts, and MOO, pure speculation:

I don't think it that surprising that Dad may have taken the cell phone away. From what I gather of the relationship between Mom and Dad, it was anything but warm and fuzzy. Mom has recently moved Dylan approx. 6 hours away from Dad. Dad had to rely on court order to get visitation with Dylan. I can also imagine, based on comments made by Mom about Dad, that Dad may have been dealing with alienation issues of Dylan toward Dad (by Mom)...again, just my speculation....but she did move him 6 hrs. away. Strained relationships such as this are not uncommon, and unfortunately children can become pawns in such relationships. Given this possibility, I can see Dad taking the cell phone away just as a way to have an uninterrupted visit with his son. As far as the Dad having to run errands on Mon. morning, I don't see that as such a negative issue either. Dad lives by himself, works for a living, is in the middle of recent custody issues, etc. I wouldn't want to expose my son to a conversation with my divorce attorney. And we don't know what other business Dad had to take care of that morning. Evidently it all checked out with LE. I lean towards a scenario where Dylan did leave while Dad was gone. No doubt Dylan would have retrieved his cell before leaving, but it probably wasn't charged. He may have thought he would charge it when he got to where he was going. If he took his backpack with his clothes, what clothing would Dad have had to give to LE for scent purposes? Perhaps they didn't want the bed sheet, if it had just been laundered prior to Dylan's arrival. They knew they could get shoes, or some other more worn article from Mom who was already on her way.

Hope you like candy too- you avoided the dreaded tunnel with this post

 

[AlexisFresca]

I don't know if I am even allowed to say this but I did not get a good feeling when dad said that he tried to wake Dylan and he was "out like a light". Ick. It's not THAT hard to wake a sleeping kid and tell them you are leaving. Maybe he wouldn't get out of bed, but to be out like a light? I don't like the sound of that. I have a hard time believing he would not wake up at all...especially since he was looking forward to hanging out with his friends.

MOO

startling this post with a disclaimer: Am NOT saying his dad did it ...

Thinking of past cases, it has always been found that there was a slight element of truth in some statements given to LE. They just incomplete them. Can't think of specific examples (and don't want to misquote)

So taking a made up scenario:

When did you last see Guido?
I saw him on the couch at 11:47 watching the ballgame
Later it is discovered that indeed, 'I' did see Guido on the couch watching the ballgame. -- After I stabbed him.

 

[cluciano63]

It would have been totally dark by 6pm. At least here in NM, it is by 5:30 or even a little earlier. I returned from our airport at 6:30PM the other night and it looked like midnight.

 

[cluciano63]

It is hard to tell if Dad left out elements of the story (ie returning to get Dylan) or if they are just being reported badly and out of order. As usual, the media is a mess, IMO.

 

[vasportsmom]

Sorry, not sure if this has been posted yet...so many pages...looks like something was updated 5 minutes ago (re: search of father's house)...if so, please delete, thanks.

Investigators search house of Dylan's father
The Durango Herald ‎- 9 minutes ago
The La Plata County Sheriff's Office served a search warrant Thursday morning at the home of Mark Redwine, father of 13-year-old Dylan ...

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129570/-1/s

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

(From above link)

That is the first time I have saw that entire quote and I.DO.NOT.LIKE.


ETA: It is one thing to mix your tenses in these situations, even Mom has did it but that quote by Dad can not be read any way other than "my son is dead".

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[OtherEyes]

Perhaps it would be best if we delivered that invitation personally. I really like you girls so I will take one for the team and book a cross country flight to do it.


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While I sincerely appreciate your great offer, I feel it may be best if someone like myself who is used to the high altitude (former resident of the mile high city) to go and deliver it. I wouldn't want you to get altitude sickness now.

On second thought, you go ahead and go as I can't seem to get my husband to agree to that trip to Colorado for some reason, Geez!:blushing:

 

[AlexisFresca]

I want to see a pic so we can find out what he was wearing. If he wasn't wearing the outfit he was reported as "last seen" in, where is the dirty clothes & why weren't they available for use with the dogs?


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yep! That too!

 

[vasportsmom]

While I sincerely appreciate your great offer, I feel it may be best if someone like myself who is used to the high altitude (former resident of the mile high city) to go and deliver it. I wouldn't want you to get altitude sickness now.

On second thought, you go ahead and go as I can't seem to get my husband to agree to that trip to Colorado for some reason, Geez!:blushing:

Hmm, I suspect my husband may present a problem as well. Men!!


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[princesspjs]

I'm sure I'll come back to pages and pages and pages tomorrow, but I gotta sleep sometime.

Excellent work tonight, sleuths. You all are top drawer. Night.

Woo-hoo the lingerie drawer! hehe

 

[OneLove]

Just a few thoughts, and MOO, pure speculation:

I don't think it that surprising that Dad may have taken the cell phone away. From what I gather of the relationship between Mom and Dad, it was anything but warm and fuzzy. Mom has recently moved Dylan approx. 6 hours away from Dad. Dad had to rely on court order to get visitation with Dylan. I can also imagine, based on comments made by Mom about Dad, that Dad may have been dealing with alienation issues of Dylan toward Dad (by Mom)...again, just my speculation....but she did move him 6 hrs. away. Strained relationships such as this are not uncommon, and unfortunately children can become pawns in such relationships. Given this possibility, I can see Dad taking the cell phone away just as a way to have an uninterrupted visit with his son. As far as the Dad having to run errands on Mon. morning, I don't see that as such a negative issue either. Dad lives by himself, works for a living, is in the middle of recent custody issues, etc. I wouldn't want to expose my son to a conversation with my divorce attorney. And we don't know what other business Dad had to take care of that morning. Evidently it all checked out with LE. I lean towards a scenario where Dylan did leave while Dad was gone. No doubt Dylan would have retrieved his cell before leaving, but it probably wasn't charged. He may have thought he would charge it when he got to where he was going. If he took his backpack with his clothes, what clothing would Dad have had to give to LE for scent purposes? Perhaps they didn't want the bed sheet, if it had just been laundered prior to Dylan's arrival. They knew they could get shoes, or some other more worn article from Mom who was already on her way.

You sure raise some good points. I certainly know up close and personal of the horrible devastation caused by parental alienation. I can see it happening in this case on either OR both sides, unfortunately.

Often in child custody, parents are forbidden to move the child outside of a certain range from the other parent, even if the other parentis noncustodial. that range has been 60 miles in the cases i knew of personally; not sure about Colorado laws. I'm not sure when this mom became the primary custodial parent and why. I'm not sure why permission, either from dad or from family court, was given to move Dylan away. Those would be interesting factors to know.

I also know of a mom who got permission to move a child to another state by promising to not seek child support (so that dad could afford to fly his child for visitations, @ mom's suggestion), then she filed for child support anyway after the move. Fortunately, this father did not have rage and control issues, he just felt betrayed and disappointed. And was broken in spirit the rest of his life.

 

[katydid23]

Hmmmmm, since his friends say Dylan wasn't shy about hitching rides, I'd lean toward believing that, especially in a remote location where about anyone that came along in a vehicle would be known to him. Also, since the wording of the news article was "disappeared after setting out to join friends" (NOT assuming this is true, just hypothesizing), lets just say that MAYBE the night before when Dylan had to change his plans with his friends, he was already at odds with Dad. MAYBE Dylan told his friends if his Dad wouldn't bring him the morning he would hitch a ride, that Dad couldn't stop him from leaving to join them. MAYBE in the morning Dylan got up expecting to get a ride from Dad, who was leaving anyway. MAYBE Dad told Dylan he couldn't spend his little time of visitation off with friends and he expected him to stay home. MAYBE Dylan left the house in a mad huff and headed down the road intending to hitch a ride in (not so likely to be traffic that time of day in that spot). MAYBE someone was enraged enough to go after him to stop him......

Just one of many, many scenarios.....

Interesting you should describe this scenario. When I heard that one of the neighbors saw him walking in the afternoon, at first I thought, Dad's in the clear. But then my mind wandered in similar territory as that above.

I have been thinking all along that Dad and dylan got in a fight over Dylan wanting to go to his friends that night. He may have gotten mouthy with his dad. And Dad may have taken his cell from him in response. And then Dad might have said, I am not giving you a ride tomorrow, you need to wait until I get home and we will talk this through.

So this next am, Dylan doesnt have his cell, so he cannot even call his friends on the land line, because kids have no phone numbers without their cells.

So an angry kid packs up all his stuff and stomps out of the house, planning to find his way to B-town. He is walking in the neighborhood when a neighbor sees him, because he is going by the places of the few people he knows, looking for a ride. Meanwhile dad returns home and finds that D left, against his instructions. Dad goes out to find him and he does...and they argue again...?

 

[Indy Anna]

The alleged sightings of Dylan with another boy is supposedly evidence that Dylan did leave the house on his own, but :

Someone said (IIRC in a video) that everyone in town knows everyone else. If the postal carrier and store clerk who claimed to see Dylan the day he disappeared recognized Dylan, why would they not recognize the other boy? Suppose they did and LE has interviewed the other boy. If the two separated at some point, LE would have a new starting point for their search. Was the other boy from Durango and given a ride from Vallecito? If so, then the driver likely saw Dylan. Was the friend dropped off at MR's house, or was there another meeting point? Did the "witnesses" talk to Dylan? Or, did they just see a boy who resembled Dylan from a distance?

If the sightings have been verified, then there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. But, I don't think they were verified and that's why LE is back at MR's house.

 

[jjenny]

The sightings are not confirmed.

 

[princesspjs]

If I try to make what we know fit together, I end up here:

- Dad agrees to take Dylan to his friends on his way to run his errands.
- Dylan falls asleep early, forgetting to put his phone on charge
-Dad tries to wake Dylan but he won't get up so goes on to town
- Dylan wakes up, finds Dad gone & is ticked.
- Phone is dead (or maybe no service) so Dylan can't call Dad to see when he will be back or call friends.
- Dylan grabs his bag and sets out on his own expecting to catch a ride
- Dylan gets lost or injured, or Dylan gets hit and driver panics or Dylan catches a ride with the wrong person

I think you can say that this is one theory that you can surmise IF you believe what the father has said.

 

[momrids6]

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

(From above link)

That is the first time I have saw that entire quote and I.DO.NOT.LIKE.


ETA: It is one thing to mix your tenses in these situations, even Mom has did it but that quote by Dad can not be read any way other than "my son is dead".

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Problem is- quote is different in another of the same paper's articles! back to the factory...

The ceremony marked the first public appearance by Dylan’s father, Mark Redwine, who was the last to see his son at about 7:30 a.m. Nov. 19. Like many who spoke, he referred to Dylan in both the present tense and the past tense, reflecting the uncertainty everyone feels about Dylan’s fate.

“That boy was my whole world,” he told the crowd. “I would do anything to find him. You don’t know how much I love that boy.”
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121127/NEWS01/121129616/150-people-turn-out-for-Redwine-vigil</b>

 

[margarita25]

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

(From above link)

That is the first time I have saw that entire quote and I.DO.NOT.LIKE.


ETA: It is one thing to mix your tenses in these situations, even Mom has did it but that quote by Dad can not be read any way other than "my son is dead".

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The use of past tense is obvious and interesting, isn't it? There seems to be a lot of that in this case, not just by the dad, as you mentioned.

 

[OtherEyes]

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

(From above link)

That is the first time I have saw that entire quote and I.DO.NOT.LIKE.


ETA: It is one thing to mix your tenses in these situations, even Mom has did it but that quote by Dad can not be read any way other than "my son is dead".

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The video at the 2:17 mark Listen for yourselves...
What in the world?
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121127/NEWS01/121129616/150-people-turn-out-for-Redwine-vigil%3C/b%3E

 

[AlexisFresca]

Sorry, not sure if this has been posted yet...so many pages...looks like something was updated 5 minutes ago (re: search of father's house)...if so, please delete, thanks.

Investigators search house of Dylan's father
The Durango Herald &#8206;- 9 minutes ago
The La Plata County Sheriff's Office served a search warrant Thursday morning at the home of Mark Redwine, father of 13-year-old Dylan ...

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129570/-1/s

I'm confused, why so long for the search? Isn't that standard procedure? Wouldn't an immediate warrant have been filed due to the fact a child could be in danger? I thought there was something like an expedited warrant? Maybe this has already been discussed, sorry.

Some thoughts going through my mind on this (and trying to keep them in order, so I might screw that up a bit unintentionally)

Not knowing what was said in the 911 call to LE by MR, impressions may have been that they were initially dealing with a runaway.

Then I think about ER's comments; her older son tried to text MR to see what was going on and he did not respond

Then we learn a day or two later via media report that calls to MR's phone and landline were going unanswered

Then we finally see a comment from MR via media (grain of salt) where MR says something about 'Don't know why they waited so long to search the lake; told them from day one that Dylan's fishing pole is likely missing'.

That was what, 2-4 days after Dylan disappeared?

Then we learn MR is not getting a lot of support - locally? Why?
Do they not know him well?
If they do, why the lack of support - especially since we are dealing with a missing child?
Were some of ER's implications of his personality true?

Then we learn MR came to the door when a reporter came to talk to him, clutching a pillow (this speaks volumes to me, but I hate tunnels and creepy places due to a current mouse problem where I live BUT I digress).

Meanwhile, two or three days are then spent scouring part of the lake.

OK, but back to clutching the pillow while he answered the door. At that time he stated his brother was flying in for support, he didn't know what to do, etc, etc etc.

SO, that was Tues or Weds night his brother flew in.

NOW LE is searching his property, via a search warrant. Seems maybe the 'tips' they got may have intentionally veered them in the wrong direction to buy time. jmo

ITs very interesting to me that now that his brother is in town, a more intense search of his house has been done. Did his brother fly in to be the go-between between LE and MR? I wonder.

 

[vasportsmom]

I keep rereading that quote from Dad and I'm just sick. I have a really bad sinking feeling. All the effort that went into executing the SW today makes perfect sense to me now.

My first born is 17 today. He's a typical teenager and he has pulled more than 1 stunt where I have wanted to choke him (replacing vodka with water = fail) but I can't imagine ever laying a hand on a child, any child. I will never understand parents killing their children. It shouldn't happen.


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[LotusPawprint]

Okay I think I nodded off during the first half of my virtual trip from Durango airport to Bayfield.... grassy, open fields, green, tree lined, wooded, nothingness.... Lots of side CR's to pull off and go down but I didn't explore down those roads. Someone could probably pull off to the side if they wanted to.
Now I'm on 160(rt?) which is about 35 miles from dad's house and there are a number of businesses right along the road... Just throwing them out there with the possibility they may have cameras or may have employees who would've seen something. Also it looks like a very blue collar industrial stretch of area. Learning today that dad had 2 pickup trucks and possibly a trailer as well maybe he has friends/associates in these shops or industries.

-landscaping&supply
-neighborhood roadhouse
-boat sale and service marine shop
- performance repair shop
- Trailer LLC